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  • #3,601
  • Jun 14, 2010 11:45pm Jun 14, 2010 11:45pm
Your correct, everything will be sourced from the USA.

1. The price of cotton in India isnt any cheaper then price of USA cotton. (USA is the largest net exporter to "mexico") - Materals

2. Machinery - Upfront business cost that will come out of the pocket of some ill prepared trader .

3. Human Resources - This is where India and the rest of the world has an advantage. I counter with running the business at breakeven/ slight profit and paying employees whatever wage is economical for the continued success of the business.

1. I dont have to ship huge containers thousands of miles -- Check
2. I'm not looking to book huge profits. --Check
3. I dont pay import tariffs. --Check
4. The business is going to be run as a not for profit -- Check

--Checkmate

We'll see

Quoting ns_karthik
ok...here u go....i assume that when u say u want too bring jobs back into USA, i would assume that all materials, machinery, human resources would be sourced from the USA ?

it costs about $5-$6 to make a jean in India (maybe lesser in other places)....that is production cost and includes cost of materials, machinery, human resources etc....so, if they really want to beat you in prices, they can sell it for as cheap as $8-$9 in the USA...
the cost of everything that i have mentioned above is going to be way higher in the USA that you really cant...
Annoying Precision
  • #3,602
  • Jun 14, 2010 11:55pm Jun 14, 2010 11:55pm
well, even with all this, u cannot make it at $9...it would be $13-$14 atleast....and once u start selling jeans at that price, the guys who now sell it at $20 , would easily drop it to $11...they can go till $9 and still make a profit....but u cant go below $12 without losing money from your pocket...

game lost, championship won....:-))...
  • #3,603
  • Jun 15, 2010 12:03am Jun 15, 2010 12:03am
Well I'm going to conduct a feasibility report, I think your $13-$14 price range is exaggerated. Even so, I wouldnt have to. I'f I polled 100 americans and asked if they'd rather pay $15 for a pair of jeans that would have been made with american hands or a pair of jeans for $9 that was made with Indian hands...I think you can guess the outcome.

Either way, thanks for the perspective. Now my clothing will include a large obnoxius tag detailing the benefits of purchasing OUR brand of clothing.

Quoting ns_karthik
well, even with all this, u cannot make it at $9...it would be $13-$14 atleast....and once u start selling jeans at that price, the guys who now sell it at $20 , would easily drop it to $11...they can go till $9 and still make a profit....but u cant go below $12 without losing money from your pocket...

game lost, championship won....:-))...
Annoying Precision
  • #3,604
  • Jun 15, 2010 12:16am Jun 15, 2010 12:16am
Quoting erikte279
Well I'm going to conduct a feasibility report, I think your $13-$14 price range is exaggerated. Even so, I wouldnt have to. I'f I polled 100 americans and asked if they'd rather pay $15 for a pair of jeans that would have been made with american hands or a pair of jeans for $9 that was made with Indian hands...I think you can guess the outcome.

Either way, thanks for the perspective. Now my clothing will include a large obnoxius tag detailing the benefits of purchasing OUR brand of clothing.
Thanks erikte...just the logic that if it could have been made cheaper in the USA, they would have done it already....as u said, we are even-stevens as far as cotton and machinery are concerned...we both tend to source them from the same place and hence almost same costs....it is the labour thing....60-70% of the running costs of any business is labour and the cost of labor is just 10% of that in the USA...u just cannot bridge that without making a loss...

but thats how world economy works....u buy clothes,shoes made from us while we buy high end products like software, hardware, ipods, ipads from you....if each country was adamant that they would buy only products made within them, world economy wouldnt work...we would not have forex and we cannot trade forex...imagine what a disaster that would be !!
  • #3,605
  • Jun 15, 2010 12:18am Jun 15, 2010 12:18am
Lol Saxon. Thats not a bad idea but my aim is products that are imported.

