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  • #14,621
  • Sep 24, 2010 11:28am Sep 24, 2010 11:28am
Quoting Basber
3-4 good sonicr setups accure averagely every week. Try to catch those.
Hi Basber,
That is very important I think. Thank's for pointing this out.
I forced myslef to be able to stay out when "nothing" is happening. It was probably the most difficult thing I have met in trading - Not to trade.

TAH:
I disagree with the note: "Divergence is not a part of SonicR." In the SonicR manual Sonicdeejay writes: "Look out for a divergence."
Furthermore, if there are indicators in SonicR system, we can use them fully.
For me, divergence is very strong tool.
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  • #14,622
  • Edited 12:02pm Sep 24, 2010 11:39am | Edited 12:02pm
Quoting Pumlitch
Hi Basber,
That is very important I think. Thank's for pointing this out.
I forced myslef to be able to stay out when "nothing" is happening. It was probably the most difficult thing I have met in trading - Not to trade.

TAH:
I disagree with the note: "Divergence is not a part of SonicR." In the SonicR manual Sonicdeejay writes: "Look out for a divergence."
Furthermore, if there are indicators in SonicR system, we can use them fully.
For me, divergence is very strong tool.
Actually, Pumlitch, the only SonicR manual that Sonicdeejay himself wrote, and still places within the very first post, is the one attached below. There is no mention of divergence/convergence. I agree that convergence/divergence is an almost infallible indicator. It is just that PA can continue, and continue, and continue......, while we wait for the inevitable. And during that time there can be, yes, trades in the opposite direction! Do you agree?
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  • #14,623
  • Sep 24, 2010 12:00pm Sep 24, 2010 12:00pm
GU:

Here is another example of SonicR. The WAVE is a bit spread out, so this is not an "Perfect" setup.....but good nonetheless!
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  • #14,624
  • Sep 24, 2010 12:06pm Sep 24, 2010 12:06pm
Quoting traderathome
Actually, Pumlitch, the only SonicR manual that Sonicdeejay himself wrote and still places within the very first post is the one attached below. There is no mention of divergence/convergence. I agree that convergence/divergence is an almost infallible indicator. It is just that PA can continue, and continue, and continue......, while we wait for the inevitable. And during that time there can be, yes, trades in the opposite direction! Do you agree?
Hehe and this:
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I agree with you of course, but divergence doesn't says that a reverse move is going to happen. It just says that the current trend is getting weaker. What wil happen then? Nobody knows.. Let the market decide
Divergence (hidden or regular) can help us to be ready. This is the way how I understand and use the divergence.

EDIT: Of course, it is not a problem for me to accept that the divergence is not a part of the core of SonicR. It is just something what can give us one more view.
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  • #14,625
  • Edited 1:52pm Sep 24, 2010 12:18pm | Edited 1:52pm
Basber wrote that each week averages 3 to 4 SonicR setups. This week was no exception in EUville....a 450 pip opportunity! And all 4 SonicR setups initiated during Approved Hours. Also from the chart below, you can understand why Sonicdeejay shys away from trading the first session of the week.
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  • #14,626
  • Sep 24, 2010 12:28pm Sep 24, 2010 12:28pm
Quoting Pumlitch
Hehe and this:
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I agree with you of course, but divergence doesn't says that a reverse move is going to happen. It just says that the current trend is getting weaker. What wil happen then? Nobody knows.. Let the market decide
Divergence (hidden or regular) can help us to be ready. This is the way how I understand and use the divergence.

EDIT: Of course, it is not a problem for me to accept that the divergence is not a part of the core of SonicR. It is just something what can give us one more view.
Basber is authoring a new SonicR manual which, to my knowledge, does not refer to divergence (or convergence). As you say, Pumlitch, it is a sign of weakening trend which "suggests" inevitable change. The problem is with the "inevitable", because many cycles of weakening can occur before the "inevitable" arrives. And during all that time, PA can present SonicR trades in both directions. So, it really adds nothing.

SonicR, right place, right time....and ruthless money management because PA can change on a dime. That nails it, but that is just my opinion. My foremost problem is not enforcing ruthless money management.....but I am working on it. My adherence to trading only SonicR "right place, right time" setups will improve, also.
  • #14,627
  • Sep 24, 2010 12:48pm Sep 24, 2010 12:48pm
Quoting traderathome
Basber is authoring a new SonicR manual which, to my knowledge, does not refer to divergence (or convergence). As you say, Pumlitch, it is a sign of weakening trend which "suggests" inevitable change. The problem is with the "inevitable", because many cycles of weakening can occur before the "inevitable" arrives. And during all that time, PA can present SonicR trades in both directions. So, it really adds nothing.

