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  • #41
  • Jul 29, 2011 8:47am Jul 29, 2011 8:47am
Quoting courtneywild
or...

http://tvpnc.org/

Cheers

nice utopics views will love to see them fly of the floor.......

the stablishment won't allow it, just as they erase all treads against them.......
The Chonchy
  • #42
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:07am Jul 29, 2011 9:07am
Quoting AlexCollins
The US Government will take it's time will solve this problem in last hour. Nobody in the world interested in Dooms day of US Economy.

It's like in Hollywood movies - in last minute we will know who is the murderer!
  • #43
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:13am Jul 29, 2011 9:13am
Quoting Turtle
If you pass the the Ron Paul/Barney Frank marijuana bill, the US would not have a problem.

Just my two pips.

HOLLA
Don't get mad, get even!
  • #44
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:17am Jul 29, 2011 9:17am
Quoting chonchy
well I'm for austerity messures, cuts and no raise in the debt ceiling and no taxes increase, but that is only me, I agree that the majority is with the flow, nintendo, and easy spending and no worries, soapaperas etc........but what about their kids future? don't politicos have kids? aren't this kids going to grow up? and what about their kids, this country enjoy one of the most rich economies in the 1800, begining of 1900 up untill some politico sold the country to the federal reserve bank, federal by name by private cause it has a board of directors........and...

Conchy, austerity sounds great, but in the end it is only the poor that gets screwed. The Rich will always protect themselves such that the brunt of it is borne by the middle/low/no income families.

If the policies are being implemented by government and lobbied for by the rich, why is it when the shit hits the ceiling, is it that the poor man is one who gets caught.

Austerity measure never work because in the end we are all selfish bitches and the "haves" will make sure like hell to ensure that they continue to "have". And being influential (aka money in the bank) will ensure that those policies that are most beneficial to them are kept.

Social Security/Medicare/Medicad....screw em (we (the rich) can pay for our own)

Public Schooling ..... screw em (we (the rich) can pay for private school).

Greece tried austerity.... civil unrest followed. Spain wants to implement Austerity .... They called new elections early to increase world confidence that they will be able to carry there debt(no sure how that works)...My take on this is that needless to say unrest will follow, so they are trying to get the elections over in advance (try getting elected while implementing Austerity measures...they r gonna hate ur guts).

My point being, only the well off will support the austerity measures. We already have 14% of the country below and borderline poverty levels, unemployment is still in double digits. Austerity will not work. It is gonna take something different...beats the hell outta me what it is gonna be...

Those tea party " tools" have lost touch with what it means to struggle, that's why they think they can sit in their nice homes and offices and take a hard line approach.

They think they can take the approach they would use in their homes to budgeting and apply it to a country..what they do not seem to understand is that at home u just need to get the support of one and no one life is ruined if you screw you monthly budget in a country where vets and pensioners may loose all benefits or even half benefits can be disastrous.

People need to wake up to face the reality of what that hardline approach will cause.
  • #45
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:25am Jul 29, 2011 9:25am
Quoting Cypr3ss
Conchy, austerity sounds great, but in the end it is only the poor that gets screwed. The Rich will always protect themselves such that the brunt of it is borne by the middle/low/no income families.

If the policies are being implemented by government and lobbied for by the rich, why is it when the shit hits the ceiling, is it that the poor man is one who gets caught.

Austerity measure never work because in the end we are all selfish bitches and the "haves" will make sure like hell to ensure that they continue to "have". And being influential...
the hard pill is harsh but is coming one way or the other, is bether to have it now, what can we do? more taxes, more printing money, more entitlements, more wars, we can't aford anymore me think, I want my pill now........so my childrens can be inmune, if I don't take it now, they will.....if something dramatic happens now maybe they will take advantage of it and together with some education in our schools and in tour houses, they may be able to learn to save and not spend their way out into the future so they may not need medicare medicaid, wellfare, food stamps, social security and none of that mombo jumbo that is ruin this wllfare state including the big spender, "wars" to protect the big corps.......
The Chonchy
  • #46
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:30am Jul 29, 2011 9:30am
if no deal get struck, the USA and it citizens will be crowned the land of complete utter morons for a very very very long time by the rest of the world ... seriously
  • #47
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:36am Jul 29, 2011 9:36am
Quoting pa18
if no deal get struck, the USA and it citizens will be crowned the land of complete utter morons for a very very very long time by the rest of the world ... seriously
good maybe is the solutions to stop wars and all this wellfare state, a country that don't have money to pay their debts and is finincing 6 wars and lending money to dictarors all over the world, my, my, who is in charge?
The Chonchy
  • #48
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:45am Jul 29, 2011 9:45am
@ Chonchy, I hear you on taking the long road view and intellectually it makes sense that it should be dealt with sooner than later. Intellectually it makes sense.

But i would disagree, realistically the politicos will not take a decision that will affect their ability to pull the votes. The fact that the Republicans cannot even agree among themselves highlights this, heck, they read the same news as we do, they know how it will go if they choose a hardline approach.

I think in the end the Dems are gonna come of this smelling better...tho crap will always smell like crap no matter who it is on.

