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  • #16,501
  • Edited 3:39am Jan 6, 2011 2:27am | Edited 3:39am
GU:

The PA-Volume study shows repeated examples of buying into lows and coming off of lows, which I have marked. Essentially, this has the look of consolidating below a SR level (top of rectangle), in preparations for a break up thru that SR level. No single WAVE stands out, but there has been a string of higher lows and higher highs thru this consolidation time.

There is a high impact GBP release coming up, which might be a catalyst. Four hours later there will be a high impact USD release. So, one senario is that the GBP release triggers the move on up, with 4 hours for the PPMs to unload the longs into the top of the drive up and spend the rest of the time acquiring a short position.

WARNING: Speculation!

Edit: Added 2nd chart, an M1 chart showing that just 3 minutes before the release, the PPMs torpedoed the price on high trading. They were taking out stops on the trades of others that had too tight of a SL, increasing liquidity and making those long trades become their own! The downside pressure is coaxing longs to cave in and give up their positions to the PPMs, as the volume builds at the lows around the whole number.

WARNING: Speculation!
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  • #16,502
  • Jan 6, 2011 4:09am Jan 6, 2011 4:09am
hello TAH
please i want to discuss with u 1 strategy i follow it using ur system and plz give me ur opinion TAH becoz u r our teacher
it makes me 119 pipes last time and just now make me 54 pipes
the picture
i have daily fibo, the main trend is down as daily fibo indicate
so GU shud go up till 1 level of fibo and retrace
and i have secand fibo is following ur stratey of the first leg for short trade
so i can trade shortly using secand fibo
and long as now using daily fibo
daily fibo is green
leg fibo is yellow
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  • #16,503
  • Edited 5:15am Jan 6, 2011 4:41am | Edited 5:15am
Quoting am_abdeslam
hello TAH
please i want to discuss with u 1 strategy i follow it using ur system and plz give me ur opinion TAH becoz u r our teacher
it makes me 119 pipes last time and just now make me 54 pipes
the picture
i have daily fibo, the main trend is down as daily fibo indicate
so GU shud go up till 1 level of fibo and retrace
and i have secand fibo is following ur stratey of the first leg for short trade
so i can trade shortly using secand fibo
and long as now using daily fibo
daily fibo is green
leg fibo is yellow
One can go crazy with all those fibo lines!

Price tends to move between whole numbers, sometimes between whole and whole + half numbers. I try to keep that in mind, especially when the PPMs start to whipsaw the price. It usually means they are position building for the next run between whole numbers (or between a whole number and the next whole + half number, etc.).

In this case, we already had a run down from whole number to whole number. And if the PPMs are seeking to build a position for a run up, they might whip the price severly below the starting whole number support area.

But one has to be careful. If price gets too far below a whole number, is it position builiding for a run up, or is it part of a run down to the next lower half number or whole number? That is the tricky part. But you can see on the chart there is additional support below the whole number that will start the next run up. This additional support is marked with a green line.

If the additional support level holds, then we might get the 100+ pip run up. If not, then price could fall 70ish pips to the next lower whole number, or maybe stop just 20ish pips below, at the half number. This uncertainty as to how the PPMs are going to manipulate prices is why I start trades very small. If the move goes continually against me, I can at least take advantage at the extreme of any swings, thus bettering my odds at profit on later retraces.

My problem is not waiting for the London open-close to trade, and so I get into difficulty frequently. And I have to then be very patient and careful to manage adds to the trade so I can eventually be profitable. This is NOT recommended trading. Eventually, I will learn to restrain myself and WAIT for a proper SonicR setup DURING approved hours!

Please, DO NOT attempt to trade like this. Let's all get better at trading the Sonic R System. I only post updates on such trades because I want to maintain full disclosure of how an originally posted trade eventually turns out.

Hope this helps,
-TAH
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  • #16,504
  • Jan 6, 2011 5:39am Jan 6, 2011 5:39am
EJ:

As a continuation of the previous post, here is my outlook for this pair.

I entered long in the asian session. Since then the PPMs have moved price down. Ok. It is now "basing" around a whole number. And I have added to my original EP at a lower price.

