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  • #1,301
  • May 30, 2010 2:44pm May 30, 2010 2:44pm
Quoting onefineday
Yones and all,

This happens because as per Tony's rules he enters a trade on the current candle and does not wait for the candle to close and this is the reason why Dashboard has to refresh after every x mins to update the values for all currencies and see where the movement is. Which means it not only considers the values of the HA live but it also considers values of all other indicators live, which may keep on changing as the candle redraws itself within the 4H period.

Yoenes I was playing with an indicator where I was trying to evaluate...
Hello onefineday

Sory i was just try to read all the post from the last few weeks again and 9 find this post that i dont have read it before i will chek the indicator and the another stoff and will let you no .
Please chek the thread now and then to see if i or some other people have find some bugs.

If i find somthing and you dont answer i will send you a PM .

for now thanks .

Greet you,

Yoenes
  • #1,302
  • Jun 1, 2010 8:37am Jun 1, 2010 8:37am
I am hoping for a real answer from people trading this thread now.. how are you doing?

Can you post some recent trades!!?

The one hour/5 min does not seem consistent enough for me
as a variation, however have you all checked taking
only the strongest signals on 1hr/15 min. One hour for trend
and 15 min for entry.

Using the three main indicators perfect reading only on both time frames, it has a lot of potential, is anyone else trading this time frame combo or would be interested in testing out with me?

The four hour is just too long for me especially in current market conditions for trend and 30 as well, is hard for entry, 5 is too short but 15 has the stability of longer time frames with the fluidity smaller traders
can benefit from using.

Anyway, curious how people trading the standard 4hr/30
are doing and also, have you looked at 1hr/15min its a good combo
for mtf systems in general and I think works well with the best
signals for this system.

Would the current dashboard work for that? Can I use it on 1hr/15min
setup?

thanks!

Brian

Quoting tonyb123
Hi to All, This is the HA-T3-1 System, (Thanks for the name Flyer) that I have been working on for a couple months. I have been tweaking it and modifying it and Demo trading the different combination of indicators to get the highest winning probability trades. This System that I am presenting today is a mixture of different strategies and systems that I have paid good money to learn. So first, I would like to thank those who have helped me from this forum, directly or indirectly and to acknowledge those creators of the different systems I have used...
  • #1,303
  • Jun 1, 2010 9:27am Jun 1, 2010 9:27am
Quoting golden1
I am hoping for a real answer from people trading this thread now.. how are you doing?

The four hour is just too long for me especially in current market conditions for trend and 30 as well, is hard for entry, 5 is too short but 15 has the stability of longer time frames with the fluidity smaller traders
can benefit from using.

Anyway, curious how people trading the standard 4hr/30
are doing and also, have you looked at 1hr/15min its a good combo
for mtf systems in general and I think works well with the best
signals for this system.


Brian...
Brian,

Sometimes when I go to a fast-food place and sit down to eat, I can't really reach my food from where I'm sitting. So I'll try to pull the table closer, but no matter how hard I try, it's bolted down and won't move.

Then, suddenly, inspiration strikes: Move the chair!

What I'm trying to say here is, there are out-of-the-box approaches with MTF trading. Waiting for the quicker entry timeframe to show a trade in line with the slower trend timeframe after a retracement is the most common way to trade MTF. In the current market conditions, as you said in your post, that could be dangerous. Instead of just picking combinations of shorter timeframes, a good alternative for me in this case is to wait for entries on the slower timeframe and only check that the faster timeframe has not reversed to retrace against your trade (only in that case you would wait).

You could for example look for entries on H1 and make sure that M5 is still continuing in that direction.

Jesper
  • #1,304
  • Jun 1, 2010 9:40am Jun 1, 2010 9:40am
Hi Pip!
I have problem.
I don't know how to exit properly.
Is there people who encountered with same problem?
Thnx a lot!
  • #1,305
  • Jun 1, 2010 9:46am Jun 1, 2010 9:46am
I agree with that totally, thanks for the reply

I like doing the opposite as well at least for now
and think that is a great concept

Brian

Quoting jesperweber
Brian,

Sometimes when I go to a fast-food place and sit down to eat, I can't really reach my food from where I'm sitting. So I'll try to pull the table closer, but no matter how hard I try, it's bolted down and won't move.

Then, suddenly, inspiration strikes: Move the chair!

What I'm trying to say here is, there are out-of-the-box approaches with MTF trading. Waiting for the quicker entry timeframe to show a trade in line with the slower trend timeframe after a retracement is the most common way to trade MTF. In the current market conditions,...
  • #1,306
  • Jun 1, 2010 5:21pm Jun 1, 2010 5:21pm
Quoting golden1
I am hoping for a real answer from people trading this thread now.. how are you doing?

Can you post some recent trades!!?

The one hour/5 min does not seem consistent enough for me
as a variation, however have you all checked taking
only the strongest signals on 1hr/15 min. One hour for trend
and 15 min for entry.

Using the three main indicators perfect reading only on both time frames, it has a lot of potential, is anyone else trading this time frame combo or would be interested in testing out with me?

The four hour is just too long for...

