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  • #27,741
  • Nov 3, 2011 5:54am Nov 3, 2011 5:54am
Quoting OneLegend
I use Etoro to open and close positions, i have my portfolio there. And Metatrader4 to watch the charts, i don't trade with Meta... I guess that oportunity was a false one? When i open a position in Etoro, the SL is automatic...
sl automatic huh ,
run away from there.


aligater
born to speculate
  • #27,742
  • Nov 3, 2011 6:16am Nov 3, 2011 6:16am
Quoting Gloryrose
Can u share that ind?
the indicator are the same indicator with the Sonic System using, tro tunnel dragon. i only edited the period and the color with meta editor. the credit are for the person who created those indicator.

3 indicator with different period and color, default TF green color(you can use it in any TF), 1 hour TF with blue color, and 4 hour TF with yellow color.
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Going where the money Flow
  • #27,743
  • Nov 3, 2011 8:15am Nov 3, 2011 8:15am
Still Bullish unless 1.37xx broken..

Sonic
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  • #27,744
  • Nov 3, 2011 8:36am Nov 3, 2011 8:36am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Still Bullish unless 1.37xx broken..

Sonic
institutions killing themself


aligater
born to speculate
  • #27,745
  • Edited 10:40am Nov 3, 2011 9:34am | Edited 10:40am
Quoting deadlyhands
I have been silent reader for a long time and admiring what sonic has done for all the trader here, and now i just want to share my little knowledge.

This interesting fact about tunnel dragon and fractal. Tunnel dragon / keltner channel basicallly act as dynamic support or resistance. You can use it in any Time Frame as you wish.
The "secret" of Sonic system are to buy or sell on the pullback after the trend already established.
How we determine the trend are established? You can see it from the tunnel, the steeper the tunnel then its...
hi friend, i guess youre missing the simplicity of this method. the point here as far as ive understand, this method was based on the price action in conjunction with the support and resistance. though we still base our bias of the major trend on higher TF's, PA on or near term on the SR's plays the major role, and nimbleness is also a key. here is my trading plan and setup this morning:
"capitalize short setup down to 1.3662-1.3657, if PA stabs through 1.3657 this could go down to 1.3503. otherwise probability to bounce and target 1.3805."
i hunt this setup mostly on M5 though is a bit aggressive entry to others but i prefer to do this way for minimum risk on SL.
i can see you have more experience than me, but this is how i see this method, so simple and almost naked chart.
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  • #27,746
  • Nov 3, 2011 9:46am Nov 3, 2011 9:46am
Quoting OneLegend
Hi there,

I'm tired of losing real live money with this system, i would like to know why. What i am doing wrong?

http://i39.tinypic.com/e9tct5.png


http://i41.tinypic.com/11hfdeh.png


I've tested this system for 1 month and i started a few days ago in a real account, and i've been blowing my account each day... This example that i showed you, is one of a several failures, is it the system or is it just me?

Hi there,

I can't open your pictures, but that doesn't matter, because I wasn't going to comment on your trade.

I've been losing with this method for few months when I started to trading it. So it's common to lose some at the beginning, but there are few things that you should work on that I think you don't ... :

1) Be patient, read all the thread if you want to make money out of it. It's not a one month job. You'll learn to trade better when you start to read and study the examples. Thanks to sonic's rule, most of the example are with picture, so you can understand them well.

2) You should use higher TF's S&R to detect the best entries.

3) Try to separate normal trades from the good ones and the best ones. and only take the best ones.

4) I believe your money management is very weak. Try not to risk more than 1% of your account if you're a beginner to any method.


Trading is easy, but it's a real hard ass road to pass to reach there. So you will have a hard time learning the ways to make money out of it, but it pays the price ... It takes time and effort. Nothing precious is easy ...

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #27,747
  • Nov 3, 2011 9:55am Nov 3, 2011 9:55am
Quoting aligater
institutions killing themself


aligater
Hi,

what does that mean some explanations pls.

EU is playing S/D level perfectly tonite


Fractal
Follow the smart money. Follow the probability.
  • #27,748
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:05am Nov 3, 2011 10:05am
Quoting Fractal
Hi,

what does that mean some explanations pls.

EU is playing S/D level perfectly tonite


Fractal
extreme volatile + nice s/d play , means killing each other
othrwise we would see a BO as usually happens
today is special.

Cheers
aligater
born to speculate
  • #27,749
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:21am Nov 3, 2011 10:21am
Quoting OneLegend
Hi there,

I'm tired of losing real live money with this system, i would like to know why. What i am doing wrong?

http://i39.tinypic.com/e9tct5.png




I've tested this system for 1 month and i started a few days ago in a real account, and i've been blowing my account each day... This example that i showed you, is one of a several failures, is it the system or is it just me?

1. how were the test result for that month?
2. every good short setup should see bar break down dragon, BUT when bar break down the dragon DOSE NOT mean it's good short set up, you need to understand this logic.
3. read the previous post, to study Wave and S/R, they are key for finding good setup, dragon is just for confirmaion only.
4. until your demo trade is consistantly profitable, do NOT trade real money. consistance means average 75% win rate of at least 30 trades, and overall profitable.
seeing through
  • #27,750
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:24am Nov 3, 2011 10:24am
Quoting Basber
Hi there,

I can't open your pictures, but that doesn't matter, because I wasn't going to comment on your trade.

