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  • #1,501
  • Oct 14, 2011 6:59am Oct 14, 2011 6:59am
Hi.

I'm following the thread from it's start.

This week I started the system on a demo account of 1.000 USD so I use 0.1 lots.

For the moment, I have three profit target trade.

Thanks a lot. See you
  • #1,502
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:06am Oct 14, 2011 7:06am
Quoting Evaluator
Mrsaini,

Thank you for your complement. I hope you find Symphonie improve your trading.

eval
Dear Evaluator,

Would you please help me with the settings for 30M chart

Thanks
  • #1,503
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:15am Oct 14, 2011 7:15am
Quoting Mrsaini
Dear Evaluator,

Would you please help me with the settings for 30M chart

Thanks

I would use preset default settings from indikator on post#1
  • #1,504
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:25am Oct 14, 2011 7:25am
Quoting plig
Hi.

I'm following the thread from it's start.

This week I started the system on a demo account of 1.000 USD so I use 0.1 lots.

For the moment, I have three profit target trade.

Thanks a lot. See you
plig,

congratulations on success.

eval.
  • #1,505
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:34am Oct 14, 2011 7:34am
Hi, Eval, do you think this strategy could be convert in an EA or there are some locking points ? It can be interesting to contact Stevehopwood to make this job.
Chris.
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  • #1,506
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:42am Oct 14, 2011 7:42am
I still do not understand even one aspect. You have made 323 trades in four weeks, which means they are about 16 trades per day.
if we know that there are approximately 2-3 M5 trades per day, which M30 only one or sometimes none . . . how you may take 16 trades in a day?
Are you running multiple lots per transaction? May be are you running more pairs at same time? or are there some in your money management rules that I´m missing?
Excuse me for insisting on the same question #1160 and answer in #1189 is not clear to me.
I appreciate your kind explanation that greatly validate the report.
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  • #1,507
  • Oct 14, 2011 7:54am Oct 14, 2011 7:54am
Quoting jusiur
I still do not understand even one aspect. You have made 323 trades in four weeks, which means they are about 16 trades per day.
if we know that there are approximately 2-3 M5 trades per day, which M30 only one or sometimes none . . . how you may take 16 trades in a day?
Are you running multiple lots per transaction? May be are you running more pairs at same time? or are there some in your money management rules that I´m missing?
Excuse me for insisting on the same question #1160...
jusiur,

do not get so hung up on the number of trades. there is a reasonable explaination for that and i did explain it to you earlier.

i am running alot of mini trades to test different suggestions and systems and they are being traded in multiple timeframes but all in eurusd. so based on some criterea i could run 6 trades in 30 minutes.

these are all 0.10 mini lot size. so the effect on the overall account balance is minimum. the thread account is currently 24k so using strick ars from symphonie the thread account is trading 2.4lot size by the symphonie guidelines from post#1. those trades are the ones that are actually increasing the account balance.

again, do not worry about the number of trades because I post all the trades I make using Symphonie Trader System to the thread. the smaller multi trades will effect the number of trades only but do not really impact the growth of the thread account. remember I am working with others to develop an EA based on symphonie so some of them are practice EA trades.

as to the EA; the results so far are not good with many losses. but once we have something releasable.....I will create a new thread and you can go play with it there. for the time being, there is no EA.

i hope that answers your questions to your satisfaction.

eval.
  • #1,508
  • Oct 14, 2011 11:15am Oct 14, 2011 11:15am
137,560
Thread Keeps Building

Since my last post about visititation (7 days ago) this thread continues impressive gains of 69.3%!!!

(see post #150 , post#658, and #1164))

A big HUG and Kiss to everyone ...

Thank you for visiting this thread. It is my sincere hope you find it instructive and helpful to your trading.
PLEASE PLEASE please....keep it up with the comments, ideas, and teamwork.

Evaluator.

(please do not forget to rate)

P.S. Have a WONDERFUL WEEKEND!
  • #1,509
  • Oct 14, 2011 3:29pm Oct 14, 2011 3:29pm
Quoting Evaluator
137,560
Thread Keeps Building

Since my last post about visititation (7 days ago) this thread continues impressive gains of 69.3%!!!

