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  • #290,221
  • Sep 8, 2010 11:55am Sep 8, 2010 11:55am
I have a little question about rates. I got it at school. Dees anyone know the answer ?



All else being constant; the respons of the market price of long-term maturity debt instruments to a given change in market interest rates is:

1. Larger than that of debt instruments with shorter term to maturity.
2. Smaller than that of debt instruments with shorter term to maturity.
3. Independent of the change in market rates of interest.
4. A given change in market rates of interest causes an identical change in the market price of debt securities of various maturities
  • #290,222
  • Sep 8, 2010 11:57am Sep 8, 2010 11:57am
Closed my Short out at 1.2737 for a 150 Pip profit , as it formed a 4 hours Morning Star right at the Trendline support on a 4 hour chart.

This could be a bullish signal or just retracement for a bearish big move.

Have to wait to see what will happen next.

I am hoping the price will retrace to atleast .68% of the recent down move.

I might look to enter short again at 1.2820.
PPP - Patience Pays PIPS
  • #290,223
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:01pm Sep 8, 2010 12:01pm
Quoting Sunsi
I have a little question about rates. I got it at school. Dees anyone know the answer ?



All else being constant; the respons of the market price of long-term maturity debt instruments to a given change in market interest rates is:

1. Larger than that of debt instruments with shorter term to maturity.
2. Smaller than that of debt instruments with shorter term to maturity.
3. Independent of the change in market rates of interest.
4. A given change in market rates of interest causes an identical change in the market price of debt securities...
you want to prick the egos?????
i would like to know the answer,whatever.
  • #290,224
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:03pm Sep 8, 2010 12:03pm
Quoting malcolmb14
2730 holding

hulls moving av 60 min green
rsx green

may move up to the bunch of high volume pivots above us at 1.2800 to 12830 , that is my target 1 for taking off half profit

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yeah H1 candle close above 2730 so far ok but hold may be relative to time not limited perhaps , just may to give enough time , may consider h4 candle also close above it . just my idea about break & hold any level.Yes I see now H4 also closed at 2750.

me to close half position at those levels if possible today 2772 /97 break .
Thanks for the views & levels of further interest .
fontu
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  • #290,225
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:03pm Sep 8, 2010 12:03pm
Quoting manojsai
you want to prick the egos?????
i would like to know the answer,whatever.
I have to answer this at school, but I don`t know the answer
I thought maby some here could help out
  • #290,226
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:11pm Sep 8, 2010 12:11pm
Quoting fontu
yeah H1 candle close above 2730 so far ok but hold may be relative to time not limited perhaps , just may to give enough time , may consider h4 candle also close above it . just my idea about break & hold any level.Yes I see now H4 also closed at 2750.

me to close half position at those levels if possible today 2772 /97 break .
Thanks for the views & levels of further interest .
fontu
fonto also the waves are in an expanding traingle which could be 1 or a
  • #290,227
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:19pm Sep 8, 2010 12:19pm
Quoting manojsai
i personally would like the market to come to 2704-2710 because at 2710 i have put my buy pending order(sl 2696).
Possible , though it was past views , may repeat again .below 2720 not expect but still any can do.
wish you get it hit. the monster /round bottom may still do it .
fontu
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  • #290,228
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:19pm Sep 8, 2010 12:19pm
i see 2770 a a strong resistance. however once broken, can give good up move
  • #290,229
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:29pm Sep 8, 2010 12:29pm
Quoting Sunsi
I have to answer this at school, but I don`t know the answer
I thought maby some here could help out

Lower rated securities are more likely to react to developments affecting the market than the highly rated securities which react primarily to movements in the general interest rate while deep discount bonds which do not entitle the holder to any periodic payment of interest prior to maturity also varies depending on the prevailing interest rates.The prices of securities generally increase as interest rates decline and generally decrease as interest rates rise. Prices of long-term securities generally fluctuate more in response to interest rate changes than the short-term securities.