No worries Pa18, a deal will be struck, because aside from money, politicians love power and elections are around the corner.
  • #49
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:47am Jul 29, 2011 9:47am
Quoting pa18
if no deal get struck, the USA and it citizens will be crowned the land of complete utter morons for a very very very long time by the rest of the world ... seriously
I thought that happened twenty years ago already
Don't get mad, get even!
  • #50
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:54am Jul 29, 2011 9:54am
Quoting Cypr3ss
@ Chonchy, I hear you on taking the long road view and intellectually it makes sense that it should be dealt with sooner than later. Intellectually it makes sense.

But i would disagree, realistically the politicos will not take a decision that will affect their ability to pull the votes. The fact that the Republicans cannot even agree among themselves highlights this, heck, they read the same news as we do, they know how it will go if they choose a hardline approach.

I think in the end the Dems are gonna come of this smelling better...tho...
sadly I agree with you on what is going to happens, I just dream with having something diferent to happen, but I agree with you 100%.......

oh and I know a deal will be struck, even tho they get the country into more debt, that is why the federal reserve is for, Ben should be greasing the printing presses as we speak........I mean what good those printing money out of thin air do if you can't use his power, and that power was given to him by congress, what a rip off.......
The Chonchy
  • #51
  • Jul 29, 2011 9:54am Jul 29, 2011 9:54am
Quoting stulic
I thought that happened twenty years ago already
The Chonchy
  • #52
  • Jul 29, 2011 11:39am Jul 29, 2011 11:39am
well have we voted yet?.......the great show on earth, and after that they vote against the people.........what a joke......

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  • #53
  • Jul 30, 2011 10:11am Jul 30, 2011 10:11am
Since most if not all of the poor and middle class in the US will suffer more if nothing is done by the deadline, why aren't they doing something about it like for example, contacting their congressman or whatever to get things passed

I don't get it, more or equal amount of the rich controlling things?

the mind boggles when it comes to American politicking
  • #54
  • Jul 31, 2011 3:40am Jul 31, 2011 3:40am
Quoting pa18
Since most if not all of the poor and middle class in the US will suffer more if nothing is done by the deadline, why aren't they doing something about it like for example, contacting their congressman or whatever to get things passed

I don't get it, more or equal amount of the rich controlling things?

the mind boggles when it comes to American politicking
uummm the poor and middle class of voters screw themselves each time they vote for Socialists. Read some History will ya!
  • #55
  • Jul 31, 2011 7:07am Jul 31, 2011 7:07am
For the edification of the general public..... fugging tea party tools

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...ef=NetworkNews
  • #56
  • Jul 31, 2011 9:04am Jul 31, 2011 9:04am
http://havoconthehill.com/2011/07/28/9/
  • #57
  • Jul 31, 2011 10:01am Jul 31, 2011 10:01am
Quoting chonchy
good maybe is the solutions to stop wars and all this wellfare state, a country that don't have money to pay their debts and is finincing 6 wars and lending money to dictarors all over the world, my, my, who is in charge?
Very true. At least world will get rid of this Devil. It will surely cost a big economic decline.
  • #58
  • Jul 31, 2011 12:24pm Jul 31, 2011 12:24pm
Quoting expertreview
Very true. At least world will get rid of this Devil. It will surely cost a big economic decline.

what wars? no wars don't cost them anything, it cost us tax payers, and I wonder who told them I like wars, I mean if it is to defend my country is one thing but to go and make this countrys safe so the big corporations can go and do bussines in a safe enviroment?, why don't they hire mercenaries to do this,? oh no because the big corps figuer that they allready pay enough in campaings so when their elected politicians come to power, all they have to do is ask, well make me a war here, a war there, and who pays for it? us the tax payers with not enought money to pay the rent, imagine if I'm making millions, who cares how much tax I pay, if they are going to help me set up an oil rig in some country that I can control, take the peg of the dollar and stop the military machine, every dollar that gets change to buy a barrel of crude oil, goes into the defence department, again if is to defend the country it used to be fine, but to finance wars in every country they need oil from, ah ah and then the cost of petrol at the pump is the same.

About the debt ceiling my final 2 cents is no to the raise, I know it won't happen, but I am against it, why? well because in a few years, another president, another party will do it again, we need to stop spending now, period, cut goverment in half, stop military wars with no final objective but to secure the pads for the elite, and I'm not against riches, I love money, I just don't like it to be used on wars and to destroy the world we leave in, is a lot of ways to do money without herting others, but all this world order BS to do good for the people, I just don't buy it, education, educating the masses is important, like my good friend Yaed said, is hard to be well adjusted to a sick society..........or unhealhty..........

escuse my english but love this country so much when I came in, but now is in no position to give, is time for us to give back, produce, save, take care of our own, create jobs, that is where the real strugle begins, bring the capital home but not by force, but by concience........
The Chonchy
  • #59
  • Jul 31, 2011 1:15pm Jul 31, 2011 1:15pm
This is kind of a ridiculous issue. Especially when it comes to the republican side of things. We are the only country besides Denmark that has a debt ceiling. And they keep theirs purposly high so that it is never reached. Where this debate becomes asinine, is in the fact that when you pass a budget where the expenditures exceed income, it becomes a forgone conclusion that you will have to borrow the rest. It's like going shopping, getting the bill in a month and then deciding not to pay. The buget was passed by both democrats and republicans, so now the bills are coming due and republicans want to renig on their responsibility.
  • #60
  • Jul 31, 2011 7:22pm Jul 31, 2011 7:22pm
Too much B.S. coming out of Washington in this late hour. I see a Black Monday looming, maybe THEN, those fatasses in D.C. will decide to do something.
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