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  • #17,421
  • Feb 10, 2011 2:00am Feb 10, 2011 2:00am
For the idiot with the alias ID of Yamster who sent me a note about a post that I deleted. (Twee will be interested in alias's)

As it seems so important to you here is the post again.

The trade was stopped out. As was the previous attempt to go short there.

Get a life and get the courage to post notes like that under you real ID
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  • #17,422
  • Feb 10, 2011 2:10am Feb 10, 2011 2:10am
The best way to use the volume is "pre-trade", ie

1. We see a volume peak start and end (pre-london or london session. Ignore the vol in asian sesion). This tells us that "something will happen", the traders are preparing.

2. We see volume goes 0 or below 0.

3. Now look at the waves and take the next set-up to occur.

It is important that there is no volume in the EP.

With these simple rules, the odds are in your favor earn more than half of the time (I'd say 70-75%), with proper MM, there is no way to lose in the long run.

Enjoy trading!
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"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #17,423
  • Feb 10, 2011 2:12am Feb 10, 2011 2:12am
Quoting priceaction
For the idiot with the alias ID of Yamster who sent me a note about a post that I deleted. (Twee will be interested in alias's)

As it seems so important to you here is the post again.

The trade was stopped out. As was the previous attempt to go short there.

Get a life and get the courage to post notes like that under you real ID
I think you picked the wrong thread.
"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #17,424
  • Feb 10, 2011 2:14am Feb 10, 2011 2:14am
Quoting nando_rich
I think you picked the wrong thread.
This is the only thread where I deleted a post yesterday.
Twee will track and deal with the user with the alias.

Anyway, excuse the interjection. On with trading.
  • #17,425
  • Edited 2:33am Feb 10, 2011 2:22am | Edited 2:33am
Sell stop on GU since 1.6065 as you see in the chart.
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"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #17,426
  • Edited 2:39am Feb 10, 2011 2:27am | Edited 2:39am
Quoting nando_rich
Ok...trade active.

we'll see.

I'm short since yersterday on EU. I've updated my SL & TP.


Regards.
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  • #17,427
  • Feb 10, 2011 3:59am Feb 10, 2011 3:59am
Quoting traderathome
A Lesson In PPM Strategies:

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The black candle traversed almost 25 pips in that M1 TF. Actually, it dropped its full distance in just the first few ticks! What were the PPMs doing? They were making sure that traders that had set Sell Limit orders just below the previous PA low, got their orders executed! Why? Look at the longer gray candle that followed. The PPMs figured that people that pre-set Sell Limit orders, also use a Stop Loss! So, after making sure those traders got into the trade, they reversed PA and took them out of the trade by hitting...
Good post. Here is a nice example of eurchf m15 chart and the PPM's strategy. Just when a trader opens a short trade (too early?), price reverses and hits the SL, later the price continued to go down.
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  • #17,428
  • Feb 10, 2011 4:19am Feb 10, 2011 4:19am
Hi All.. Just Wanna Share my hypotesis..

Basber, is the one who told me that i will take more loss than win when i started to win, and indeed i started to lost !!! so, he said that i must be picky to take a trade, and i kind a confused, what type of trade i must take / or not, so.. after looking at my pair (GU/EJ) i find something that make a bounce hypotesis of sonicR. again, it not proven yet but i find similar pattern.

please look at GU chart posted below. just something i want to share because i haven't see entire thread after page 1000. if this already talk about plz dont bother to answer.

Edit: writing below should be BOUNCE IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DRAGON AND CLOSED ABOVE/BELOW DRAGON. sori for miss type
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SonY, Gold Is Every Where Gold, but Human Not Gold..
  • #17,429
  • Feb 10, 2011 4:51am Feb 10, 2011 4:51am
Quoting noer1962
Hi All.. Just Wanna Share my hypotesis..

Basber, is the one who told me that i will take more loss than win when i started to win, and indeed i started to lost !!! so, he said that i must be picky to take a trade, and i kind a confused, what type of trade i must take / or not, so.. after looking at my pair (GU/EJ) i find something that make a bounce hypotesis of sonicR. again, it not proven yet but i find similar pattern.

please look at GU chart posted below. just something i want to share because i haven't see entire thread after page...
Basber has posted that he likes to wait for SonicR trades that involve PA bouncing off of some major S&R area. Such an area could be a whole number, half number, or any level that shows up in a review of historic PA as being significant.

