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  • #327,041
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:11pm Nov 16, 2010 3:11pm
Quoting PriceVolume
Somebody, somewhere is saying: "See, I told you this EZ shit was a f@$&ing stupid idea!"
yeah it will go to a single gov. no other choice but it will take years
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  • #327,042
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:11pm Nov 16, 2010 3:11pm
Quoting 45Condor
Should anyone consider more polemics after the trail left today on this thread, may I suggest a calming pill in the form of some music.
Nice ... Thank you for sharing
  • #327,043
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:14pm Nov 16, 2010 3:14pm
Quoting DMA Trader
yeah it will go to a single gov. no other choice but it will take years
dreams come true.
  • #327,044
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:14pm Nov 16, 2010 3:14pm
Quoting dejv
hm...still so much to learn.

I had a sell order at 1,3623 and cancel it because reading FF and lost my confidence..

change entry level for 1,3660 and...we are where we are..

have a plan and trade your plan no matter what people are saying/writing
would u be sayin the same thing if it had worked on ur favor?..
  • #327,045
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:15pm Nov 16, 2010 3:15pm
Quoting zaphy
Sure, but what exactly can they say when (1) Ireland up to this point has refused (on quite reasonable grounds) to take the pill, (2) Austria is refusing to pay the Greeks. I don't think a 'everything is gonna be OK' will do. Unfortunately, I am unable to connect to the broadcast, but I reckon nothing is going to change after the conference. You still have OPEX to get some volatility!
the Irish don't need that money. they don't want more debt.
the banks need more money to hide all those bad assets.

they only care about the banks.
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  • #327,046
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:15pm Nov 16, 2010 3:15pm
Well, I wouldn't expect anything different from a poet, by their nature they tend to be idealist, living on a cloud 7 or was it 9...

EU would be much more prosperous as a economic union without EUR and bureaucrats in Brussels.

Quoting DMA Trader
in a speech this morning, EU President Herman Van Rompuy (poet, and writer of Japanese and Latin verse) warned that if Europe’s leaders mishandle the current crisis and allow the eurozone to break up, they will destroy European Union itself.
“We’re in a survival crisis. We all have to work together in order to survive with the euro zone, because if we don’t survive with the euro zone we will not survive with the European Union,” he said.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance...ropes-leaders/...
  • #327,047
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:16pm Nov 16, 2010 3:16pm
Quoting mima
it started

http://video.consilium.europa.eu/ind...sessionno=3169
Thanks - great link, even if the video facility and the EU's seeming obsession with this costs tens of millions yearly. Too bad Olli Rehn is so difficult to understand and impersonal - makes the EU doublespeak that much more difficult to interpret.
  • #327,048
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:17pm Nov 16, 2010 3:17pm
Quoting cloggie
Brussels press conference started of with their dissapointment that they could not get Ireland to accept a bailout package. The Irish are just to proud to go cap in hand to the EU/IMF.

Eu wanted a deal, Ireland refused, we will have more confusion tomorrow in the markets. No deal, no security for the euro. Now lets see how the Irish spreads are going and let's see what the big ones are going to do Spain/Portugal/France/Italy.

Anyone selling dollars is of his rocker right now, keep an eye on the EU tomorrow. Lots more meetings tomorrow in Brussels....
if i remember correct we had same thing with Greece over and over again.
they all come together to talk and go home without any concrete fact.

they want now to get money from UK for Irish and Greek.

I'm curious if the ECB is going to go on QE Trichet always reacts to anything rather then BB. He is of course concern about inflation
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  • #327,049
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:17pm Nov 16, 2010 3:17pm
Quoting DMA Trader
the Irish don't need that money. they don't want more debt.
the banks need more money to hide all those bad assets.

they only care about the banks.
You got it, Ireland itself only needs 9 bill to get through 2011, the banks over there need 120Bn, now and possibly another 300Bn later, Ireland is saying tough sh!t guys for now. However once the spreads start widening furhter and the LDR's start creeping over 200 they will have to do something or else their country will come to a standstill.

This is just politicing from Ireland until the budget comes out in 4 weeks, they will then have to accept a bailout for the banks, but at least they save political face.
  • #327,050
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:19pm Nov 16, 2010 3:19pm
Quoting DMA Trader
if i remember correct we had same thing with Greece over and over again.
they all come together to talk and go home without any concrete fact.

they want now to get money from UK for Irish and Greek.

I'm curious if the ECB is going to go on QE Trichet always reacts to anything rather then BB. He is of course concern about inflation

Trichet can't print money, so he cannot use QE as a tool, he can however buy bonds so that's one way of doing it, another tool he has is US swaps to strengthen his balance sheet.