Brian,
I've been experimenting with different TFs and have had mixed results using the 1H/15M combination. Today I took 4 trades on a demo and made pips on three and broke even on one (because of greed).
Swamper
  • #1,307
  • Edited 3:07pm Jun 16, 2010 2:37pm | Edited 3:07pm
I am enjoying using 1hr/15m correlation and I like it very much so far.
I like using the 1gannhilo dots and stoch 13 3 3 from same time frame
and trend time frame on entry chart.

The gannhilo dots have to be the correct color and price above/below
and the stochastic I want the entry time frame below 50 and the
higher tf ie 1 hr also below 50 on entry for short, vice versa long.

Brian

Quoting swamper
Brian,
I've been experimenting with different TFs and have had mixed results using the 1H/15M combination. Today I took 4 trades on a demo and made pips on three and broke even on one (because of greed).
Swamper
  • #1,308
  • Jun 17, 2010 6:56am Jun 17, 2010 6:56am
Are you using the Gann Hilo ind. that shows MA crosses by marking them with dots rather than the standard version where the indicator line gives buy/sell signal by its position below/above the candles?
Swamper
  • #1,309
  • Jun 17, 2010 9:10am Jun 17, 2010 9:10am
Cheers.
  • #1,310
  • Jun 18, 2010 4:56am Jun 18, 2010 4:56am
Hello Everyone

I've been using this system for a couple of weeks with a good results.
I perfectly understand that there is no 100% system that gives only
good signals but what happened this week tear my account apart.

So After my loss I added serval more indicator to find out if those
false signal could be predicted somehow.

To basic chart I added:

Trendlordbars 2
Buyselltrendlord 2

and volume indicator

Please see situation nr 1

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/2513/h41a.jpg


We can see here downtrend of USD/CAD and first frash signal of 4 hour
chart.Please note That at this moment I did not know that market is
going to be in consolidation. It was just as good signal as every
before


so I switched to 30 min chart and waiting for new signal


http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/5453/m301m.jpg


I appeared right there. All conditions were met even negative volume.
Is there any way to find out if this is a false signal?

So I you ware watching USD/CAD You know that exactly the same
situation happened again next day!

Signal on 4h 17.06- 8 AM
Signal on 30min- 12:30

I Of course I entered again....

So anyway. What should I do to avoid such a mistakes in
future?

Many thanks for your reply

Thank You i Advance

Darius
  • #1,311
  • Jun 18, 2010 12:12pm Jun 18, 2010 12:12pm
Darius,
I've encounter similar situations. The indicators tell me to take the trade, and the trade ends up losing pips. I've added additional indicators (as have others) and they help a little. In order to prevent this, and I haven't been totally successful, I jump to a lower TF to check PA and to a higher TF to check for trend/countertrend. I look closely at candle formations, S&R, fibs, etc. The system isn't as simple as it appears especially when a strong trend isn't in play. Also the inventor of the AO has very specific rules for its use and effectiveness (not simply above/below). I noticed that you waited for a new HA signal on the 30m TF. If you had entered on the downtrend when first switching to the 30m TF (where the AO descends and then crosses the zero line) rather than waiting for the new HA signal, which aren't always accurate, you would have made a few pips.
Swamper
  • #1,312
  • Jun 18, 2010 3:25pm Jun 18, 2010 3:25pm
Add to chart and give me feedback what you think.

volume enhanced, 500 volume level and of course
30m time frame and bbsqueeze, the one attached
with its settings, I want to make sure the green fire
light in the middle bar is on always before I trade
and histogram preferably too agreeing, certainly
not disagreeing, ie blue histogram above green fire
bars and I want to go short, would be a no.

Also, those still active here, please help check
the good and bad trades and tell me what you
find.
1. Pay attention to the MA lines, for a short, the
3 should be clearly spread out below the 5 on the signal
candle and if not the entry candle, but really
should be agreeing correctly on the signal candle, some
bad trades I have seen this is an easy mistake to avoid.
2. I prefer if the AO agrees in color on the 30m entry
not just above/below or ignoring it completely
for entry. I prefer the color agrees before entry.
3. I only take the first entry in trend that strongly agrees
with the 4 hr, until there is a strong retrace on the
30m against the 4 hr trend and then you get a new
strong 30m signal back into trend. So only taking the
first good 30m signal in the 4hr trend and then not
taking any until the 30 moves against the trend
for a decent move, not just a ha signal but price
retraces and then we get a new 30m signal
returning to the 4hr trend.

For all of us wanting to make this work big for those
still interested, please help me check your trades
based upon the above.

thanks!