(see post #150 , post#658, and #1164))

A big HUG and Kiss to everyone...
  • #1,510
  • Edited Oct 15, 2011 12:35am Oct 14, 2011 9:30pm | Edited Oct 15, 2011 12:35am
Hi Evaluator:

Now the indicator "Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator.mq4" will sound an alert every time a spike shows up.

But we do not know it is a common spike or an extreme spike.We must watch the screen to wait for an extreme spike,it will cost too much time just waiting.

Is that possible to modify the indicator "Symphonie_Extreme_Cycle_Indikator.mq4" to sound the alart everytime an "extreme spike" shows up?

Danke sehr!
  • #1,511
  • Oct 14, 2011 10:39pm Oct 14, 2011 10:39pm
have anyone on this thread used Cobral's THV system?
Sorry eval for different question? but I want to test it otherwise can compare your system with THV system?
I want to put your sys's indicator with THV together to improve it.
will test it on demo acc next week.
  • #1,512
  • Edited 11:17pm Oct 14, 2011 10:58pm | Edited 11:17pm
yes me ...cobra about : coral ..trix etc ... good for scalping

similar dude ...but i have to say thv system is more comprehensive. they provide...coral....alert etc .....

but the point is the same. i already combined thv with ev also .... and posted here about 1 or 2 week ago ( post number : 970 )

my imho whatever the system is... we have to understand the price action. if not ...trapped

***
my recommendation : better open micro account as low as 5 - 10 usd and trade. rather in demo account. in demo...yes we could be more familiar with the system but we have no feeling how to walk in wild world when using demo only. well... that's just me

Quoting ductrifx
have anyone on this thread used Cobral's THV system?
Sorry eval for different question? but I want to test it otherwise can compare your system with THV system?
I want to put your sys's indicator with THV together to improve it.
will test it on demo acc next week.
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  • #1,513
  • Oct 15, 2011 1:28am Oct 15, 2011 1:28am
Quoting iqyu5an
yes me ...cobra about : coral ..trix etc ... good for scalping

similar dude ...but i have to say thv system is more comprehensive. they provide...coral....alert etc .....

but the point is the same. i already combined thv with ev also .... and posted here about 1 or 2 week ago ( post number : 970 )

my imho whatever the system is... we have to understand the price action. if not ...trapped

***
my recommendation : better open micro...
u mean we must watch fibo, S R, psyh price, divergence
I test eval's system not combine with those because I have just back from vacation, I tested it on my brother's computer so not draw that. Too lazy . Will test it seriously next week.
I have talked with many trader, they told that they also started to trade follow these indicators at first. After blown out many acc, they turned to naked trade (price action).
I follow price action like them too, watch candles or bar but candles and bar is still one of thousand indicators, if anyone want to evidence that candles and bar can be fail i will give it out. I join this thread to find indicator or sys to confirm candles
anyone can give me advice to understand the matter clearly, is my opinion right?
  • #1,514
  • Oct 15, 2011 4:33am Oct 15, 2011 4:33am
Hi Eval, thanks you for your clarifications and the suggestions on using SMA50 as an additional guide, I'll try on it next week.

Also to thank realjumper for your opinions on multi time frame trading. Yup I do agree that 1min TF will provide lots of false signals and if it were to trend, it can trend very well too, of cos the problem is to know when it can trend well. If know when the price will trend well initially, then we all are holygrail already, haha...

Great results and congrats to Eval even though the increment is 33% as compared initially of 100%, still you are doing way better than bankers in terms of monthly gains. applauds.

Quoting Evaluator
sneid,

post#1 has the latest and greatest settings. i keep that document up to date.

yes. 50 5 was the original settings but was deteremined that 63 18 was more stable so settings were changed to the 63 18.

eval.
  • #1,515
  • Oct 15, 2011 10:04am Oct 15, 2011 10:04am
Hi Evaluator,

please report only trades based on your system. System variations and other system trials should not be included in the reporting. Also it would be nice to see more detailed reports (individual trades).