I've been losing with this method for few months when I started to trading it. So it's common to lose some at the beginning, but there are few things that you should work on that I think you don't ... :

1) Be patient, read all the thread if you want to make money out of it. It's not a one month job. You'll learn to trade better when you start to read and study the examples. Thanks to sonic's rule, most of the example are with picture,...
Nice to see you here master Basber....how's going?
seeing through
  • #27,751
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:36am Nov 3, 2011 10:36am
Quoting traderathome
Hello, my friends.

I have been off-line and away from the computer for some weeks, not trading, and finding this "down time" most refreshing. I am catching up on some other things I have been wanting to do.

I have no scheduled date to return. That may even be put off until after the holidays. But if it is, I might drop in again now and then just to say "Hello."

The Sonic R. System thread is a wonderful place, as it remains in the hands of Sonicdeejay. He is the Master of the method and is knowledgeable of the market. Furthermore, he is...
Hi dear friend,

I hope there is nothing wrong going on with you. It was good to see this post, I was going to PM/Email you about your absence.

Best Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #27,752
  • Edited 10:49am Nov 3, 2011 10:39am | Edited 10:49am
Quoting ddaytrader
I get everything but vouches ... in fact, I often get vouches revoked because I tell it like it is rather than play kissy kissy with those who don't get it ...


... and I do not get VSA either, though I am working on it.
Hi DD,

It's really nice to have you here, you are a bless to this thread. I really hope I can manage to keep on posting here, because I really owe to this place and I want to pay my dues

Edit : What is VSA ?!

Best Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #27,753
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:45am Nov 3, 2011 10:45am
Quoting sonicdeejay
Still Bullish unless 1.37xx broken..

Sonic
Hi dear Sonic,

I hope everything's fine with you and your family ...

It's good to see you still puting time to help other traders ...


I consider myself "back from dead" !! Let's see how long this time I can visit here constantly. I've been very busy lately, like always Now I'm managing an account for a private bank for few months, so I don't have much free time like long time ago. But I really enjoy posting here. Let's see that how can I manage both

Best Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #27,754
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:47am Nov 3, 2011 10:47am
Quoting pipphunter
Nice to see you here master Basber....how's going?
Hi dear pipphunter,

Thanks for your post. Everything's is going quite fine. It's good to see you here again

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #27,755
  • Nov 3, 2011 1:13pm Nov 3, 2011 1:13pm
I got killed today. I am still learning this system. I won't stop until I get that feel. The feel for the market.

I think what I learned on that trade is not to trade on the first wave or first leg.
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  • #27,756
  • Nov 3, 2011 3:04pm Nov 3, 2011 3:04pm
Quoting Flamegs23
I got killed today. I am still learning this system. I won't stop until I get that feel. The feel for the market.

I think what I learned on that trade is not to trade on the first wave or first leg.
You should trade the first wave, but you shouldn't trade the first leg, because in the first leg, like your trade, wave doesn't have formed yet. Specially when the last high was broken. See the pic ..

Regards,
Basber
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  • #27,757
  • Edited 5:38pm Nov 3, 2011 5:06pm | Edited 5:38pm
Quoting sonicdeejay
Still Bullish unless 1.37xx broken..

Sonic
Apart from the lil-over done retracement.. The price goes back up just t way I like it.

Btw,,NFP today,,careful..

Sonic
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  • #27,758
  • Nov 3, 2011 10:01pm Nov 3, 2011 10:01pm
Quoting hunter101
Buy EU, let the market decide.

Edit: Trailing 30 pips. Wont have internet access until 15 hours........
Hmm, weird. My MT4 platform says i made 35 pips while my Oanda demo says i made 72... Both trailed at 30 pips too... Hmmmm.....

Also becareful with NFP, market haywire. Im sitting out on this one, unless theres a retrace (non sonicR trade, unless theres volume to indicate such). Trying to trad NFP= gambling, something im against, rather invest to live not live to invest!
  • #27,759
  • Nov 4, 2011 12:43am Nov 4, 2011 12:43am
Quoting Basber
You should trade the first wave, but you shouldn't trade the first leg, because in the first leg, like your trade, wave doesn't have formed yet. Specially when the last high was broken. See the pic ..

Regards,
Basber
Thank you.
  • #27,760
  • Nov 4, 2011 1:59am Nov 4, 2011 1:59am
Quoting alrightfrank
hi friend, i guess youre missing the simplicity of this method. the point here as far as ive understand, this method was based on the price action in conjunction with the support and resistance. though we still base our bias of the major trend on higher TF's, PA on or near term on the SR's plays the major role, and nimbleness is also a key.
i hunt this setup mostly on M5 though is a bit aggressive entry to others but i prefer to do this way for minimum risk on SL.
i can see you have more experience than me, but this is how i see this method, so...
Yeah I do agree with you, higher TF tunnel just give you and idea of the potential S/R (supply and demand) area so we can tune our trading idea accordingly. Sometimes we cant understand the market only just looking the chart naked, thats why people using tool to help them understand the market (supply and demand) better.
I post the image of today charts, price are trapped in consolidation (conflict of interest) area, eventhough you can see the 1H TF (blue tunnel) already showing bullish trend by ascending stairs and breached the yellow tunnel 4H, but 4H still showing light bearish bias, the red median line from 4H TF seem still have alot of supply in there.
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