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  • #291,161
  • Sep 10, 2010 3:19pm Sep 10, 2010 3:19pm
Quoting mokonni
Excuse my ignorance - it's important for newbies to understand how a "normal" StopLoss works:


http://www.contracts-for-difference....op-losses.html

http://www.atlas-broker.net/services/faq.htm


Nalozi "Stop Loss" (S/L) određeni na locirane pozicije izvršavaju se po prvim cijenama na tržištu;

enter google translation and translate....

and do not teach me about s/l LOL
  • #291,162
  • Sep 10, 2010 3:34pm Sep 10, 2010 3:34pm
A SL on a real market has to be filled, like any other order, that's why not always be at the SL price (slippage). When the SL is set within a market maker, it is almost always filled in your SL price.

Just my two cents.
  • #291,163
  • Sep 10, 2010 3:36pm Sep 10, 2010 3:36pm
Quoting T@rantula
http://www.atlas-broker.net/services/faq.htm


Nalozi "Stop Loss" (S/L) određeni na locirane pozicije izvršavaju se po prvim cijenama na tržištu;

enter google translation and translate....

and do not teach me about s/l LOL
I did translate it - exactly what I told ya. You probably don't understand your home language ?


If the market opens with a split or a split occurs during the day (usually this happens after the weekend or on holidays, after the release of important macroeconomic data, economic and political news, and also in cases of emergency), orders are executed in the following way:

Accounts "Take Profit" (T / P) is ordered executed by prices;
Accounts "Stop Loss" (S / L) is performed by ordered prices;
Accounts "Stop Loss" (S / L) located at the position are performed by the first price in the market;
Limitni (Limit) orders are executed at prices ordered;
Stop (Stop) accounts for the opening position izvšavaju the first price in the market.
Although this situation does not happen often, be especially careful when leaving positions or orders during the weekend or holidays.
  • #291,164
  • Sep 10, 2010 3:46pm Sep 10, 2010 3:46pm
Why the tank near the week close??
  • #291,165
  • Sep 10, 2010 3:58pm Sep 10, 2010 3:58pm
Why don't both of you try this things on demo account?

Just my proposal!
  • #291,166
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:00pm Sep 10, 2010 4:00pm
Quoting sisse
One of the most common mistakes is overseeing a range and forgetting that a market can be (it usually is ) in non trending mode. A vertical approach in a chart (trendlines, upward/downward Channels,fib ret and extensions, indicator divergences) can be valid as long as you have a trend or at least one side stronger than the other.

However, sometimes a range is range and instead of looking to join unrelated points with lines that connect swings in different timeframes, a more natural horizontal approach is better, clearer and efficient way to read...
look at the weekly...it screwed me last week. but actually i got out lower then i got back in. anyway it says deep dive atm if we close near here.. but i dont doubt bulls will try to get above 2703 before. they have a chance off 2677.. but if not......hello... below 2645 opens a deep hole to 23xx chart already posted. then some
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #291,167
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:13pm Sep 10, 2010 4:13pm
Quoting ^Sam
Why the tank near the week close??
A german Bank - Hypo Real Estate - HRE needs another 40 billion Euro guarantee from Angela.

I only found it in German
  • #291,168
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:18pm Sep 10, 2010 4:18pm
Quoting mokonni
A german Bank - Hypo Real Estate - HRE needs another 40 billion Euro guarantee from Angela.

I only found it in German
Germany's Hypo Real Estate gets euro40 billion more in loan guarantees as it moves on 'bad bank'



BERLIN (AP) - Nationalized German lender Hypo Real Estate Holding AG has been granted loan guarantees to the tune of up to another euro40 billion ($51 billion) by the government's financial sector rescue fund.




The fund said Friday the extra guarantees were being granted to forestall any liquidity squeeze as HRE moves ahead with putting troubled assets into a so-called "bad bank."
That brings total loan guarantees granted the bank to euro142 billion. In addition, the commercial property lender has received capital injections worth euro7.7 billion.
Hypo Real Estate, the most prominent German victim of the financial crisis, was the only German lender to fail European stress tests in July. It plans to offload troubled assets nominally worth up to euro210 billion into the "bad bank."


http://www.canadianbusiness.com/mark...tent=D9I59TN00
  • #291,169
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:22pm Sep 10, 2010 4:22pm
Thanks for the info.

Quoting mokonni
Germany's Hypo Real Estate gets euro40 billion more in loan guarantees as it moves on 'bad bank'...
  • #291,170
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:23pm Sep 10, 2010 4:23pm
Quoting ^Sam
Why the tank near the week close??

hyppo bank beeing bailed out


http://www.monstersandcritics.com/ne...id-sources-say


This is early market reaction, i think this will go back up at opening, as the bank was due to the loan as it did not pass the stress test. At the end, it avoids the bankrupcy of the bank. It's not a bad thing for the euro.
  • #291,171
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:24pm Sep 10, 2010 4:24pm
Quoting mokonni
Excuse my ignorance - it's important for newbies to understand how a "normal" StopLoss works:

Q.: But stop losses don’t guarantee a get out do they? If the market tanks or skips past your stop you can lose a lot right?

