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  • #406,501
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:10pm Mar 14, 2011 4:10pm
Quoting cloggie
Back to eu, ah sh!t nothing to trade yet.
No trade till London is my noob guess...
  • #406,502
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:10pm Mar 14, 2011 4:10pm
Quoting letscry
Portugal Prime Minister Jose Socrates "Either we resolve the problem ourselves, or others will solve it for us" .....
so that'll be EU bailout then...
  • #406,503
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:12pm Mar 14, 2011 4:12pm
DML... Only at it for a few years.. It's interesting work...

Quoting Texas.Rich
DML or the DDL side?
Disclaimer: Check your 1m charts
  • #406,504
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:12pm Mar 14, 2011 4:12pm
Quoting fldash
No trade till London is my noob guess...
Asia should give us 30-40 pips or so. Right now it is dead man walking.
  • #406,505
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:13pm Mar 14, 2011 4:13pm
Quoting Magix
I have a few bucks in micros I use for bots...

I agree, back testing sucks. Run a bot live, run a bot demo for a week...then run the back test on both...
Guess what?
Typically 4 different results....
correct!
still i'm not a fan of automations...
unfortunately PA is very complex and needs a shit-load of input (live input + experience) for a trader to make some sense out of it. Now imagine explaining that (programming) to a machine in order to analyse, act (get in) and react (get out) and in the end do a good job.

But ppl buy it...I mean how stupid can you be to spend 600$ on a piece of code, some guy boasted here last week about, that does shit? btw, i found it on fileshare, if any of you were plannig to buy that... don't.

Any newbie programmer can make a 3-line script that compares 2 indicators to enter a trade, OB's, OS, MA's and exits trailing stops or SL at preset nr of pips.
  • #406,506
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:15pm Mar 14, 2011 4:15pm
Quoting pipper
DML... Only at it for a few years.. It's interesting work...
I don't see the point, unless you are a full out engineer, to tackle the DDL { Data Definition Language} side of SQL.

ALL you need to do is workup the inputs which can be self-taught without the 10 years of MIT education.

Anyone here who claims to engineer SQL databases here is full of Crap, if you are an SQL database engineer for complicated API systems, then what are you doing here instead of working for Google or Facebook making a lot more money.

I don't know, to each their own.
  • #406,507
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:15pm Mar 14, 2011 4:15pm
Anyways, it has been entertaining here today. Am signing off for the day. See y'all later.
  • #406,508
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:16pm Mar 14, 2011 4:16pm
Quoting cloggie
Anyways, it has been entertaining here today. Am signing of for the day. See y'all later.
Don't leave ... for the 20th time ...
/hug
  • #406,509
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:16pm Mar 14, 2011 4:16pm
Quoting prezd
correct!
still i'm not a fan of automations...
unfortunately PA is very complex and needs a shit-load of input (live input + experience) for a trader to make some sense out of it. Now imagine explaining that (programming) to a machine in order to analyse, act (get in) and react (get out) and in the end do a good job.

But ppl buy it...I mean how stupid can you be to spend 600$ on a piece of code, some guy boasted here last week about, that does shit?...
knock it out on ebay, there's one born every minute...
  • #406,510
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:18pm Mar 14, 2011 4:18pm
i think i told you before. the only way I would go about it is go after a tick chart. 1-2 pips at a time. the market is so complex that you need to go down to the lowest level you can. once you do that then you run into a different set of problems: speed. the system better be able to process huge amounts of data in a fraction of a second. you are talking extremely expensive machines, software (better be distributed), connectivity, etc. very hard to do....

edit: i have friends working for trading companies. they have PHDs mathematicians running their models. then the implementation is a whole different story altogether. At one time I interviewed with one of these flash trading companies. The programmers were mostly PHDs from MIT. That's what you are dealing with here.

A system trading based on a cross of some sort is a joke.

Quoting prezd
correct!
still i'm not a fan of automations...
unfortunately PA is very complex and needs a shit-load of input (live input + experience) for a trader to make some sense out of it. Now imagine explaining that (programming) to a machine in order to analyse, act (get in) and react (get out) and in the end do a good job.

But ppl buy it...I mean how stupid can you be to spend 600$ on a piece of code, some guy boasted here last week about, that does shit?...
  • #406,511
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:20pm Mar 14, 2011 4:20pm
Quoting prezd
correct!
still i'm not a fan of automations...
unfortunately PA is very complex and needs a shit-load of input (live input + experience) for a trader to make some sense out of it. Now imagine explaining that (programming) to a machine in order to analyse, act (get in) and react (get out) and in the end do a good job.

But ppl buy it...I mean how stupid can you be to spend 600$ on a piece of code, some guy boasted here last week about, that does shit?...
I tested out one of them learning robots last year...day one, it did okay...day 2, rapid fire traded taking entries and exits within the same 30 seconds...lost over 80 bux on that one...not the issue on the loss, but imagine some poor schmuck dropping that onto a standard account? 800 pip loss in 3 hours....