Look at the attached chart. A gray bar is draw that cuts thru a lot of PA scribble.....PA bouncing up and down from some center area, bouncing outwards but not going far and then returning and sometimes cutting thru to do the same on the opposite side. This is a key area. It is kind of like a PPZ (Pivotal Price Zone), or like the center of a consolidation area. Instead of a discrete area as support, or a discrete area as resistance, we have instead a center of oscillation. I don't know how meaningful this is, but the lower boundary of this area is the 3/4 number, too.

Anyway, I frequently look at centers of oscillation as being as important as S&R for setting targets. And maybe they can be as important as "bounce" areas, too.

But, even if we forget all about centers of oscillation/consolidation, we still have the obvious in front of us......the Dragon. A bounce off the Dragon area is like a bounce off of a moving S&R area. The same is true for a bounce off the Trend!

In this case, it currently looks like PA is bouncing down. And the area it is bouncing down from is a confluence of this oscillation center (gray band), the Dragon, and the Trend.....all three!
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  • #17,430
  • Feb 10, 2011 4:52am Feb 10, 2011 4:52am
Quoting noer1962
Hi All.. Just Wanna Share my hypotesis..

Basber, is the one who told me that i will take more loss than win when i started to win, and indeed i started to lost !!! so, he said that i must be picky to take a trade, and i kind a confused, what type of trade i must take / or not, so.. after looking at my pair (GU/EJ) i find something that make a bounce hypotesis of sonicR. again, it not proven yet but i find similar pattern.

please look at GU chart posted below. just something i want to share because i haven't see entire thread after page...
My advice is do not mix systems or modify anything. SonicR is not a MA bounce system, It's about waves the MA's are just for trade direction. If you prefer a MA system you've others treads (Dance, Choros, etc) If you win you win, if you lose you lose ... SonicR system is elegantly simple.In long run you'll win if you are patient and follow the rules. I've been backtesting trade by trade in the EU, GU, EJ and monthly earn at least +50% of the time (usually 70%). If you maintain your correct MM will win eventually.

EXPERIENCE will help you better choose your trades ...

You do not have to wonder ... why the trade did not work? if not, I followed the rules? If so ... forget the outcome of trade and hoped the next opportunity.

This is easier said than done ... and is the reason that 95% of traders fail.

Please ... Do not worry about losing!

Best Regards.
"Being picky only cost your time - not MONEY"...Hans
  • #17,431
  • Feb 10, 2011 5:21am Feb 10, 2011 5:21am
Quoting priceaction
For the idiot with the alias ID of Yamster who sent me a note about a post that I deleted. (Twee will be interested in alias's)

As it seems so important to you here is the post again.

The trade was stopped out. As was the previous attempt to go short there.

Get a life and get the courage to post notes like that under you real ID
Hi, priceaction. Thank you for your post. I last saw it in its original form and intended to respond, but had to leave the computer for quite some time. When I returned much later, it was gone. Now that it is back I will try to post a thought based on the original text.

I think you were saying that we view things similarly, but just have different ways of describing it. You refer to Supply and Demand zones, whereas I refer to areas PPMs pump the price to while shorting, and for the purpose of continued shorting.....and conversley to areas the PPMs torpedo the price to while buying, and for the purppose of continued buying.

Supply and Demand zones are succinct terms. But I think they are confusing. We are not dealing with a stock, but a two sided forex pair. So, when PPMs pump the price to sell off and convert to shorts, there is a Demand for the short side of the pair. And when PPMs torpedo the price to close shorts and open long positions, there is a Demand for the long side of the pair. Where upwards drives stop, it is because there is an abundant supply of sell orders sitting and waiting to be executed....far too many for the price to be pumped thru them all to higher ground. Where downwards drives stop, it is because there is an aboundant supply of buy orders already there waiting to be executed....far too many for the price to be driven down thru them to lower ground.

Therefore, I believe a better choice of succinct terms is Sellers and Buyers zones, because it avoids the confusion brought on by the fact that either buying or selling can be the side currently "in demand" and at some levels "in abundant supply".
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  • #17,432
  • Feb 10, 2011 5:32am Feb 10, 2011 5:32am
Quoting nando_rich
The best way to use the volume is "pre-trade", ie

1. We see a volume peak start and end (pre-london or london session. Ignore the vol in asian sesion). This tells us that "something will happen", the traders are preparing.

2. We see volume goes...
I have not traded this because I am short from yesterday, but this is an example of what I mean ....

