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  • #282,061
  • Edited 4:52pm Aug 14, 2010 4:29pm | Edited 4:52pm
Quoting dfptommyj
........., because double dip aint gonna happen, ...
Uhh, ya wanna bet?

They stimulated and nobody "came".

Now there ain't much left but smoke a ciggy and say hello to my little friend - DoubleDee dip #2.

Maybe they can continue to hire census workers every other month.

I also believe EU zone GDP report was smoke and mirrors.

But in the end it matters more what the charts (market participants cumulative opinion) say and not what any govmint does. To us traders anyway.
  • #282,062
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:29pm Aug 14, 2010 4:29pm
Quoting dfptommyj
u r clearly in the DD camp, I m not I might b wrong but i just have a feeling it will not happen...
I'm not in the DD camp.......I'm a little beyond that. I dont post my LT views here because people would probably laugh at me. Anyways, I'm just a stupid kid from a state school.....
  • #282,063
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:30pm Aug 14, 2010 4:30pm
Im probably not the first one to say this, but the last weekly bar scares the crap out of me.
  • #282,064
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:35pm Aug 14, 2010 4:35pm
Quoting mfoste1
I'm not in the DD camp.......I'm a little beyond that. I dont post my LT views here because people would probably laugh at me. Anyways, I'm just a stupid kid from a state school.....
I dont think u r stupid matter of fact opposite and its good to have diferent views... what I think is we need more consumer confidence now because everything is set to go up, just more hireing, and no more bonds, so they stop printing $'s
  • #282,065
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:43pm Aug 14, 2010 4:43pm
Quoting Rush
Im probably not the first one to say this, but the last weekly bar scares the crap out of me.
I hope you were on the right side of this bar??

As for the double dip, i dont think there will be panic, like 2008, but i also dont think we're going straight up from here either, speaking from a civilian point of view, if i can put it like that- meaning i dont know an awfull lot about economics, from where i am very little has changed in the last year that is going to make everything rosey again, House prices are still far too high (5-10 times what they cost to build in most cases) and government and consumer debt is ridicules!.

i think things will range from looking bad then good again, and i believe the markets will do the same, cant see any big trends coming, just short trends lasting from a few weeks to a few months.
  • #282,066
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:45pm Aug 14, 2010 4:45pm
Quoting SunTrader
Uhh, ya wanna bet?

They stimulated and nobody "came".

Now there ain't much left but smoke a ciggy and say hello to my little friend - DoubleDee dip #2.

Maybe they can continue to hire census workers every other month.

I also believe EU zone GDP report was smoke and mirrors.

But in the end it matters more what the charts (market participants cumulative opinion) say and not what any govmint does.
so how do u explain this, the very bottom is when the stimulating started in 09 with 787 billion $'s
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  • #282,067
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:52pm Aug 14, 2010 4:52pm
Quoting dfptommyj
so how do u explain this, the very bottom is when the stimulating started in 09 with 787 billion $'s


was that the bottom? charts and numbers say it isnt..........
  • #282,068
  • Aug 14, 2010 4:55pm Aug 14, 2010 4:55pm
Quoting mfoste1
was that the bottom? charts and numbers say it isnt..........
well for now is still the bottom, and it clearly looks like stimulating did work
  • #282,069
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:00pm Aug 14, 2010 5:00pm
Quoting dfptommyj
well for now is still the bottom, and it clearly looks like stimulating did work
stimulating didn't do shit for the economy..........foreclosures are hittin record highs, look at employment.....no jobs still. Walk into a grocery store, look at prices. I dont know about you, but every time I go in to buy some food prices are higher and quantity is lower. Credit is extremely thin.....us and japanese bonds are being purchased in record amounts. Where is the money coming from for the "new stimulus?" add another trillion onto deficit....sure
  • #282,070
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:05pm Aug 14, 2010 5:05pm
Quoting dfptommyj
well for now is still the bottom, and it clearly looks like stimulating did work

How do you think that stiimulating worked?

What I see is higher and higher unemployment, particularly if you consider all the people they do not include in the unemployment figures, and more and more foreclosures.

I just do not see much evidence of improvement as a result of stimulating.
  • #282,071
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:05pm Aug 14, 2010 5:05pm
Quoting dfptommyj
well for now is still the bottom, and it clearly looks like stimulating did work
stimulation helped the markets...not the economy.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  • #282,072
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:08pm Aug 14, 2010 5:08pm
Quoting mfoste1
stimulating didn't do shit for the economy..........foreclosures are hittin record highs, look at employment.....no jobs still. Walk into a grocery store, look at prices. I dont know about you, but every time I go in to buy some food prices are higher and quantity is lower. Credit is extremely thin.....us and japanese bonds are being purchased in record amounts. Where is the money coming from for the "new stimulus?" add another trillion onto deficit....sure
it doesnt happen over night, give it some time and high prices indicate good for economy
  • #282,073
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:10pm Aug 14, 2010 5:10pm
Quoting Duce
stimulation helped the markets...not the economy.
I did not think that that was the point of stimulating the economy. After all that is what was supposedly happening.

It is difficult to stimulate an economy that no longer produces much that they can produce more of.
  • #282,074
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:17pm Aug 14, 2010 5:17pm
Quoting dfptommyj
so how do u explain this, the very bottom is when the stimulating started in 09 with 787 billion $'s
Try a little better look at your chart and you will see that it's create something - formed. It seems to me there is created a double top but maybe I am wrong but be careful!
  • #282,075
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:17pm Aug 14, 2010 5:17pm
this was the panic b4 Obama, and then it reversed right on Jan 2010
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  • #282,076
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:21pm Aug 14, 2010 5:21pm
Quoting moonchild
I did not think that that was the point of stimulating the economy. After all that is what was supposedly happening.

It is difficult to stimulate an economy that no longer produces much that they can produce more of.
Au contraire...but that was the point of stimulation. To put money into the pockets of the government's/feds' buddies.
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  • #282,077
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:24pm Aug 14, 2010 5:24pm
Whatever happens, i dont think things will ever be the same again, the world is changing, there are more and more people fighting over less and less every day. We will have to adapt to the challenges that lie ahead, and if we dont things could get very messy....
  • #282,078
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:33pm Aug 14, 2010 5:33pm
Quoting dfptommyj
so how do u explain this, the very bottom is when the stimulating started in 09 with 787 billion $'s
Listen my doubting the effect the govmint with stimulus or any other magic trick has had on the stock market rebound, which won't last, has nothing to do with the current occupant of the White House. Or for that matter the previous guy.

DC can screws things up sometimes but mostly if they stay out of the way the economy will right itself given time.
  • #282,079
  • Aug 14, 2010 5:36pm Aug 14, 2010 5:36pm
Interesting to see statistics on OANDA for open positions and open orders of traders here :

http://fxtradeinfocenter.oanda.com/o..._and_positions

You can view it with

. cumulative %,
. non cumulative %
. net

and follow dynamic movements with the animation button (on the upper right side)
  • #282,080
  • Aug 14, 2010 7:04pm Aug 14, 2010 7:04pm
Off subject here but can anyone tell me of a broker that supports MT4 for S&P charts.

Thanks
Mombone
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