A: An ordinary stop loss will not guarantee you get out and if something happened overnight it definitely would not save you. But if you ask for a 'guaranteed stop loss - you are guaranteed to come out at the set stop loss whatever happens. The...

Funny how arrogant and cocky you were with this and the fact that what you try to teach away to "newbis" is actually wrong just makes this extremly funny...

You are mixing up CFD trading and FX which is completely different....

In forex which this year became a 4 trillion market pr 24hours your slippage will normlly be just slight (unless you trade jobbless) even if you have a ECN broker. Anyway way the slippage goes both ways, when you are winning in your favour and against you as you loose...

CFD trading is just a "reflection" on the stock you are trading where prices will gap if you keep it overnight, in 2008 I saw this with my own account and lost a bit over 16% without being able to do a thing.... because the gap was close to 20% from the previous day...

Putting a stop order with 20-30 cent limit order below wouldn't help a thing because of this gap, and that is what you are referring to.

FX as a 24hr market unless the weekend lose wouldn't be a problem unless you put a limit order and go on a holiday which I am sure no one would, as I said. FX-market order- slippage goes against you and in your favour so you will break even on this in the long run...
  • #291,172
  • Sep 10, 2010 4:39pm Sep 10, 2010 4:39pm
Quoting kandarv
Unless more news about some bank in Europe (Greece) is having trouble with debt. I see no reason to go lower.
http://cdn.forexfactory.com/attachme...1&d=1283975628
Hypo Real Estate (Germany) made it. So, is the market going to overreact on Monday?
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  • #291,173
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:18pm Sep 10, 2010 5:18pm
EURUSD Rate Now: 1.2719

Resource : http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/currency-rates/
  • #291,174
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:27pm Sep 10, 2010 5:27pm
Quoting cagriguler
EURUSD Rate Now: 1.2719

Resource : http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/currency-rates/

actually it printed a low of 2664 in after hours interbank trading .......it stopped trading interbank at 2679. From the looks of it, 2745 has formed a hard top.
  • #291,175
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:30pm Sep 10, 2010 5:30pm
Quoting cagriguler
EURUSD Rate Now: 1.2719

Resource : http://www.fxstreet.com/rates-charts/currency-rates/


Not exactly......

http://www.oanda.com/currency/real-time-rates

1.26765/1.26865
  • #291,176
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:32pm Sep 10, 2010 5:32pm
Quoting mfoste1
actually it printed a low of 2664 in after hours interbank trading .......it stopped trading interbank at 2679. From the looks of it, 2745 has formed a hard top.

There are still a few news from china later this week end. They maybe also raise their rates...


that will more than certainly affects the pair...but, i can't say how...if up or down...
  • #291,177
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:35pm Sep 10, 2010 5:35pm
Quoting jackdan
There are still a few news from china later this week end. They maybe also raise their rates...


that will more than certainly affects the pair...but, i can't say how...if up or down...

I highly doubt that any chinese news will trump the fact that a major german RE bank is failing.......
  • #291,178
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:37pm Sep 10, 2010 5:37pm
Quoting jackdan
Not exactly......

http://www.oanda.com/currency/real-time-rates

1.26765/1.26865
fxstreet.com ever looked through all of Sunday night was the same.

Oanda is not Real Time - dont move rate ??
  • #291,179
  • Sep 10, 2010 5:43pm Sep 10, 2010 5:43pm
Quoting ^Sam
Why the tank near the week close??
Typically after the London close on fridays, the market is usually very quiet and there are rarely any big moves.

In the last hour before the close for the week, there was a move down of about 30 pips. I cannot find anything obvious to account for it, and I do not think that the news about the german bank, which may not have been widely disseminated, is the likely cause that late in the day when most of the major players have already left for the weekend and wonder if this is a prelude to a huge gap down on Sunday and possibly a further move down early in the week. It is not that easy to move a pair by 30 or more pips in less than an hour.

Usually when EU moves in one direction, swissie moves in the other direction, but that was not occurring today. All the major pairs were more or less moving together up or down. I cannot explain this either.

Frankly, I do not understand much of what is going on in the market today and I have been doing this for a very long time.
  • #291,180
  • Sep 10, 2010 7:01pm Sep 10, 2010 7:01pm
I have a question just thought to ask you all here, is why is there different closing prices for the the euro. My FXDD broker shows a close of .2709 bloomberg shows .2679 and my friend his broker ITFX shows .2680 Does anyone know why this happens, and what the reason is?

Cheers
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