Quoting Saxon
Start a trader friendly coffee shop. So like crazy fast internet. TFT screens so people can plug in their laptops and have 3 screens. Free copies of FT and WSJ. Roast your coffee from green. Have a community Reuters and Bloombeg Terminal or charge a monthly fee to cover the feed costs. Have a switch screen giving live Eq Market prices. Have like 6 Flat screens with Bloomberg TV, MSNBC, etc... I am only saying this because I am addicted to coffee and it would be convenient for me I would go there all the time. Put it in your state's financial...
Annoying Precision
  • #3,606
  • Jun 15, 2010 12:40am Jun 15, 2010 12:40am
PA is driving me insane right now, GU and EU are nuts. I had a GU/EU hedged position between the pairs, so Short/Long to trade off the correlation since they are just bouncing all over. Worked ok but not worth going bald over
  • #3,607
  • Jun 15, 2010 12:40am Jun 15, 2010 12:40am
Indeed that would be a tradgedy! I'm finished debating the specifics, thanks for your input.
Quoting ns_karthik
Thanks erikte...just the logic that if it could have been made cheaper in the USA, they would have done it already....as u said, we are even-stevens as far as cotton and machinery are concerned...we both tend to source them from the same place and hence almost same costs....it is the labour thing....60-70% of the running costs of any business is labour and the cost of labor is just 10% of that in the USA...u just cannot bridge that without making a loss...

but thats how world economy works....u buy clothes,shoes made from us while we buy high...
Annoying Precision
  • #3,608
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:15am Jun 15, 2010 1:15am
that LTL for a/u broken
i will post chart in a moment
  • #3,609
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:20am Jun 15, 2010 1:20am
I think it just retraced to the big trendline connecting lows. Check out a 4H chart.
  • #3,610
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:23am Jun 15, 2010 1:23am
Quoting OvT
that LTL for a/u broken
i will post chart in a moment
I am short EU
  • #3,611
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:26am Jun 15, 2010 1:26am
Quoting OvT
that LTL for a/u broken
i will post chart in a moment
Short AU break of fib 38 @ 8544
  • #3,612
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:28am Jun 15, 2010 1:28am
Quoting Saxon
Short AU break of fib 38 @ 8544
Short Gu at break of S/R @ 1.4724
  • #3,613
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:29am Jun 15, 2010 1:29am
Quoting Saxon
Short Gu at break of S/R @ 1.4724
My alarm woke me up! What the heck is going on?
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious s***.
  • #3,614
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:29am Jun 15, 2010 1:29am
After M30 candle, probably a few pip retrace to get back in then resume
  • #3,615
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:32am Jun 15, 2010 1:32am
Quoting MarcVUM
My alarm woke me up! What the heck is going on?
Pre-London Volatility
  • #3,616
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:34am Jun 15, 2010 1:34am
Quoting Saxon
Short AU break of fib 38 @ 8544
i shorted at 8540 at the break of LTL
now it's held up by daily S1
what's your TP saxon?
  • #3,617
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:34am Jun 15, 2010 1:34am
Quoting Saxon
Pre-London Volatility
I'm going back to bed. I'll take your advice and not trade the hour before London open. G'night.
When this baby hits 88 miles per hour, you're gonna see some serious s***.
  • #3,618
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:35am Jun 15, 2010 1:35am
Quoting OvT
i shorted at 8540 at the break of LTL
now it's held up by daily S1
what's your TP saxon?
No TP, just watching PA, SL at BE for all. Would like to be out 15 min or so before London. These are not Long-Term trades for me
  • #3,619
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:35am Jun 15, 2010 1:35am
Quoting MarcVUM
I'm going back to bed. I'll take your advice and not trade the hour before London open. G'night.
Ya, I'm about to get out
  • #3,620
  • Jun 15, 2010 1:36am Jun 15, 2010 1:36am
Quoting Saxon
Ya, I'm about to get out
Exited all but EU
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