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  • #1,581
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:25am Oct 18, 2011 8:25am
Quoting LuisPrinc
So this means that you could make everyday about 100 pips on 5 m timeframe with the use of simpfony system ?
Eval said previosly that we should enter the trade on 5 min tf if on the 15min tf the price is above the trendline, so it is a must rule now ?
For better use of system we should define market conditions to use of other timeframe for better results, because we have problems when to exit on 5 min Tf cuz a lot of extreme spikes signals are occuring...
Maybe If we see an extreme spike on 1h chart we could enter on 15m tf, this will give...
hypothetical, yes (see, pic)
But the problem is, that you never know if the extreme spike is the real one. you know that if a new high/low occure the extreme spike will be calculated and the old one disappears.
i have to look into code at which point the spike holds forever.

you are also right that if you trade in a specific TF that it is better to look into a higher TF for confirmation. but it is not a must. this system is in its glance a countertrend system, too.

Mediator
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  • #1,582
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:31am Oct 18, 2011 8:31am
Quoting Evaluator
LuisPrinc,

i never guarrantee you make 100 pip a day....that is not true. it depends on your skills as a trader.

i have said that; i believe Symphonie System will improve your trading skills and make you a more successful trader.

to claim you will make 100 pips a day is something a lying retail EA seller would do. i will not make that claim because i try to be honest and open about my system.

as to my post #1552; it is not a rule...


No I didn`t mean that you guarantee, I asked because of a research of Mediator that shows the minimum cycle on 5 min is 110 pips...Does this helps us ?
The rule on 5 min is that price must be above 15 m trendline ?
Edit: Maybe if we should protect us somehow from being hit our sl-50, that will be a lot of improvement !!!
  • #1,583
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:36am Oct 18, 2011 8:36am
Quoting Mediator
hypothetical, yes (see, pic)
But the problem is, that you never know if the extreme spike is the real one. you know that if a new high/low occure the extreme spike will be calculated and the old one disappears.
i have to look into code at which point the spike holds forever.

you are also right that if you trade in a specific TF that it is better to look into a higher TF for confirmation. but it is not a must. this system is in its glance a countertrend system, too.

Mediator
just becareful not to fall into the extreme indikator trap where one just looks at the extreme indikator.

the extreme indikator is just a marker to tell one that a top MAYBE forming and to begin looking at the other indikators for confirmation.

remember this is a total system of 4 indikators not 1,2 or even 3....it must be all 4 in agreement.

the Symphonie System is designed not to get you in at the very top or bottom but to catch the bulk of a movement so one can reap the big pips not the small ones at the tops and bottoms.

so remember, do not fall into the one indikator tells all trap. you will loose if you do that.

eval.
  • #1,584
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:36am Oct 18, 2011 8:36am
maybe there is someone who could code a MTF SYMPHONIE EXTREME CYCLE-INDI ...
so that we can take the signals in the TF M 15 directly to the TF M 5 ...
  • #1,585
  • Edited 9:38am Oct 18, 2011 8:54am | Edited 9:38am
Quoting Evaluator
just becareful not to fall into the extreme indikator trap where one just looks at the extreme indikator.

the extreme indikator is just a marker to tell one that a top MAYBE forming and to begin looking at the other indikators for confirmation.

remember this is a total system of 4 indikators not 1,2 or even 3....it must be all 4 in agreement.

the Symphonie System is designed not to get you in at the very top or bottom but to catch the bulk of a movement so one can reap the big pips not the small ones at the tops and bottoms.

so...
you are totally right.

i'm trading a long time with oscillators and this is the same problem. only when osci is in overbought/oversold territory means not that price will turn around immedially. the mix of lagging indicators is a must. with your system the other 3 indies is a must to survive.

with my research i only wanted to know what could be hypothetical gained per move
  • #1,586
  • Oct 18, 2011 10:06am Oct 18, 2011 10:06am
Heey Guys ! I read all the pages so i know all about this and I`m testing it... I see that it works !!! I`m asking just to get more advanced about this system.
I`m testing with TDI indicator when green line crosses the yellow, and stochastic for early entry...maybe it will work.

Eval could you post on the end of every day the trade results with entry and exits ? Today any trades you made ?
This will be good for us I think !
So we can analize every day every trade.

Thanks !
Luis
  • #1,587
  • Oct 18, 2011 12:19pm Oct 18, 2011 12:19pm
Quoting LuisPrinc
Heey Guys ! I read all the pages so i know all about this and I`m testing it... I see that it works !!! I`m asking just to get more advanced about this system.
I`m testing with TDI indicator when green line crosses the yellow, and stochastic for early entry...maybe it will work.

Eval could you post on the end of every day the trade results with entry and exits ? Today any trades you made ?
This will be good for us I think !
So we can analize every day every trade.

Thanks !
Luis

LuisPrinc,

if you read all the posts then you will see i do post all the results on each trade for example post #1549. now look.....there is the original post and updates until a final update as the order moves to completion on price action. if you look closely you see entry price what strategy i am using and the exit points.

eval.
  • #1,588
  • Oct 18, 2011 12:37pm Oct 18, 2011 12:37pm
Quoting Mediator
Now it's time to contribute in this system.

firstly i want to thank Eval for his great system.

Today i made some cycle analysis. . .
Good analysis, but Im afraid that you have focused in a sole Indi (cycle) and not in the overall system, any way thanks, good information.
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  • #1,589
  • Oct 18, 2011 4:26pm Oct 18, 2011 4:26pm
I opened a trade on EURUSD M5. Price action on M15 is below trendline.

