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  • #11,921
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:19pm Aug 17, 2010 3:19pm
My apologies for muddying the waters... I can delete my prior post if it's not helpful. The description of "HSBCnet" is as follows: "HSBCnet provides secure, real-time access to an online suite of reporting, transaction, research and analytics tools covering global markets, cash management, investment banking, trade services, securities services and commercial banking." In other words, It's part of HSBC Asset Management -- I would think you'd want their Banking division... and specifically their Hong Kong banking division, hence why i posted the link. It's not a bogus site, my apologies for jumping to conclusions.

Anyway, I'll get out of this since it really has nothing to do with me.
  • #11,922
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:22pm Aug 17, 2010 3:22pm
Quoting gammase1
Guys,

That is a genuine HSBC website, though it is not an address that is appropriate for what has gone on here. FXbillie posted a link to a site for HSBC's institutional and private clients only, which contains access to their published market research and charting services. I should know, as I log on there every day.

However, if you are a victim of Jacko, please do not rely on any emails or web addresses given on this thread. Instead, just do a simple Google search.
Thanks for the clarification. Most of us investors are not used to finding out the scam artists and notifying authorities. If we had that much experience, Jacko's scheme of no-face, on-id, no-office, & no audit will have smelt like a skunk, LOL. Lesson learned.

I have at one time Googled HSBC with reportisng fraud or scam wordings and get to a page called 'Fraud & Scam Center'. But that page seems to just warn people about don't giving out this & that info to outside parties. Just so frustrating. I will probably make some phone calls to HK if there are good numbers there in HKBC to report frauds/crimes. Better speak directly to get some actions rolling to freeze the sucker's account.
  • #11,923
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:24pm Aug 17, 2010 3:24pm
Quoting Scotty2Cues
You guys cant be serious about Dan Gilbert being involved with jacko?
I've never accused Dan of being involved with Jacko. My beef with Dan is that he failed to see the obvious despite overwhelming evidence/circumstances and continued to cast doubt on the scam whenever he posted over the last few days.

If I was Dan and I had been talking about the sun shining out of Jacko Christ's arse on this thread at every opportunity, I would now apologise to those posters that I ridiculed before this scam came to the forefront, step back and shut the fark up because it's only confusing the issue.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #11,924
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:24pm Aug 17, 2010 3:24pm
can anyone come up with a decent reason why jacko would make it clear in his blog that he is returning funds to investors if he was running a scam? He could have carried on for alot longer by answering emails and not mentioned closing funds. People only got worried after he said he was returning funds and they never received them
  • #11,925
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:50pm Aug 17, 2010 3:50pm
Quoting seeths
Here are the CB numbers I have on the messages I have not deleted yet:
17057700609 (Jun 28)
17057702361 ((Jun 14)
17057700974 (Jun 10)
17057702476 (May 27)
14978059632 (May 10)
17057701523 (May 7)
17057702872 ((May6)

Thanks

Seeth
good luck with the numbers, they are all different, buying pre-paid cell phones at walwart hk or just masking the real number????
  • #11,926
  • Aug 17, 2010 3:53pm Aug 17, 2010 3:53pm
hi whats the problem here..


did anyone transfer money to a completly unknown guy in HONG KONG?



Follow the Trend, thats all
  • #11,927
  • Aug 17, 2010 4:11pm Aug 17, 2010 4:11pm


Quoting wwwin
Now more foolishness about the site re-routing to a scammer's inbox. That is a real website and you are looking more and more foolish every time you post.
http://www.google.com/search?q=hsbc+net&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Maybe that is how to try to clean your hands...by being considered a fool,

or are you still trying to delay people from going forward?
  • #11,928
  • Aug 17, 2010 4:33pm Aug 17, 2010 4:33pm
Quoting seeths
Here are the CB numbers I have on the messages I have not deleted yet:
17057700609 (Jun 28)
17057702361 ((Jun 14)
17057700974 (Jun 10)
17057702476 (May 27)
14978059632 (May 10)
17057701523 (May 7)
17057702872 ((May6)

Thanks

Seeth
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  • #11,929
  • Edited 4:54pm Aug 17, 2010 4:38pm | Edited 4:54pm
Quoting Scotty2Cues
can anyone come up with a decent reason why jacko would make it clear in his blog that he is returning funds to investors if he was running a scam? He could have carried on for alot longer by answering emails and not mentioned closing funds. People only got worried after he said he was returning funds and they never received them
I don't know why he announced that. I was telling my friend about it. He reckons that they must be closing in on him. This was the same friend that got scammed by someone in the UK. He carried on hoping for months and months that he was going to get his money back. The scammer kept promising the return of the money right up to the day he went to prison and even now, from prison, he is still promising some investors the return of their money. I don't know whether these people are right in the head. It's some sort of sick torture.

