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  • #2,061
  • Edited 10:11am Nov 1, 2011 10:10am | Edited 10:11am
Quoting Gorbi777
Hi Guys

I would like to share with you, my new improvement to Eval system.
At beginning i would like to thanks Eval for showing us his great concept and his big efforts to make it better and better. I don't want to change his system, i just want to help us together to build something better and much simple.

Ok let me explain... I found very good indicator, which in my opinion suits perfect to this system, and what is the best that we can change all this 3 indicators for this one. It shows very nice were is potentially reversal point, what is...
Hi Gorbi.

Is this still working good for you?
Is your winning percentage still the same?
How many trades have you done?
What pairs are you trading?
What time frame are you trading (I couldn't read the text on your pics)
What sessions do you trade?

Thanks for this, I look forward to trying it.

cheers
  • #2,062
  • Nov 1, 2011 12:18pm Nov 1, 2011 12:18pm
Quoting Gorbi777
Hi Guys

I would like to share with you, my new improvement to Eval system.
At beginning i would like to thanks Eval for showing us his great concept and his big efforts to make it better and better. I don't want to change his system, i just want to help us together to build something better and much simple.

Ok let me explain... I found very good indicator, which in my opinion suits perfect to this system, and what is the best that we can change all this 3 indicators for this one. It shows very nice were is potentially reversal point, what...
I saw from you second screenshot where the trendwave giving too many false signal I guessed. Correct me If Im wrong.

But as a trader that using the cycle Identifier for quiet sometimes now and the trendwave has nothing compare to Cycle Identifier.

I guess you might be wrong in using Cycle identifier.
Cycle Identifier is not an indicator that pointing a BUY/SELL signal but giving you a direction whether BUY/SELL. As for that reason, you need another indicator to give you BUY/SELL entry. As what I said in my previous post, once the Cycle Identifier identified Bearish or Bullish market, then you need another indicator to trigger BUY/SELL entry.

Hope this will help
  • #2,063
  • Nov 1, 2011 1:43pm Nov 1, 2011 1:43pm
If you got spooked out of the first long entry in the eurusd or had a small stop, (first vertical line), you had another chance to reenter at the second vertical line.

If you had been long at the second vertical line you would have seen prices pulling back at the red arrow and you may have been wondering if you were going to get stopped out again. Having pivot points on the chart can help you stay in the trade on a pullback.

There was a mid point pivot right around the buy area. That pivot area was minor resistance that when broken is now serving as minor support. So you would know to wait to see if prices rebound from that mid point pivot.

Also, there was a red extreme cycle identifier around that area at the time. So you would have to think that if prices rebound from that area, you would need to stay in the trade and ignore the red extreme cycle identifier.

See how prices behave at or near the pivot areas? Knowing where they are may help you to manage your trades more effectively.
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  • #2,064
  • Nov 1, 2011 2:05pm Nov 1, 2011 2:05pm
This is my first post for this thread, I have conducted a backtest research with the rules and templates posted by Evaluator at #1 post. Back test is GU, 5M, 4 days period from 2010.01.10-2010.01.14. Losing around 20% in 4 days (8 trades).
More information are documented along with pictures showing the indicators at each stage of trade (since the indicator repaints).

I have spent some hours working on this research, and would greatly appreciate any comments and questions.

I will continue to work on more backtest, will wait to see how the replies go first. Any suggestions on further backtests are also welcome!
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  • #2,065
  • Nov 1, 2011 2:23pm Nov 1, 2011 2:23pm
After conducting the research I have an insight. It seemed like the order in which the 4 indicator appears may have a differene in the trade. So far, I look for a colored spike, then wait for the other indicators to point at the same direction.

It seemed to me to make sense letting the trend indicator to go first and then later wait for the spike and other indicators to appear. That way, it makes more logical sense as we are trading on the swings based on the trend.
  • #2,066
  • Nov 1, 2011 3:24pm Nov 1, 2011 3:24pm
Quoting johnjwong
This is my first post for this thread, I have conducted a backtest research with the rules and templates posted by Evaluator at #1 post. Back test is GU, 5M, 4 days period from 2010.01.10-2010.01.14. Losing around 20% in 4 days (8 trades).
More information are documented along with pictures showing the indicators at each stage of trade (since the indicator repaints).