Will price go lower, higher? I don't know. But this base is higher than the previous. And I have used the simple FE tool to demonstrate where price might go, once the PPMs get finished building their long positions (assuming that is what they are doing). As you can see, the FE 100% target lies near a whole number. And the FE 162% target is not that far below the next higher whole number. Even the FE 262% target is near a whole number.

My outlook for this pair is that it next goes higher, not lower. But I could be wrong. And if I am, it won't be for the first time, either.
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  • #16,505
  • Jan 6, 2011 6:30am Jan 6, 2011 6:30am
EU:

PA has pretty much finished the run down from the double top, or "M". The FE tool 200% level is reached (a whole number area), and that might be the end. If so, the PPMs will now be building their long postions for a run up....a retrace/pullback run.

WARNING: Speculation!
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  • #16,506
  • Edited 7:47am Jan 6, 2011 6:50am | Edited 7:47am
GU:

There is less than an hour before a high impact USD release. The PPMs torpedoed the price earlier. Since then it looks like they have been building positions. The price is starting to drift up. The attached chart depicts one senario for the balance of the day.

Edit: Added 2nd chart. Get ready.......

WARNING: Speculation!
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  • #16,507
  • Jan 6, 2011 7:13am Jan 6, 2011 7:13am
Hello everyone,
I am quite new in the trading business and recently I began using the sonic system. I think it's a verry good system, i have a +500 pips in about 3 weeks and this is quite good for me. So I want to thank everyone here especially TAH for his advices.
  • #16,508
  • Jan 6, 2011 8:25am Jan 6, 2011 8:25am
Quoting traderathome
One can go crazy with all those fibo lines!

Price tends to move between whole numbers, sometimes between whole and whole + half numbers. I try to keep that in mind, especially when the PPMs start to whipsaw the price. It usually means they are position building for the next run between whole numbers (or between a whole number and the next whole + half number, etc.).

In this case, we already had a run down from whole number to whole number. And if the PPMs are seeking to build a position for a run up, they might whip the price severly below...
i read all that u wrote and i wait for matter of fact
really fantastic!!! now GU going up and it doesnt hold the support level the green one
veryy good TAH
  • #16,509
  • Jan 6, 2011 8:28am Jan 6, 2011 8:28am
Quoting To0m
Hello everyone,
I am quite new in the trading business and recently I began using the sonic system. I think it's a verry good system, i have a +500 pips in about 3 weeks and this is quite good for me. So I want to thank everyone here especially TAH for his advices.
Welcome, ToOm! And congratulations on your early success with the Sonic R System.

I am sure Sonicdeejay will be pleased to hear that someone new to trading (i.e., has no bad habits yet developed) can take this method and run with it, and be profitable early on! Well actually, I believe he already knows this, but will be pleased to see another example.

Thank you for posting that, ToOm,
-traderathome
  • #16,510
  • Jan 6, 2011 8:29am Jan 6, 2011 8:29am
While GU is heading north...

I did solve the problem.
You have to adjust the GMToffset in the Editor and then recompile
After this it stays "+1"

It's that easy

Quoting traderathome
Two things occur to me to have you try, since I cannot replicate the problem.

1. Open MetaEditor, make the setting the way you want, and hit the compile button to recompile it. Then on the chart, test the external input to see if the problem is gone.

2. Go to FXDD site and download their MT4 demo and install the indys and template. Try your experiment with them. I am wondering if there is something different between broker platforms that might be causing this, although that should never be the case.

Please try and let me know results. I downloaded...
  • #16,511
  • Jan 6, 2011 8:31am Jan 6, 2011 8:31am
Quoting traderathome
GU:

There is less than an hour before a high impact USD release. The PPMs torpedoed the price earlier. Since then it looks like they have been building positions. The price is starting to drift up. The attached chart depicts one senario for the balance of the day.

Edit: Added 2nd chart. Get ready.......

WARNING: Speculation!
Pls, kindly explain further why you would have an EP there. .....to me, I will still be thinking that the price has broken the recent high.