I will continue to test to see if I add to my checklist this rule.
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  • #17,433
  • Feb 10, 2011 5:39am Feb 10, 2011 5:39am
EJ:

This looks like preparations are being made for a definative drive down thru the half number support area, to some lower ground. In about 20 minutes there is an EUR event which may be a trigger.

By applying the FR study as shown, the 100% level looks like a viable TP1, and it could go further even though it would turn out to be a range breaking day. It is interesting that the 100%, 162% and 262% FR extension levels closely coincide with lower whole, half and whole numbers.
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  • #17,434
  • Feb 10, 2011 5:45am Feb 10, 2011 5:45am
Quoting nando_rich

I will continue to test to see if I add to my checklist this rule.
The same here
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  • #17,435
  • Feb 10, 2011 5:55am Feb 10, 2011 5:55am
Quoting traderathome
Basber has posted that he likes to wait for SonicR trades that involve PA bouncing off of some major S&R area....
in conclusion we wait till the grey area form first and the trend is establish then we enter the trade ? i'm i right ?
basber has told me about his opinion about S/R and PPZ but i kind a difficult to find / filter them because every time i enter a trade there is always S/R near my entry. less experience i think.

Quoting nando_rich
My advice is do not mix systems or modify...
nice advice, thank you
plz ignore the SMA 7 and 300 just wanna learn the price action, and from other PA/MA thread. i just wanna try too share my opinion about filtering entry, but if this make sonicR become unelegant and unsimple, i humblely apologize
SonY, Gold Is Every Where Gold, but Human Not Gold..
  • #17,436
  • Feb 10, 2011 6:00am Feb 10, 2011 6:00am
Quoting nando_rich
The same here
Lets see how this turns out. One FR draw is only for very last swing down. The other is for the entire swing down. I don't know which is the better way, but would like to.
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  • #17,437
  • Feb 10, 2011 6:16am Feb 10, 2011 6:16am
Quoting noer1962
in conclusion we wait till the grey area form first and the trend is establish then we enter the trade ? i'm i right ?
basber has told me about his opinion about S/R and PPZ but i kind a difficult to find / filter them because every time i enter a trade there is always S/R near my entry. less experience i think.



nice advice, thank you
plz ignore the SMA 7 and 300 just wanna learn the price action, and from other PA/MA thread. i just wanna try too share my opinion about filtering entry, but if this make sonicR become unelegant and unsimple,...
GU:

Look at it now. It is a situation where the WAVE is laid over the half number....an important SR area. And the true EP extends down to the half number. This is clearly a situation where PA is being set up to break down thru this important SR area. It might fail, or succeed.

But PA has spiked down and pulled back to the EP area/half number area. So, this could become a PA bounce now, down from this half number area. Such a PA bounce down from a half number might be one of the things that Basber looks for.
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  • #17,438
  • Feb 10, 2011 6:26am Feb 10, 2011 6:26am
Quoting traderathome
GU:

Look at it now. It is a situation where the WAVE is laid over the half number....an important SR area. And the true EP extends down to the half number. This is clearly a situation where PA is being set up to break down thru this important SR area. It might fail, or succeed.

But PA has spiked down and pulled back to the EP area/half number area. So, this could become a PA bounce now, down from this half number area. Such a PA bounce down from a half number might be one of the things that Basber looks for.
Youre right TAH. just noticing the blue area keep rejecting price down.. i wanna enter the trade before just like you and nando but the blue area make me scared so, not trade until the blue area break..

YOU ARE THE MAN .. thanks tah, a little bit clear about good S/R
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  • #17,439
  • Feb 10, 2011 6:34am Feb 10, 2011 6:34am
GU:

This has set up repeatedly, and failed. I think the failures are not due to lack of support for lower prices, but rather it is due to extreme greed for profit when PA is finally turned loose to seek lower prices! The PPMs are sandbagging over, and over, and over, and over. As long as they can induce other traders to go long and provide the liquidity necessary for them (the PPMs) to add shorts, they'll hold it up, support the price.

Eventually, however, this is going to suddenly and dramatically dive....to lock out the longs.

I keep thinking maybe it is going to be "today". But so far, I have been disappointed. But still, maybe today?
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  • #17,440
  • Feb 10, 2011 6:45am Feb 10, 2011 6:45am
1.3615xx seems a very gd support for EU..
One should consider cautious LONG if it breakes 1.365x again..
overall trend..Am still bearish..

Sonic
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