  • #290,230
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:45pm Sep 8, 2010 12:45pm
closed long for now .. .do not like way top is forming on eu , evidence of sellers , will wait till after beige book to re-assess

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  • #290,231
  • Sep 8, 2010 12:51pm Sep 8, 2010 12:51pm
Wedge upside but if 1.2742 is rejected in next upturn i consider bull failed.
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  • #290,232
  • Edited 1:24pm Sep 8, 2010 1:05pm | Edited 1:24pm
skimmed beige book.......i think the markets won't take this report as positive. Manufacturing and housing continue to remain weak for just about every district....permanent jobs are slow to grow, consumer lending tightened(as if it couldn't get any tighter lol) commercial loans tightened as well as commercial and residential RE......This was not a good report. The only positive point was increased demand for energy and agriculture.

The main point that I took from this report-----Liquidity is tightening.

"Contacts in the Boston, Chicago, and Kansas City Districts noted skill mismatches between available jobs and the workers applying for them, which caused a slight uptick in wage pressures for selected jobs in a narrow set of industries. More generally, however, the reports suggested ample supply of qualified applicants for open positions. "-----over qualified workers, employers don't wanna pay them more, so they are out of jobs....Less good permanent jobs, more wage jobs, more people looking for jobs, do the math.......


"A recent flurry of refinancing activity spurred increased demand for residential mortgages in the New York, Cleveland, Chicago, and Kansas City Districts, but new-purchase mortgage originations remained quite sluggish in general." one paragraph later......"while New York reported rising delinquencies for all categories except consumer loan......people still buying things they can't afford.

"Demand for commercial, industrial, and retail space generally remained depressed. Vacancy rates stayed at elevated levels in general and rose further in a few Districts, placing substantial downward pressure on rents."

" Richmond reported that recent home sales were "dominated by foreclosure and short sales," and Chicago reported an increase in the supply of foreclosed homes for sale."
  • #290,233
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:10pm Sep 8, 2010 1:10pm
Quoting darimik
gu and gj at its top of the range. now that all longs are closed it would make things very much easier if this was a retrace before a further move. usdcad could go retest that tl again. this does not seem all that unexpected. it could take much longer before EU breaks this 2670/80 level. if at all.
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usdcad bounced perfectly from a quick look. little action these hours.
  • #290,234
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:14pm Sep 8, 2010 1:14pm
LOL only 1 page back nearly everyone was a bull

Quoting Z3iz3i
Wedge upside but if 1.2742 is rejected in next upturn i consider bull failed.
  • #290,235
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:15pm Sep 8, 2010 1:15pm
Quoting malcolmb14
I think the move monday tuesday was shake out weak longs ... still maintain that as there was a shit load of buyers at 2700

What I think is you'll be surprised when the real action begins
  • #290,236
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:17pm Sep 8, 2010 1:17pm
Quoting nawafasad1
fonto also the waves are in an expanding traingle which could be 1 or a
may be expanding trinagle contain a & b looking for c upside . see charts , not finding ew charts right now .
fontu
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  • #290,237
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:18pm Sep 8, 2010 1:18pm
Quoting DrLobo
LOL only 1 page back nearly everyone was a bull
that might be an interesting indicator if you could made an index of it
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  • #290,238
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:23pm Sep 8, 2010 1:23pm
Quoting fontu
may be expanding trinagle contain a & b looking for c upside . see charts , not finding ew charts right now .
fontu
i was looking at smaller time frame
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  • #290,239
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:32pm Sep 8, 2010 1:32pm
Quoting mfoste1
skimmed beige book.......i think the markets won't take this report as positive. Manufacturing and housing continue to remain weak for just about every district....permanent jobs are slow to grow, consumer lending tightened(as if it couldn't get any tighter lol) commercial loans tightened as well as commercial and residential RE......This was not a good report. The only positive point was increased demand for energy and agriculture.

The main point that I took from this report-----Liquidity is tightening.

"Contacts in the Boston, Chicago,...
Hmm, where did you find this beige book so that you could skim it :-)
  • #290,240
  • Sep 8, 2010 1:33pm Sep 8, 2010 1:33pm
Quoting Lorna
Hmm, where did you find this beige book so that you could skim it :-)

http://www.federalreserve.gov/fomc/b...08/default.htm
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