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  • #248,221
  • May 26, 2010 3:42pm May 26, 2010 3:42pm
Quoting uraceulose
i'm as serious as a heart attack..did you even watch the video? or are you just posting blindly?
You really think this has to do with what you posted before:


I don't think so - our polticans spent to much since decades - in your country, in mine and 90% oif the other countrys

look what happend the last 28 years - 13 folded

USA DEBT
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  • #248,222
  • May 26, 2010 3:43pm May 26, 2010 3:43pm
Posted this earlier...



If H&S validates with the break of the neckline at 1.2148 Target is around 1.178
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  • #248,223
  • May 26, 2010 3:45pm May 26, 2010 3:45pm
Quoting uraceulose
i'm as serious as a heart attack..did you even watch the video? or are you just posting blindly?
here where that # came from earlier. its why is a moving target.
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those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #248,224
  • May 26, 2010 3:46pm May 26, 2010 3:46pm
Quoting mokonni
You really think this has to do with what you posted before:


I don't think so - our polticans spent to much since decades - in your country, in mine and 90% oif the other countrys

look what happend the last 28 years - 13 folded

USA DEBT
yes, but the ratio to gdp improves over the next 2-3 years for the USA. Not only improves by one side rising, but by one side rising and one side falling.
  • #248,225
  • May 26, 2010 3:47pm May 26, 2010 3:47pm
think were gonna go to 1.21 tonight?
  • #248,226
  • May 26, 2010 3:50pm May 26, 2010 3:50pm
Quoting mokonni
You really think this has to do with what you posted before:


I don't think so - our polticans spent to much since decades - in your country, in mine and 90% oif the other countrys

look what happend the last 28 years - 13 folded

USA DEBT
We've all seen the US debt clock bud.
What country? What politician? and what did they spend hundreds of billions on? We're not talking about buying US services/tech

How does this change the fact that the US spends billions all over the world in places like Haiti, Europe...help is needed. we borrow/print to come help.

If we don't, the bankers lose money..
  • #248,227
  • May 26, 2010 3:50pm May 26, 2010 3:50pm
i hope so, shorted at .2193, if it goes up shorting again
  • #248,228
  • May 26, 2010 3:51pm May 26, 2010 3:51pm
Quoting gatorinla
here where that # came from earlier. its why is a moving target.
I see said the blind man
  • #248,229
  • May 26, 2010 3:56pm May 26, 2010 3:56pm
Quoting mokonni
You really think this has to do with what you posted before:


I don't think so - our polticans spent to much since decades - in your country, in mine and 90% oif the other countrys

look what happend the last 28 years - 13 folded

USA DEBT
yeah exactly.. so whats left over to support your exports.. shit runs down hill. don't omit Asia has taken your market share. it was pumped up ridding the coattails of commodities not on merit. now you print, so the merit you had is lost. you dont have commodities you do have failed banking and loss of industrial market share. you population ages each day.. you dont breed enough to keep the ponzi scheme going. you owe more then you take in.
both are in a bad position but unlike many u.s. is the consumer.. but we can make all we consume if we want. u.s devaluing currency gave the 1.6 gift to you.. it wasn't on your merit.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #248,230
  • May 26, 2010 3:57pm May 26, 2010 3:57pm
i don't see how anyone can hope that Greece would go BK in these days..it would create a snowball-effect that will take out other bigger targets on it's way to hell...
  • #248,231
  • May 26, 2010 4:02pm May 26, 2010 4:02pm
Quoting minosd
i don't see how anyone can hope that Greece would go BK in these days..it would create a snowball-effect that will take out other bigger targets on it's way to hell...
how do you figure.. its gonna cost you more to bail them out. but now you don't just cut you losses.. you risk your entire account.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #248,232
  • May 26, 2010 4:05pm May 26, 2010 4:05pm
If we don't, the bankers lose money....


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  • #248,233
  • May 26, 2010 4:06pm May 26, 2010 4:06pm
Quoting minosd
i don't see how anyone can hope that Greece would go BK in these days..it would create a snowball-effect that will take out other bigger targets on it's way to hell...
The other bigger targets won't keep investing their good money into bad investments forever man. If they can't pay the bills, they go BK...they made the May payment by a couple of days..

Picture average Joe..when you get to the point where you're paying your bills the day before they're due...you're broke and it's probably getting worse for them.

The toughest part to overcome is that fact that Europe doesn't produce shit for trade...when you compare to what China/Asia can produce..they are in deep trouble man.
You guys are from Europe, do you see everyone in Europe just agreeing to a central fiscal/economical policy?

It doesn't seem like it by what's on the news. This is the only way that a Central bank/individual states can work. It worked for awhile but now look at it...how many major recessions has the dollar survived?
How long ago was it you heard Euro was going to be new reserve currency?