And they lie like there is no tomorrow. Lie upon lie upon lie upon lie or what some people might think is the truth. The guy even got his mother to mortgage her house to the hilt to pay out some investors to keep the ponzi going. They have no morals or conscience.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #11,930
  • Aug 17, 2010 4:54pm Aug 17, 2010 4:54pm
Quoting Patience
I don't know why he announced that. I was telling my friend about it. He reckons that they must be closing in on him. This was the same friend that got scammed by someone in the UK. He carried on hoping for months and months that he was going to get his money back. The scammer kept promising the return of the money right up to the day he went to prison and even now, from prison, he is still promising some investors the return of their money. I don't know whether these people are right in the head. It's some sort of sick torture.
ah, so its a complex psychological problem, got himself too deep, maybe believes his own lies.

i reckon hes trading ALOT more than he makes out. On dailyfx he seems to trade alot and high leverage. Or maybe gambles on other stuff
  • #11,931
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:03pm Aug 17, 2010 5:03pm
Quoting Scotty2Cues
ah, so its a complex psychological problem, got himself too deep, maybe believes his own lies.

i reckon hes trading ALOT more than he makes out. On dailyfx he seems to trade alot and high leverage. Or maybe gambles on other stuff
I don't know about that now. On Dailyfx, yes, he did trade a lot and I was there in real time and from what I remember, he was pretty spot on. But the market was easier back then compared to now. It was pretty much a one way ticket - long E/U - from 1.18 all the way to 1.60 and the anti-hedge system would have worked great.

But tell me. Why didn't one turtle put up his results on myfxbook or MT4 Stats just to shut the naysayers up? What was the big deal about showing an equity curve?

[EDIT] And another thing. Although Jacko said he traded with 4 brokers, nobody seemed to know who he was trading with. What's the big deal about revealing a broker? When questioned by one of his investors why he didn't want to do a PAMM arrangement, he told them that he had a "special" deal with his brokers.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #11,932
  • Edited 6:15pm Aug 17, 2010 5:18pm | Edited 6:15pm
Quoting cloggie
You are wasting bandwidth triple W, such behaviour is typical of cult members:

[list=1][*]People are put in physical or emotionally distressing situations;[*]Their problems are reduced to one simple explanation, which is repeatedly emphasized;[*]They receive unconditional love, acceptance, and attention from a charismatic leader or group;[*]They get a new identity based on the group;[*]They are subject to entrapment (isolation from friends, relatives...
Oh yeah, along with Stockholm Syndrome, the Milgram experiments (http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS371US371&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=milgram+experiments), intermittent conditioning (http://www.psywww.com/intropsych/ch05_conditioning/intermittent_reinforcement.html), and brainwashing (http://www.skepdic.com/mindcont.html). "You know what's going to happen if you..." situation. An article on special VEN, or spindle, neurons (http://johnbessa.com/empathy/Scientific_proof_of_Empathy.html) can be socially swayed anywhere and one set is just before the executive frontals. Another article (http://www.pnas.org/content/105/34/12569.full.pdf+html) (and, with the brain parts it notes, rituals (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/06/health/psychology/06brain.html?pagewanted=2&_r=1&ei=5087&em&en=fd629d06abb34c52&ex=1171083600), stress (http://www.bpsmedicine.com/content/2/1/21), risk (http://www.moneyandminds.com/the-neurobiology-of-risk-the-posterior-cingulate-cortex/), and moni (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1C1CHMO_enUS371US371&as_q=anterior+cingulate+reward+action&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=10&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=y&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=images)tor (http://www.pnas.org/content/99/25/16354.full)ing (http://www.molecularpain.com/content/6/1/42)) gives the entire area affected.
  • #11,933
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:18pm Aug 17, 2010 5:18pm
Quoting Patience
I don't know about that now. On Dailyfx, yes, he did trade a lot and I was there in real time and from what I remember, he was pretty spot on. But the market was easier back then compared to now. It was pretty much a one way ticket - long E/U - from 1.18 all the way to 1.60 and the anti-hedge system would have worked great.