I have spent some hours working on this research, and would greatly appreciate any comments and questions.

I will continue to work on more backtest, will wait to see how the replies...
Great research there johnwong......thanks for taking the time to do this and for sharing your results with us.

A couple if issues as I see them.....may not be correct, but this is how I see them.

Firstly, I keep on saying the same thing, but people seem to ignore this piece of advice......Do NOT trade against the trend. When you have a lot of experience with watching PA and you know a lot about candles, candle formations, pivots, fibs, s/r area's etc, then, and only then, will you have a chance of 'swimming against the current'. If you try to swim upstream without knowing these things, you WILL drown.

You do not HAVE to trade just because the market is open. The number on rule in this business is to 'Protect Your Capital'.

Second point is that for me, the Supertrend indi is just too slow sometimes, and by the time it agrees with the other indies, the move is nearly finished and you end up getting stopped out. Later today I will post my Arrow indi and I would suggest that you demo with that instead of Supertrend for a while and see how it goes for you.

Third point, and this is just my preference so take it for what it's worth, the Stochastic Oscillator is worth it's weight in gold.......it will give you a very good idea as to whether you are entering at the right place and time. If you look back on a few of my charts you will see what I mean.

You are correct in in that you have identified an order to the indies.......the market loves order! For me.....my order, without exception is:

1. Extreme Spike
2. Stochastic
3. Goldminer
4. Bulls Bears indi
5. Arrow

If all 5 agree, and they agree in that order, then I will enter the trade at the close of the candle that spawned the arrow. When the candle closes, the arrow will NOT repaint.

If I don't see the above sequence, then I will wait for another opportunity.

This works for me 80% + of the time.....but nothing is foolproof, I still get stopped out occasionally......but I set my stops a bit more dynamically that the hard rule of -50, so for me, the damage is not quite so bad.

Hope this helps

RJ
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,067
  • Nov 1, 2011 3:37pm Nov 1, 2011 3:37pm
Quoting realjumper
Great research there johnwong......thanks for taking the time to do this and for sharing your results with us.

A couple if issues as I see them.....may not be correct, but this is how I see them.

Firstly, I keep on saying the same thing, but people seem to ignore this piece of advice......Do NOT trade against the trend. When you have a lot of experience with watching PA and you know a lot about candles, candle formations, pivots, fibs, s/r area's etc, then, and only then, will you have a chance of 'swimming against the current'. If you try to...
Hi Realjumper,

Thanks for replying. I noticed the problem with how supertrend indi seemed to lag too much. Will wait for your arrow indi and I'll do more backtestings with different pairs and time frame. Would it be possible if you can attach the template for ur complete system so we are on the same page in terms of all indicator settings.
  • #2,068
  • Nov 1, 2011 3:42pm Nov 1, 2011 3:42pm
Quoting johnjwong
Hi Realjumper,

Thanks for replying. I noticed the problem with how supertrend indi seemed to lag too much. Will wait for your arrow indi and I'll do more backtestings with different pairs and time frame. Would it be possible if you can attach the template for ur complete system so we are on the same page in terms of all indicator settings.
Yep......I'll do it later today
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,069
  • Nov 1, 2011 3:46pm Nov 1, 2011 3:46pm
Quoting realjumper
Great research there johnwong......thanks for taking the time to do this and for sharing your results with us.

A couple if issues as I see them.....may not be correct, but this is how I see them.