Thanks.
  • #16,512
  • Edited 11:05am Jan 6, 2011 8:39am | Edited 11:05am
Quoting bennyFX
While GU is heading north...

I did solve the problem.
You have to adjust the GMToffset in the Editor and then recompile
After this it stays "+1"

It's that easy
Benny, while resting, an idea came to me. Maybe the name of the variable is equal to, or too much alike to some variable used within the non-accessible MT4 function code. So, it has me wondering, what if we change the name to anything else, like...

from: "DST_Server_GMT_Offset"
to: "DSTbroker_GMToffset"

Make this change and hit compile, and it will let you see the other places to copy over the new name where the variable is used. When the compile is finished correctly, see if the problem has gone away.

Also, does your SonicR TzPivots indy exhibit the same problem with "DST_Server_GMT_Offset"?

-TAH
  • #16,513
  • Jan 6, 2011 8:47am Jan 6, 2011 8:47am
Quoting watchout4me
Pls, kindly explain further why you would have an EP there. .....to me, I will still be thinking that the price has broken the recent high.

Thanks.
I assume you are referring to the EP area rectangle. I refer you to:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...ostcount=16322

The rectangle is the area where the entry order would be placed, per those few, simple instructions. You will also note that the area is the same as past highs. That makes sense for a possible breakout. The black line is my entry average, as explained in previous posts.
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  • #16,514
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:07am Jan 6, 2011 9:07am
Quoting traderathome
I assume you are referring to the EP area rectangle. I refer you to:

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...ostcount=16322

The rectangle is the area where the entry order would be placed, per those few, simple instructions. You will also note that the area is the same as past highs. That makes sense for a possible breakout. The black line is my entry average, as explained in previous posts.
now GU going down
so why TAH?ist PPMs want to build another long position if the level addit hold the move down
Regards and thank u for these great information
  • #16,515
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:11am Jan 6, 2011 9:11am
Hi! Is there a demo version of this system?
  • #16,516
  • Edited 9:23am Jan 6, 2011 9:12am | Edited 9:23am
Quoting am_abdeslam
now GU going down
so why TAH?ist PPMs want to build another long position if the level addit hold the move down
Regards and thank u for these great information
The whole number is SR area that was broken up thru. Now PA has come back down to "test" it as support. In actuality, these are just "nice terms" that allude to PA behaviour driven by the greed of the PPMs, who are making another run on stops etc., to pick up longs. Remember, only the asian/euro PPMs were involved in the first run down. Now it is the US PPMs turn. The real run has not begun....maybe not until tomorrow. This is how I see it, anyway.
  • #16,517
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:15am Jan 6, 2011 9:15am
Quoting traderathome
EU:

Looks to be setting up also. A 50% retrace of yesterdays decline will put PA just above the RgH target.
Hi, TAH!
That was your signal, and as we see now the price has gone in another direction. Such positions do you close on the SL or are you their hand closes?
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  • #16,518
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:33am Jan 6, 2011 9:33am
Quoting RonaldinhoKuban
Hi, TAH!
That was your signal, and as we see now the price has gone in another direction. Such positions do you close on the SL or are you their hand closes?
The US PPMs have driven price to the bottom of the range....a position building move to acquire longs. That is my take, anyway. So I'd suggest watching it for a long setup, as I originally did. We simply get a lower price when it does provide a valid setup. The long setup I was waiting for never developed because price never traversed the EP zone.
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  • #16,519
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:35am Jan 6, 2011 9:35am
Quoting traderathome
The US PPMs have driven price to the bottom of the range....a position building move to acquire longs. That is my take, anyway. So I'd suggest watching it for a long setup, as I originally did. We simply get a lower price when it does provide a valid setup. The long setup I was waiting for never developed.
Thanks for answer, TAH!
To have you do not close such positions?
  • #16,520
  • Jan 6, 2011 9:46am Jan 6, 2011 9:46am
Quoting RonaldinhoKuban
Thanks for answer, TAH!
To have you do not close such positions?
In the post, I said it "looks to be setting up.....". I don't recall ever saying anything about yet entering!
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