I have seen some great ideas for comparing indies but in end, they just don't end up testing that well...

Manual works for me...and I can hit a few accounts with trades in a matter of seconds...get in, get out...wait....
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  • #406,512
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:23pm Mar 14, 2011 4:23pm
Quoting cloggie
Sad but true, the FI boys are deciding for him as we speak. That will be the next big fundie trigger Sisse and I have been discussing in the last few weeks.
i have been trying to catch this fundie aswell but as we know this kind of things take time to occure if it is a government problem, they can hide till the deadlines, yields were rising for weeks just today it was a bit lower coz of decissions taken at weekend, soon i guees 10 yr yields for them will be %8 than it will be time for entering a position.
  • #406,513
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:24pm Mar 14, 2011 4:24pm
Quoting FibbinArchie
so that'll be EU bailout then...

well governments doesnt say directly we r on bailout, they start saying "we may need bla bla" that means bailout coming
  • #406,514
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:24pm Mar 14, 2011 4:24pm
the company i was talking about in the post above was buying and selling a stock multiple times withing A MILLISECOND. They did have traders, it was not all automated, but the traders were only moving the levers of the software, if you will.

Quoting Magix
I tested out one of them learning robots last year...day one, it did okay...day 2, rapid fire traded taking entries and exits within the same 30 seconds...lost over 80 bux on that one...not the issue on the loss, but imagine some poor schmuck dropping that onto a standard account? 800 pip loss in 3 hours....

I have seen some great ideas for comparing indies but in end, they just don't end up testing that well...

Manual works for me...and I can hit a few accounts with trades in a matter of seconds...get in, get out...wait....
  • #406,515
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:26pm Mar 14, 2011 4:26pm


Wasnt expecting this fast .

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  • #406,516
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:26pm Mar 14, 2011 4:26pm
Quoting FibbinArchie
knock it out on ebay, there's one born every minute...
Nah... I'd better sell Solitaire games )
You want me to be the cause of more blown accounts?

Don't they have any responsability? Guilt ?
I mean some might actually belive that and put their hard-earned money in it...

But as someone said, dont blame the seller for offering shit,
blame the buyer that pays for that.
  • #406,517
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:27pm Mar 14, 2011 4:27pm
Quoting Texas.Rich
everyone has a demo account, I was stating that it is TALENT to have the exact same trade in real time across multiple platforms, I admire that!

"playing around here is pure amusement" - so I see!



1 argument, read through his post ... if you are going to ride someone for their trades, show yours! that is why

"twee will provide my language in this context" - kk!



I really am a fan, not only a top trader with all top data feeds but you are a programmer. Why aren't you working on those algo's for BOA or Chase?

/hug

Trading is trading ... and programming is another thing ...

Programmers do not earn that much ... even then if they work for a huge company ... they are still programmers ... nicht weniger ... aber auch nicht mehr ...

When you have developed a high grade system ... and such things do exist ... there is no need to have knowledge of programming for that ...

Das sind Auftragsarbeiten ... and India is well known for having high skills in writing very good programms for any purposes ...

But the origin Ideas have nothing to do with those programms ... and I can give an order to a company to do such things ... without letting them know why and what it is needed for ...

One of the famoust BLACKBOX ALGOS has been developed there in India ...

But such things are costly ... not because of the programmers ... but because of the high standarts of development prior to those results in automatisation ...

Automatisation is one step back from origin ... and automatisation is not the major key ...



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  • #406,518
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:29pm Mar 14, 2011 4:29pm
Quoting letscry
well governments doesnt say directly we r on bailout, they start saying "we may need bla bla" that means bailout coming
Yeah I think he's hinting at it by just making the statement, everyone else is thinking it...

there's a good piece about it on forexcrunch, albeit a little bear biased...
http://www.forexcrunch.com/eu-deal-w...-from-bailout/
  • #406,519
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:32pm Mar 14, 2011 4:32pm
Quoting prezd
Nah... I'd better sell Solitaire games )
You want me to be the cause of more blown accounts?

Don't they have any responsability? Guilt ?
I mean some might actually belive that and put their hard-earned money in it...

But as someone said, dont blame the seller for offering shit,
blame the buyer that pays for that.
90% snake oil salesmen in this game...
  • #406,520
  • Mar 14, 2011 4:33pm Mar 14, 2011 4:33pm
Quoting mercy seat
Trading is trading ... and programming is another thing ...

Programmers do not earn that much ... even then if they work for a huge company ... they are still programmers ... nicht weniger ... aber auch nicht mehr ...

When you have developed a high grade system ... and such things do exist ... there is no need to have knowledge of programming for that ...

Das sind Auftragsarbeiten ... and India is well known for having high skills in writing very good programms for any purposes ...

But the origin Ideas have nothing to do with those programms...
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