Usually systems are performing worse when converted to EAs. The reason to this is that system creator is using knowledge in trading which can not be found in system descriptions. So in personal trading there is an ad-hoc element (could be px, ew, timing, news) which system developer can not specify (or does not want to).


Quoting Evaluator
jusiur,

... i am running alot of mini trades to test different suggestions and systems and they are being traded in multiple timeframes but all in eurusd. so based on some criterea i could run 6 trades in 30 minutes.

...

as to the EA; the results so far are not good with many losses. but once we have something releasable.....I will create a new thread and you can go play with it there. for the time being, there is no EA.

eval.
  • #1,516
  • Oct 15, 2011 10:26am Oct 15, 2011 10:26am
Quoting JohnRandom
Hi Evaluator,

please report only trades based on your system. System variations and other system trials should not be included in the reporting. Also it would be nice to see more detailed reports (individual trades).

Usually systems are performing worse when converted to EAs. The reason to this is that system creator is using knowledge in trading which can not be found in system descriptions. So in personal trading there is an ad-hoc element (could be px, ew, timing, news) which system developer can not specify (or does not want to).
While I agree results should be kept separate, Evals additional tests are traded with 0.1 mini lots. The results for this thread are traded with 2.4 full lots so there will only be a negligible difference in what is reported for this system versus the results excluding his other tests.
  • #1,517
  • Oct 15, 2011 5:06pm Oct 15, 2011 5:06pm
Quoting mogulmedia
While I agree results should be kept separate, Evals additional tests are traded with 0.1 mini lots. The results for this thread are traded with 2.4 full lots so there will only be a negligible difference in what is reported for this system versus the results excluding his other tests.
I agree......the additional tests have a negligible effect on the total......so small that it can be ignored. Also, there are many, many individual trades posted here from Eval, so my suggestion to JohnRandom is to read the thread!!!
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  • #1,518
  • Oct 15, 2011 11:45pm Oct 15, 2011 11:45pm
Rolled the system in strategy tester a little. You say that indicators (at least some of them) are looking forward, thus repainting. The picture shows that actually they are lagging pretty badly.

Each blue vertical line represents the moment when in real time a long position should be opened (all indicators are blue at the start of a new bar). The repainting feature alters the look afterwards a lot.

For fun, I also placed stoch on the chart. If you would use only it and the trendline indi for triggering trades you would get much better entries (e.g. go long when trendline blue and stoch cross under 50 line).

So even this superficial analysis shows why i'm litlle bit skeptic about the results. Are they all achieved by following the system rules, or are they based on some sort of ad-hoc trading. The problems with ea hint to the latter.

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  • #1,519
  • Oct 16, 2011 1:09am Oct 16, 2011 1:09am
Quoting JohnRandom
Rolled the system in strategy tester a little. You say that indicators (at least some of them) are looking forward, thus repainting. The picture shows that actually they are lagging pretty badly.

Each blue vertical line represents the moment when in real time a long position should be opened (all indicators are blue at the start of a new bar). The repainting feature alters the look afterwards a lot.

For fun, I also placed stoch on the chart. If you would use only it and the trendline indi for triggering trades you would get much better entries...
Very interesting analysis... I don't see any extreme spikes previous to any of the entry points noted.
  • #1,520
  • Edited 2:37am Oct 16, 2011 1:40am | Edited 2:37am
For fun, I also placed stoch on the chart. If you would use only it and the trendline indi for triggering trades you would get much better entries...[/quote]

Hi John,

I think you have a good point. I don't think all indicators are needed and most of the system goes back to the color of the trend line. In that case a stoch can get you in and out multiple times in a trend, which won't with the extreme.

Do you use a cross through the 50 line of the stoch? I personally add TD lines to match setups with good looking breakouts.

Thanks,

PBB

Ps: i like the system for what it is, this thread has got a good fibe and that 's good for the thinking proces.
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