But tell me. Why didn't one turtle put up his results on myfxbook or MT4 Stats just to shut the naysayers up? What was the big deal about showing an equity curve?

[EDIT]...
so what do you want to get it brother? i heard some negative about jacko, is it true?
  • #11,934
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:25pm Aug 17, 2010 5:25pm
Quoting FXAdvice
so what do you want to get it brother? i heard some negative about jacko, is it true?
I'm not sure what you are asking. What do I want to get? And yes, everything is pointing to one big scam with Jacko (who nobody knows) at the top of the pile.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #11,935
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:33pm Aug 17, 2010 5:33pm
Quoting Patience
I'm not sure what you are asking. What do I want to get? And yes, everything is pointing to one big scam with Jacko (who nobody knows) at the top of the pile.
can you give me more details about his scam?
  • #11,936
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:36pm Aug 17, 2010 5:36pm
yes the anti-hedge system (adding to a losing pos.) will kill u anyway.




Quoting Patience
I don't know about that now. On Dailyfx, yes, he did trade a lot and I was there in real time and from what I remember, he was pretty spot on. But the market was easier back then compared to now. It was pretty much a one way ticket - long E/U - from 1.18 all the way to 1.60 and the anti-hedge system would have worked great.

But tell me. Why didn't one turtle put up his results on myfxbook or MT4 Stats just to shut the naysayers up? What was the big deal about showing an equity curve?

[EDIT] And another thing. Although Jacko said he traded...
Follow the Trend, thats all
  • #11,937
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:39pm Aug 17, 2010 5:39pm
Quoting FXAdvice
can you give me more details about his scam?
read through the last 20 pages or so and it fills in quite a few blanks...i never followed this thread although it was recommended to me a few times and I have heard of Jacko..(anti hedge etc..)..
nothing surprises me in forex(a lot are out to get you), this place is the safest and the mods seem to do a pretty good job of sorting out the members with ulterior motives

i'm really sorry for anyone who lost money to this cat.
  • #11,938
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:41pm Aug 17, 2010 5:41pm
Quoting FXAdvice
can you give me more details about his scam?
Or you could read the last 30-50 pages....
  • #11,939
  • Aug 17, 2010 5:42pm Aug 17, 2010 5:42pm
Quoting FXAdvice
can you give me more details about his scam?
The turtles and other people were offered the opportunity to invest in his private fund that guaranteed a 30% return per annum with any losses incurred topped up by Mr Wayne Jackson's own funds out of the kindness of his heart. He announced that he was closing the fund and that the money would be returned to investors. No money has been forthcoming and he has cut communication with all his investors. He also put a vague message on his blog blaming an "employee" for diverting investor funds.

His limited company in Hong Kong used a serviced office address as the registered office for his company. The list of directors leads to another company in another country which then leads to another company in another country.

Nobody has ever met him. Nobody knows where he lives. Nobody knows how to contact him.
Nothing worth having is easy.
  • #11,940
  • Edited 6:03pm Aug 17, 2010 5:48pm | Edited 6:03pm
Quoting Patience
The turtles and other people were offered the opportunity to invest in his private fund that guaranteed a 30% return per annum with any losses incurred topped up by Mr Wayne Jackson's own funds out of the kindness of his heart. He announced that he was closing the fund and that the money would be returned to investors. No money has been forthcoming and he has cut communication with all his investors. He also put a vague message on his blog blaming an "employee" for diverting investor funds.

His limited company in Hong Kong used a serviced...
One of the turtles opened another thread offering 10% reward of any money recovered. He had 97K in fund. If more turtles would join to offer bounty, at one point or another one of the cohorts is going to go for an immunity deal and take the reward. He did not do this alone...and the cohorts have a price. That may be one of the few ways to get him cause he planned all these offshore corp as directors, maildrop address, spoofed phone numbers, the works. He could be writing the blog from a public library with internet access. So somebody would have to turn him in to save their arse and make a little dough in the process.
Another way is if the Feds think they can get money laundering charges and trace all the wires and any other withdrawals and where the funds finally rested, maybe he can be caught. If he makes his money thru a blog hosted by blogspot.com does not the IRS have a claim here?? I don't think a bank is going to do all this tracing, I think only a govermental agency with tracing power and resources could unravel this.
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