I can see Cameron quicly attacking other countries that can not balance their deficit, he hates the EU.
  • #327,051
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:19pm Nov 16, 2010 3:19pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
dreams come true.
i don;t think there is other way to do it.
German people bailing out everybody without ruling them ?
maybe in 10 years. this all leads to a central gov.
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  • #327,052
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:21pm Nov 16, 2010 3:21pm
Quoting DMA Trader
i don;t think there is other way to do it.
German people bailing out everybody without ruling them ?
maybe in 10 years. this all leads to a central gov.

Central Gov is not the issue, an independent and fully mandated ECB is and that will never happen under these conditions, too many EU members will rally against it, Nordic, Holland and the UK as a minimum.
  • #327,053
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:23pm Nov 16, 2010 3:23pm
Quoting cloggie
You got it, Ireland itself only needs 9 bill to get through 2011, the banks over there need 120Bn, now and possibly another 300Bn later, Ireland is saying tough sh!t guys for now. However once the spreads start widening furhter and the LDR's start creeping over 200 they will have to do something or else their country will come to a standstill.

This is just politicing from Ireland until the budget comes out in 4 weeks, they will then have to accept a bailout for the banks, but at least they save political face.
exactly. nice post
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  • #327,054
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:23pm Nov 16, 2010 3:23pm
Quoting DMA Trader
i don;t think there is other way to do it.
German people bailing out everybody without ruling them ?
maybe in 10 years. this all leads to a central gov.
there are nearly 230 million people inside ez that don't want a single government.
  • #327,055
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm
Quoting Traderji
I don't get Elliott Wave theory. It just seems so random and subjective. Very loosely defined rules and large number of nested waves, you can make it fit any chart.

There are 3 people, who I see, post Elliott wave analysis on this thread and they are almost consistently wrong. And they also tend to spin on a dime and have a ready excuse for why their analysis failed.

I am curious if anyone on this thread actually gets consistent correct signals from Elliott wave?
Hi Traderji,

welcome to this message board. What are your contributions so far? Eighth message and spying venom.....

Have you ever placed an analysis here? Have you ever set your opinion, analysis, trades to the public here? What is wrong with the fact to be wrong sometimes in trading business? If you do not know the answer, go back to babypips.

Can you show me a forecasting method that is totally objective or contains no human interpretation? There is no such thing. If you have one, feel free to share. There should be no subjectivity in interpreting Elliott waves patterns. There is a set of rules and guidelines for that interpretation. They are written down in our bible "Elliott Wave Principle". Interpretation gives you only the most probable scenario, sometimes more than one. And not a sure one. But, as Prechter once said, "people mislabel probabilistic forecasting as subjectivity. And subjectivity or bias can ruin that value, just as in any other approach. Sometimes we screw up..."

So I may invite you to not spy venom over Elliott Wave Analysis and provide your own analysis here, day in, day out. At the end of the year we can see, who was right or wrong more often.

But If you like to piss in the face of the three people here "which are consistently wrong, tend to spin a dime (care to comment where) and have ready excuses for their faulty analysis" then I would say: get lost.

Thats all.....

Markus
  • #327,056
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm
Quoting Mr Hatch
there are nearly 230 million people inside ez that don't want a single government.
of course they don't but nobody will ask them
in a few years they will all be slaves of debt.
so nobody will have anything to decide by then.
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  • #327,057
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm Nov 16, 2010 3:25pm
Quoting cloggie
Central Gov is not the issue, an independent and fully mandated ECB is and that will never happen under these conditions, too many EU members will rally against it, Nordic, Holland and the UK as a minimum.
I cannot imagine Germany being willing to pay the bulk of the bills. In addition, most countries would be afraid of giving up their national identity, and some countries, like France, were never that thrilled with the idea of the EU anyway.

Yes, a dream, but not likely to become reality.
  • #327,058
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:26pm Nov 16, 2010 3:26pm
Quoting PriceVolume
Somebody, somewhere is saying: "See, I told you this EZ shit was a f@$&ing stupid idea!"
or maybe some one is saying """" next step towards world domination... activated..""""" lol..
  • #327,059
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:26pm Nov 16, 2010 3:26pm
Quoting cloggie
Brussels press conference started of with their dissapointment that they could not get Ireland to accept a bailout package. The Irish are just to proud to go cap in hand to the EU/IMF.

Eu wanted a deal, Ireland refused, we will have more confusion tomorrow in the markets. No deal, no security for the euro. Now lets see how the Irish spreads are going and let's see what the big ones are going to do Spain/Portugal/France/Italy.

Anyone selling dollars is of his rocker right now, keep an eye on the EU tomorrow. Lots more meetings tomorrow in Brussels....
So your general view is some senseless volatility tomorrow as meetings start and end, but no proper retrace and drop?
  • #327,060
  • Nov 16, 2010 3:27pm Nov 16, 2010 3:27pm
Quoting DMA Trader
of course they don't but nobody will ask them
in a few years they will all be slaves of debt.
so nobody will have anything to decide by then.
in berlin people have started to kill each other for food again.
think again.
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