And so I'm clear, i do not hope that Greece goes under although I do think it's the best thing. They will be paying more to borrow 3-4 months from now that they are now...they can't afford it now
  • #248,234
  • May 26, 2010 4:08pm May 26, 2010 4:08pm
I think it's a mistake to underestimate the breeding capacities of europeans: here in Belgium for example the media has been saying for a long time we will have a big problem with ageing population around 2030, but what i see around me is different. There is immigration also like everywhere and the numbers of baby's/mother is also growing fast since a few years (there never have been so many kindergartens in belgium and we still miss hundreds)...and even if we get to a population that's older then the rest of the world, i'm sure by then we will find a way to increase our GDP by using knew technologies and easier ways to produce, so that even an 80 year old will be able to work in a fabric: for example the robots japanese are already using to increase their body-strenght for about 50%
just a few toughts..
  • #248,235
  • May 26, 2010 4:10pm May 26, 2010 4:10pm
Quoting minosd
i don't see how anyone can hope that Greece would go BK in these days..it would create a snowball-effect that will take out other bigger targets on it's way to hell...
It's survival of the fittest. Greece is only a small limb in the EZ ecomony and it has gangrene. Cut if off and save the whole. This prolonged EZ slide is not helping anyone.

Question, I remember over a year ago when Ben Bernanke was getting grilled by the US congress or a subcommity, about the lending out / swaps of $700 billion USD, in exchange for EUROs. Looked stoopid then, but now it looks like a genius move. The EZ owes the US a tonne of dollars and the greenback is appreciating. The US owes the European central banks a tonne of Euros, and they're dirt cheap right now. I see Europe going bankrupt before the US. Thoughts?
Si vis pacem, para bellum.
  • #248,236
  • May 26, 2010 4:12pm May 26, 2010 4:12pm
Quoting uraceulose
I forgot Geithner was over there...

He's just on another comedy tour: going to go tell the Chinese how sound the American economy is. It was such a big hit last time that they demanded he come back to do it again
  • #248,237
  • May 26, 2010 4:15pm May 26, 2010 4:15pm
Quoting uraceulose
The other bigger targets won't keep investing their good money into bad investments forever man. If they can't pay the bills, they go BK...they made the May payment by a couple of days..

Picture average Joe..when you get to the point where you're paying your bills the day before they're due...you're broke and it's probably getting worse for them.

The toughest part to overcome is that fact that Europe doesn't produce shit for trade...when you compare to what China/Asia can produce..they are in deep trouble man.
You guys are from Europe, do you...
I understand your point of view, but the US for ewample also has a huge debt and one day they will also face the fear of BK..People are talking about Spain: but spain's Debt is only 65% of it's GDP...The US's and UK's debt is almost at ,and already over 100%, so Spain for example maybe has a big unemployment problem, houses that don't get sold ect., but they are far from BK..for the moment! I mean: if Greece can go BK than UK and US can too
  • #248,238
  • May 26, 2010 4:15pm May 26, 2010 4:15pm
maybe if this will end as a double bottom there will be a retrace . but i don t think it will be a big one.
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  • #248,239
  • May 26, 2010 4:20pm May 26, 2010 4:20pm
Quoting minosd
I understand your point of view, but the US for ewample also has a huge debt and one day they will also face the fear of BK..People are talking about Spain: but spain's Debt is only 65% of it's GDP...The US's and UK's debt is almost at ,and already over 100%, so Spain for example maybe has a big unemployment problem, houses that don't get sold ect., but they are far from BK..for the moment! I mean: if Greece can go BK than UK and US can too
Dont compare greece to the United States or the United Kingdom, PLEASE!!!
  • #248,240
  • May 26, 2010 4:21pm May 26, 2010 4:21pm
Quoting minosd
I understand your point of view, but the US for ewample also has a huge debt and one day they will also face the fear of BK..People are talking about Spain: but spain's Debt is only 65% of it's GDP...The US's and UK's debt is almost at ,and already over 100%, so Spain for example maybe has a big unemployment problem, houses that don't get sold ect., but they are far from BK..for the moment! I mean: if Greece can go BK than UK and US can too
You're right, we are talking about the near future though or at least I am(2-5 years). The US has major issues. Right now, the biggest MAJOR ISSUE is Europe.
Keep in mind everything the US still has left in it's bag of tricks to stave off a dollar collapse..raise rates, stop buying debt, China peg...not that it'll pay off 13 trillion but it doesn't have to.
We don't retire some of us now until 65-70. social security don't pay till like 62 or 65...what are they pulling for in Europe 50 on both? Who's gonna work/build stuff to pay these guys promised pensions?
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