SonicR, right place, right time....and ruthless money management because PA can change on a dime....
I'm looking forward to see the new SonicR manual.
Have a nice weekend guys!
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  • #14,628
  • Sep 24, 2010 9:37pm Sep 24, 2010 9:37pm
Quoting Basber
Hi everyone,

It's very useful and important to understand the main concept behind moves of the market, even if it's not for sure. But putting a lot of time/energy in it will distract you from the thing that gathered us here, and that's SonicR.

I suggest for those who are new to this method, when you don't see a setup, don't exhaust your mind on "now", go read the thread, test the "past", trade with trading simulator that I've posted here and there are lots of them in forexfactory, make a journal of your trades and then work on you weaknesses....
I agree with you on keeping it simple,by plotting support and resistance and getting in on a sonic wave for entry.I believe that the sonicr is a very useful tool to get you in the market with a good risk reward.That is how I use the sonicr,but the way I learnd how to trade was to understand the WHY price does this and that,that is the only reason why I could use the sonicr succssesfully.But in the future I would keep the WHY to myself and just post sonicr entries.
  • #14,629
  • Sep 25, 2010 7:08am Sep 25, 2010 7:08am
Quoting fxbullseye
I agree with you on keeping it simple,by plotting support and resistance and getting in on a sonic wave for entry.I believe that the sonicr is a very useful tool to get you in the market with a good risk reward.That is how I use the sonicr,but the way I learnd how to trade was to understand the WHY price does this and that,that is the only reason why I could use the sonicr succssesfully.But in the future I would keep the WHY to myself and just post sonicr entries.
Understanding what is happening in the market is very important and you can't succeed sonicr without understanding why wave works, why S&R works, how does it work and etc. By understanding these concepts, you can master this method, it just needs time. I've mentioned many times that this method is not for people who are new to forex, it's for people who spent time in this business and want to find a method to work with. They should have a good understanding from the forex.

This thing I've mentioned was digging too much in this "why"s . As you know, even when you think you know why, you may be completely wrong and there is no source to find out whether someone is write or wrong. As I mentioned in my previous post, understanding moves is important but putting alot energy to understand every days move, I believe is a waste of time.

May I ask, these concepts made you money or your entries with sonicr ? as you see in TAH's post, in previous week there was very good sonicR entries, but because many traders expecting for a reverse, they missed all of them. But it's the best thing that could happen to them. They may enter the trade by these kind of theories and that will damage their accounts.

All explanations and hypothesis and there is no way to prove it, unless you have connections in wall street

I never said don't understand the method, I said don't get too much involved in it ...

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #14,630
  • Sep 25, 2010 3:41pm Sep 25, 2010 3:41pm
Quoting Basber
Understanding what is happening in the market is very important and you can't succeed sonicr without understanding why wave works, why S&R works, how does it work and etc. By understanding these concepts, you can master this method, it just needs time. I've mentioned many times that this method is not for people who are new to forex, it's for people who spent time in this business and want to find a method to work with. They should have a good understanding from the forex.

This thing I've mentioned was digging too much in this "why"s . As you...
The sonicr in my trading strategy is used as an entry to the market.Its a big part of my strategy and yes ive made money using the sonicr.I use my other concepts to filter some entries,I dont get in on all of them just the ones with high probability.I do take profit daily by using the daily pivot resistance,but sometimes I stay in a trade long term, using fib extensions on higher time frames,and adding to my trades as the market pullsback and gives me another sonicr entry.Fib retacement and fib extentions are a big part of my strategy allowing me to make big profit,and the sonicr helps me get in with small stop loss.I got in on the big move friday on the gbp/usd,getting in when price action did not brake the .50 spychological level and crossed the dragon on 15 minute chart put my stop below the low created and got out on the d extension on the 60 min chart 10 pips below 1.5800. My concept is very helpful for me and adding the sonicr to it has made it better.But I will not post any trades on this forum if i get in the market with my concepts,because this forum is just for sonicr entries,I did the past couple of days,but I am going to respect the creators of this forum and only post true sonicr entries.The sonicr strategy by itself works great,everything else ive learned cost me money,the sonicr was free but very useful,and it does make me money.
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  • #14,631
  • Sep 25, 2010 3:50pm Sep 25, 2010 3:50pm
Quoting fxbullseye
The sonicr in my trading strategy is used as an entry to the market.Its a big part of my strategy and yes ive made money using the sonicr.I use my other concepts to filter some entries,I dont get in on all of them just the ones with high probability.I do take profit daily by using the daily pivot resistance,but sometimes I stay in a trade long term, using fib extensions on higher time frames,and adding to my trades as the market pullsback and gives me another sonicr entry.Fib retacement and fib extentions are a big part of my strategy allowing me...
That's exactly what I do when I enter with sonicR entries. Then let's have some fun getting pips from losers

It's the way everyone should treat this method ... It's not "the guru", it's just a way to get pips. Filtering by understanding the main concepts is very hard and you done that. I think you had experienced this market well before you come to sonicR, and that's the way it works ...