Firstly, I keep on saying the same thing, but people seem to ignore this piece of advice......Do NOT trade against the trend. When you have a lot of experience with watching PA and you know a lot about candles, candle formations, pivots, fibs, s/r area's etc, then, and only then, will you have a chance of 'swimming against the current'. If you try...
And hopefully this week we will all have that arrow so that we can all be pointing in the same direction.
  • #2,070
  • Nov 1, 2011 4:24pm Nov 1, 2011 4:24pm
Quoting realjumper
Yep......I'll do it later today
Perfect ! . . . in my vacation week, cant wait for test it
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  • #2,071
  • Nov 1, 2011 5:43pm Nov 1, 2011 5:43pm
This is a report of several trades in the above period for EU 5M. Loosing around $1000 (10% of equity) in 7 trades.

I can not agree more that RJ is right, the original symphonie trendline indicator is too slow. Many times, if not, everytime, trend begin to change again after the trendline indicator confirmation.

Also during strong trends, if the initial entry was missed, it seemed to be hard to have another extreme spike that supports a reentry. In strong trend, most extreme spikes will support a counter trend. I believe you have pointed that out RJ as u have separate rules (aside from spikes indicator) for reentering a strong trend.

Moreover, using 5M chart and only 7 trades during 4 trading days? Even an EA will quit their job.

Of course, this is only a small sample to make any conclusion but these are just observation I had during the small period of backtests.

Waiting for your indi RJ.
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  • #2,072
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:17pm Nov 1, 2011 6:17pm
I was going to write a PDF about this, but I haven't had time, and I think there are enough posts of mine here for you all to be able to figure this out.

Please demo this and read back on my posts before asking me questions. I don't mind questions, but I do mind answering the same question over and over because the poster is too lazy to look back on the posts to find the answer.

So attached in the zip file is all the indies and the template plus a quick screenshot to show you what you should expect to see.

RJ
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Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,073
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:20pm Nov 1, 2011 6:20pm
Quoting realjumper
I was going to write a PDF about this, but I haven't had time, and I think there are enough posts of mine here for you all to be able to figure this out.

Please demo this and read back on my posts before asking me questions. I don't mind questions, but I do mind answering the same question over and over because the poster is too lazy to look back on the posts to find the answer.

So attached in the zip file is all the indies and the template plus a quick screenshot to show you what you should expect to see.

RJ
Thanks RJ, time for some hardcore backtests
  • #2,074
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:29pm Nov 1, 2011 6:29pm
Quoting johnjwong
Thanks RJ, time for some hardcore backtests
No problem
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,075
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:36pm Nov 1, 2011 6:36pm
Thanks RJ, is it too much to ask for .mq4 file ?
  • #2,076
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:37pm Nov 1, 2011 6:37pm
Quoting realjumper
I was going to write a PDF about this, but I haven't had time, and I think there are enough posts of mine here for you all to be able to figure this out.

Please demo this and read back on my posts before asking me questions. I don't mind questions, but I do mind answering the same question over and over because the poster is too lazy to look back on the posts to find the answer.

So attached in the zip file is all the indies and the template plus a quick screenshot to show you what you should expect to see.

RJ
Thanks RJ!
Wait for your post a long time.
I'll test it immediatetly
  • #2,077
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:48pm Nov 1, 2011 6:48pm
Quoting ttaro27
Thanks RJ, is it too much to ask for .mq4 file ?
For the arrow indi? No, sorry.....it isn't available. I didn't create the arrow indi, I just use it. I can't tell you much about it because I might get into trouble.....just use it and enjoy
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #2,078
  • Nov 1, 2011 6:50pm Nov 1, 2011 6:50pm
Quoting realjumper
For the arrow indi? No, sorry.....it isn't available. I didn't create the arrow indi, I just use it. I can't tell you much about it because I might get into trouble.....just use it and enjoy
Ok
  • #2,079
  • Nov 1, 2011 7:01pm Nov 1, 2011 7:01pm
The arrow indicator is the same as golden finger adjust to 6. So for the ones who would like to have the code and be able to adjust it, look for golden finger. The bad thing with golden finger is that it has no alarm on it.
  • #2,080
  • Nov 1, 2011 7:06pm Nov 1, 2011 7:06pm
Quoting realjumper

So attached in the zip file is all the indies and the template plus a quick screenshot to show you what you should expect to see.

RJ
Patience pays, especially in this market!

Cheers, Mate
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