Brian



Quoting Darius85
Hello Everyone

I've been using this system for a couple of weeks with a good results.
I...
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  • #1,313
  • Jun 20, 2010 8:14am Jun 20, 2010 8:14am
Brian,
I'll try the indicators this week to see if they work for me. Have you abandoned the 1H/15M TF?
Swamper
  • #1,314
  • Jun 20, 2010 11:15am Jun 20, 2010 11:15am
Not abandoned no.. but I am becoming more either A or B
A I trade a special 1 min setup that is very high hit
rate and lots of small trades and then other
than that B I want to be able to place trades and
set a standard TP and SL for each one and make tons
of pips on a lower risk level, ie lower leverage and the
4 hr 30m is good for that, and with the rules I gave above
at least as high success rate with more net pips
which is the bottom line

Brian

Quoting swamper
Brian,
I'll try the indicators this week to see if they work for me. Have you abandoned the 1H/15M TF?
Swamper
  • #1,315
  • Jun 20, 2010 10:41pm Jun 20, 2010 10:41pm
Golden1

Is Your "special setup for 1m" a version of HA T3?
  • #1,316
  • Jun 21, 2010 2:13am Jun 21, 2010 2:13am
Well I want to ask about one more thing

Here We could get around 50 pips. I wonder IF any of You ware able to catch it?

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/146/76376929.jpg



I did not enter because there ware 3 support lines

1.0251
1.0230

and

1.0213

Of course signal to go short appeared only at 4 hour chart. We will
never get another one at 30M


Well all indicator ware showing that trend is getting stronger but
as I mentioned in my previous post It was almost the same situation.

The difference is that in previous time prices ware not able to
penetrate support line and this time they did it without any
problems.
My question is:

Is there a way to define that trend is strong enough to go though
support line without waiting for another signal on 30m chart?

Waiting for your reply

Thank you in advance

Darius.
  • #1,317
  • Jun 23, 2010 2:33pm Jun 23, 2010 2:33pm
HI all,

This is a good technique and I think the key to being successful is add-ons....

They pay for your not-so-good trades. Plus, it could take a week before you get a good trade. I abandoned this technique because staying up all night is a bit too much for me now.

So.. Something I recommend is to ADD this EA. Once it has your criteria, then plop this baby on your chart in whichever direction and away you go. Sorry, you will have to read the thread.

I have been using it with the HA arrow bar from this thread and it is doing OK. Trading 22 pairs, but I haven't really hit a trend yet and I am slightly positive. But, when I do!!!! This thing will print money!

This works great!

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthread.php?t=226059

--oh, and I would use Steve's MPTM with it and you will get the most pips.
We are our own best indicator.
  • #1,318
  • Jun 25, 2010 12:39am Jun 25, 2010 12:39am
Quoting bluemele
HI all,

<snip>

--oh, and I would use Steve's MPTM with it and you will get the most pips.
Hi bluemele,

Thanks for the tip: this EA looks very interesting! Would you please describe how you're setting up MPTM to work with this EA?

Many Thanks,

desmodeus
  • #1,319
  • Jun 25, 2010 5:11am Jun 25, 2010 5:11am
Hi,
I've just found this system and it actually suits my needs better, since it is on a larger time frame, and still makes more pips.
I would like to discuss about the original HA T3-1 system discussed in the beginning of this tread.
I have read first pages, downloaded all indicators, set it up and now I am still curious about some things:

1. Direction of a trend on 4h chart
- Is it true that there is (let's say) bearish trend all until it is changed into a bullish trend when Heiken, AO and TrendLord oscillators all line up?
- What I want to say that: Is the main trend only true while all those three indicators are lined up, or all until they are all lined up in the opposite direction?

2. Entry point
- Is there a strict way to tell when to enter on a trade?
- I understood that a trade should be entered into only when I get a valid signal from the 4h chart.
- Should all indicators on 30m chart (Heiken, W-LNX, AO, TrendLord) line up, or only some of them?

Thanks
  • #1,320
  • Jun 25, 2010 7:12am Jun 25, 2010 7:12am
Agapetos

Let me try to answer you question because corrently I'm working on my own system
that contains some of indicators from HA t3

Well let start:

- Is it true that there is (let's say) bearish trend all until it is changed into a bullish trend when Heiken, AO and TrendLord oscillators all line up?

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I mean the AO shows direction of a trend but as We already know
during lets say "main trend" there are several short therm
trends! And every of them can be a beginning of new log term trend.

This is the main problem I faced using this system. It forced You to
follow main trend. And does not recognize short one(which can be
really big).

If You want to use this system you have to watch carefully support
and resistance line because this system gives a lot of false signals
when prices are close to S/R lines

- What I want to say that: Is the main trend only true while all those three indicators are lined up, or all until they are all lined up in the opposite direction?

So the answer is NO. Or maybe yes if You put your stop loss for about
200-300 pips. In this case You may try to wait for a short therm
reversing

2. Entry point
- Is there a strict way to tell when to enter on a trade?

Well You watch for 4h chart for the first arrow and then wait for
another one(the same direction) on 30 min chart. But Ad I said there
are many false signals especially close to support and resistance
lines


- I understood that a trade should be entered into only when I get a valid signal from the 4h chart.

Yes Valid signal on 4h chard and second one on 30m chart

- Should all indicators on 30m chart (Heiken, W-LNX, AO, TrendLord) line up, or only some of them?

Well According to the creator of this system. Only W-linx must be the
same color. Every else on 30m chart are not important.

But I must say that it is better if signal on 30m chart are the same
direction as well.

I hope I Helped You a bit

Good Luck!
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