Have a nice weekend

Regards,
Basber
Trading methods are designed to put the odds in our favor, not predicting.
  • #14,632
  • Edited 7:51pm Sep 26, 2010 7:40pm | Edited 7:51pm
FxBullseye, Basber........the GU trade that Fxbullseye is referring to as a trade that set up on H1, for which the FE tool was used but which was entered as a quasi-sonicr when PA closed above the Dragon, was indeed a full and PURE SonicR long trade setup. I'll stick to the H1 to show this, but with the Dragon configured to the M15 time frame.

The FE tool actually describes the first two legs of the SonicR WAVE. At FE(c), PA found support at the half number, bounced and took off upwards....starting the run up that would breakout the Dragon at the London Open. if one simply entered at the whole number, the trip to FE 127% was 105 pips. Heck, just whole number to whole number was 100 pips!

All this off of the H1 chart makes it easy to see all the elements of SonicR are there: WAVE bouncing off of major support of half number (S&R), preceding increased trading activity leading to Dragon breakout, the Dragon breakout and all this happening during "Approved Hours".
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  • #14,633
  • Sep 26, 2010 10:22pm Sep 26, 2010 10:22pm
Quoting traderathome
FxBullseye, Basber........the GU trade that Fxbullseye is referring to as a trade that set up on H1, for which the FE tool was used but which was entered as a quasi-sonicr when PA closed above the Dragon, was indeed a full and PURE SonicR long trade setup. I'll stick to the H1 to show this, but with the Dragon configured to the M15 time frame.

The FE tool actually describes the first two legs of the SonicR WAVE. At FE(c), PA found support at the half number, bounced and took off upwards....starting the run up that would breakout the Dragon at...
Youre right,I really didnt see it that way.Thanks for bringing that up.the sonicr is a great method and this forum also.The traders in this forum know what there talking about.Looking foward on making many pips with all of the members of this forum.Good look to all on the week ahead. http://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon7.gifhttp://cdn.forexfactory.com/images/icons/icon7.gif
  • #14,634
  • Sep 27, 2010 12:12am Sep 27, 2010 12:12am
Sonic thanks for the great stuff and putting together a solid method, I am testing it out along with adding some related methods. Still trying to get it right
  • #14,635
  • Sep 27, 2010 1:00am Sep 27, 2010 1:00am
Quoting EricF
Sonic thanks for the great stuff and putting together a solid method, I am testing it out along with adding some related methods. Still trying to get it right
Hi EricF,

The majority of folks that arrive here, do so with a bag of their favorite, already collected, FX "stuff", which they try to mesh with SonicR.

It doesn't work.

I would encourage all such folks to ferret out ddaytraders posts here on the thread. He held high the banner, "Keep SonicR Pure and Simple!", and demonstrated just how well SonicR can work if it is not bogged down with a bunch of other stuff.

Welcome, and good trading to you, EricF.
  • #14,636
  • Sep 27, 2010 1:52am Sep 27, 2010 1:52am
EJ:

Might be worth keeping an eye out for a short here. It could reverse, but right now we do have the WAVE and preceding increasing activity once PA hit the highs and started down. Dragon previously started the angle down. And this is all happening at the half number S&R area.
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  • #14,637
  • Sep 27, 2010 2:00am Sep 27, 2010 2:00am
I will folow the 4 h trend and I will waith for a long situation with eur/jpy
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  • #14,638
  • Sep 27, 2010 2:08am Sep 27, 2010 2:08am
I am more of a no frills trader, I come from the pennyland side of the markets and found that best. In forex I am looking at all these indicators and have read most of your thread, another 20 or so more pages to go. I notice you have changed your indicator list through out the years and trying to figure out the most updated. I have only started the Sonic R method and up till now replied on candles, s/r, trending. I like your approach and that is what I want to add to what I do already, I am only in demo but looking to go live after I show profit the Sonic way Still working through looking at the chart in waves and seeing the true trend. I am going to go through chart after chart and break down things to get a second nature view of the movement.


Quoting traderathome
Hi EricF,

The majority of folks that arrive here, do so with a bag of their favorite, already collected, FX "stuff", which they try to mesh with SonicR.

It doesn't work.

I would encourage all such folks to ferret out ddaytraders posts here on the thread. He held high the banner, "Keep SonicR Pure and Simple!", and demonstrated just how well SonicR can work if it is not bogged down with a bunch of other stuff.

Welcome, and good trading to you, EricF.
  • #14,639
  • Sep 27, 2010 2:14am Sep 27, 2010 2:14am
Quoting Doncex
I will folow the 4 h trend and I will waith for a long situation with eur/jpy
Yes, it could go either way. Attached chart shows why I thought short.
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  • #14,640
  • Sep 27, 2010 2:30am Sep 27, 2010 2:30am
Quoting traderathome
Yes, it could go either way. Attached chart shows why I thought short.

Tah your post are always instructive ,thanks
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