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  • #365,821
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:14pm Jan 16, 2011 10:14pm
Quoting attila
The markets are manipulated, but only temporary. The bill eventually comes due. No exception. It can come as a bubble burst, recession, depression, war etc., but one should never doubt it will.
I just meant that it doesn't punish those responsible. Not saying people don't get punished ... but 'those' in charge/shot callers already made their money and moved on.

Best example I could give, the whole 'market' crash in the U.S. ... AFTER the bailout was set into play, it was still 100% 1:1 insured upto 1.x trillion dollars ... so that '700' billion could still be gambled and if lost ... again ... u.s. insurance picks up the tab.

the best phrase in the world ... "follow the money":
  • #365,822
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:15pm Jan 16, 2011 10:15pm
Aren't we all markets manipulator ? (Just that more money = more manipulation...)
US Dollar is trash... Get out of that Ponzi scheme !!!
  • #365,823
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:17pm Jan 16, 2011 10:17pm
Quoting Bootleger
Aren't we all market manipulator ?

no we are market participants, not manipulators....the latter try to mislead or create false appearances or prices
  • #365,824
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:19pm Jan 16, 2011 10:19pm
Quoting Bootleger
Aren't we all markets manipulator ? (Just that more money = more manipulation...)
if you are not trolling and being serious ... my answer to you is 'no'

–verb (used with object), -lat·ed, -lat·ing.
1.
to manage or influence skillfully, esp. in an unfair manner: to manipulate people's feelings.
2.
to handle, manage, or use, esp. with skill, in some process of treatment or performance: to manipulate a large tractor.
3.
to adapt or change (accounts, figures, etc.) to suit one's purpose or advantage.

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We don't have the power to manipulate at this low level ...
  • #365,825
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:21pm Jan 16, 2011 10:21pm
Quoting Bootleger
Aren't we all markets manipulator ? (Just that more money = more manipulation...)
No, atleast not me. I still have to make a couple of billions before even thinking about influencing the market. My grandchildren may think about manipulating this market someday ............. I hope.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #365,826
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:21pm Jan 16, 2011 10:21pm
  •  apt
  • | Joined Oct 2010 | Status: All your cookies are belong to me. | 1,114 Posts
Quoting mfoste1
no we are market participants, not manipulators....the latter try to mislead or create false appearances or prices
In one sense yeah, but in my head I can also see a different definition of a "Market Manipulator" so to speak, as a skilled scalper.

Someone that is able to extract the market for the smallest of movement, into his/her own personal profit.
  • #365,827
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:22pm Jan 16, 2011 10:22pm
  •  apt
  • | Joined Oct 2010 | Status: All your cookies are belong to me. | 1,114 Posts
Quoting Chicky
No, atleast not me. I still have to make a couple of billions before even thinking about influencing the market. My grandchildren may think about manipulating this market someday ............. I hope.
We'll probably be at a one world currency by then, don't you think? mebbe.
  • #365,828
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:23pm Jan 16, 2011 10:23pm
Quoting apt
In one sense yeah, but in my head I can also see a different definition of a "Market Manipulator" so to speak, as a skilled scalper.

Someone that is able to extract the market for the smallest of movement, into his/her own personal profit.
you still aren't a 'manipulator', you didn't manipulate anything really ..

but a hypothetical question : what would you do one day if you made a 1lot trade and it moved the market?
  • #365,829
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:24pm Jan 16, 2011 10:24pm
Quoting apt
We'll probably be at a one world currency by then, don't you think? mebbe.
Sure, ..............................What currency they use in Hell? Need to buy some.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #365,830
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:26pm Jan 16, 2011 10:26pm
it seems difficult to predict the trend
on m5 there is equilibrium; the triple stochastic shows most probable future uptrend
on H4 according to my indicators uptrend is not yet finished, althought they also show equilibrium.

possibility? scalping for few pips here and there

by the way, is anybody here who could code an ea for me? the description is here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post4316829
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  • #365,831
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:30pm Jan 16, 2011 10:30pm
Quoting bodisatva
it seems difficult to predict the trend
........................
by the way, is anybody here who could code an ea for me? the description is here:
http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...29#post4316829
Why you have to predict it? Just wait.

Here is your EA (Expert Advisor), just click:
Inserted Video
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #365,832
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:32pm Jan 16, 2011 10:32pm
We are speculators, and according to the article, it's a good thing

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/arti...eculators.html

Quoting mfoste1
no we are market participants, not manipulators....the latter try to mislead or create false appearances or prices
  • #365,833
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:34pm Jan 16, 2011 10:34pm
Quoting Chicky
Why you have to predict it? Just wait.

Here is your EA (Expert Advisor), just click: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEVU-...layer_embedded
where do I have to click? with your link I get only to youtube
- May Buddha bless you.
  • #365,834
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:36pm Jan 16, 2011 10:36pm
Quoting bodisatva
where do I have to click?
OK. Just wait.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #365,835
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:37pm Jan 16, 2011 10:37pm
  •  apt
  • | Joined Oct 2010 | Status: All your cookies are belong to me. | 1,114 Posts
Quoting mikej2010
you still aren't a 'manipulator', you didn't manipulate anything really ..

but a hypothetical question : what would you do one day if you made a 1lot trade and it moved the market?
Well it's not manipulation in the sense that you're causing movement or an effect, you're a manipulator in the manner that you are using the markets movements to your own advantage.

Ie. You have a friend, and you tell him to give you $10 everyday. He does it.

You manipulate one variable to create an effect and produce a variable ( Your increase in capital )

Ie 2 ( My example ). You have a friend who leaves $10 on his kitchen table everyday. You take it.

You've manipulated and taken advantage of an effect to create a variable ( Your increase in capital )

Or maybe I'm stretching the definition of manipulation too far lol.


And to your hypothetical question, yeah, I would continue making those trades to move the market in my favor. I'm sure everybody would. Wouldn't you?
  • #365,836
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:40pm Jan 16, 2011 10:40pm
Quoting bodisatva
where do I have to click? with your link I get only to youtube
Try here.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...0&postcount=28
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #365,837
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:41pm Jan 16, 2011 10:41pm
Quoting attila
We are speculators, and according to the article, it's a good thing

http://www.realclearmarkets.com/arti...eculators.html
good article
US Dollar is trash... Get out of that Ponzi scheme !!!
  • #365,838
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:43pm Jan 16, 2011 10:43pm
Quoting apt
Well it's not manipulation in the sense that you're causing movement or an effect, you're a manipulator in the manner that you are using the markets movements to your own advantage.

Ie. You have a friend, and you tell him to give you $10 everyday. He does it.

You manipulate one variable to create an effect and produce a variable ( Your increase in capital )

Ie 2 ( My example ). You have a friend who leaves $10 on his kitchen table everyday. You take it.

You've manipulated and taken advantage of an effect to create a variable ( Your increase...
Yes ... you have MANIPULATED the meaning of MANIPULATE in your example ..
  • #365,839
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:44pm Jan 16, 2011 10:44pm
Quoting Chicky
Try here.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...0&postcount=28
you r genius; you can use the video as an ea on mt4
can you convert it to ex4 or mq4?
- May Buddha bless you.
  • #365,840
  • Jan 16, 2011 10:44pm Jan 16, 2011 10:44pm
Quoting Chicky
Try here.
http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...0&postcount=28
i like your article.

Thanks
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