But some minutes after I opened the trade, an extreme spike is appears.

What can I do? Have I to close the trade even in a small loss or extreme spike is used only to close the trade in profit?


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  • #1,590
  • Oct 18, 2011 4:40pm Oct 18, 2011 4:40pm
Quoting plig
I opened a trade on EURUSD M5. Price action on M15 is below trendline.

But some minutes after I opened the trade, an extreme spike is appears.

What can I do? Have I to close the trade even in a small loss or extreme spike is used only to close the trade in profit?

I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you that now isn't a good time to be trading. Only the Australian and New Zealand markets are open, and mostly, this means the markets will be quiet at best, or skittish at worst. Asian market opens in about 2 1/2 hours time, which might might provide better opportunities. Right now is not a time when I would consider trading.
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  • #1,591
  • Oct 18, 2011 4:46pm Oct 18, 2011 4:46pm
Quoting realjumper
I can't tell you what to do, but I can tell you that now isn't a good time to be trading. Only the Australian and New Zealand markets are open, and mostly, this means the markets will be quiet at best, or skittish at worst. Asian market opens in about 2 1/2 hours time, which might might provide better opportunities. Right now is not a time when I would consider trading.

This is exactly the question that I would ask. But you answer before my question, great :-)

I remember that Eval says that this system can be traded in every time... but European and US session could be better... I think...


I have heard about an EA. Is it available for testing purpose?
  • #1,592
  • Oct 18, 2011 4:54pm Oct 18, 2011 4:54pm
Quoting plig
This is exactly the question that I would ask. But you answer before my question, great :-)

I remember that Eval says that this system can be traded in every time... but European and US session could be better... I think...


I have heard about an EA. Is it available for testing purpose?
For what it's worth......I use this time now, to reviews what happened over the past 12 hours and read some news etc. When Tokyo market opens, I am ready to trade. Generally speaking, any trade opportunities in the Asian market will present themselves in the first 3-4 hours. If, after 4 hours I have not entered a trade, I will now forget about trading until the Frankfurt open and London open. Then I will do the same....trade for 3 or 4 hours and that's it for my trading day! USA session is out of my range, but I still make good pips.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #1,593
  • Oct 18, 2011 5:20pm Oct 18, 2011 5:20pm
Realjumper, thanks for your answers
  • #1,594
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:52pm Oct 18, 2011 8:52pm
I have added another indi to the system so I thought I'd share a few charts with you. The indi I will make available soon......but let me post a few charts first ok?

Here is the first one from yesterday, which netter +109

1. Extreme spike (get ready to short)
2. Stochastic dropping
3. Red
4. Red
5. Triggerlines Red
6. Supertrend Red
7. New Indi Red

How many more do you need before you pull the trigger?!?!?!
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  • #1,595
  • Oct 18, 2011 8:58pm Oct 18, 2011 8:58pm
Quoting realjumper
I have added another indi to the system so I thought I'd share a few charts with you. The indi I will make available soon......but let me post a few charts first ok?

Here is the first one from yesterday, which netter +109

1. Extreme spike (get ready to short)
2. Stochastic dropping
3. Red
4. Red
5. Triggerlines Red
6. Supertrend Red
7. New Indi Red

How many more do you need before you pull the trigger?!?!?!
I will stick to 1,2,3,4 & 7 of what you have listed.

Cheers, Mate!

Victor
福 子 Victor V
  • #1,596
  • Oct 18, 2011 9:01pm Oct 18, 2011 9:01pm
Quoting camvcvoo
I will stick to 1,2,3,4 & 7 of what you have listed.

Cheers, Mate!

Victor
Yep...you can do that......I keep triggerlines on the chart because it sometimes gets me in earlier....but to each his own. Another chart in a moment
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #1,597
  • Oct 18, 2011 9:04pm Oct 18, 2011 9:04pm
Quoting realjumper
Yep...you can do that......I keep triggerlines on the chart because it sometimes gets me in earlier....but to each his own. Another chart in a moment
Ok Ok, what are the "fractal" settings.
  • #1,598
  • Oct 18, 2011 9:05pm Oct 18, 2011 9:05pm
Have also noticed that if extreme spike occurs together with extreme levels (>80 or <20) of Stoch, the signal is stronger. I took quite a few trades (without waiting for confirmation from the rest of the indis) and had acceptable pips.

Please note that those trades were just plain gambles, not complying with rules in Post #1.
福 子 Victor V
  • #1,599
  • Oct 18, 2011 9:05pm Oct 18, 2011 9:05pm
Here's a trade that I didn't take from the past USA session. As most of you know, I am asleep during that session but I certainly would have taken this.

1. Extreme spike
2. Stochastic climbing
3. Blue
4. Blue
5. Triggerlines Green
6. Supertrend Green
7. New Indi Yellow (Buy)
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  • #1,600
  • Oct 18, 2011 9:06pm Oct 18, 2011 9:06pm
Quoting realjumper
I have added another indi to the system so I thought I'd share a few charts with you. The indi I will make available soon......but let me post a few charts first ok?

Here is the first one from yesterday, which netter +109

1. Extreme spike (get ready to short)
2. Stochastic dropping
3. Red
4. Red
5. Triggerlines Red
6. Supertrend Red
7. New Indi Red

How many more do you need before you pull the trigger?!?!?!

realjumper,

interesting! the suspence is killing me; to get the secret ingredient and ''evaluate'' it. :nerd:

eval.
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