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  • #521
  • Apr 24, 2010 11:21pm Apr 24, 2010 11:21pm
Quoting mcmillan
We have that "delusion" because we understand statistics and can do the math. Maybe you should take a class. Non-scalping methods with SL < 15 pips ? Yeah,sure.... How's everything in the Matrix? I bet the steaks are delicious and the trades are always profitable.
I agree, 15 pips SL is a culmination of ignorance. I prefer 3 pips SL maximum, taking 50-100 of pips profit minimum.
  • #522
  • Apr 24, 2010 11:31pm Apr 24, 2010 11:31pm
Quoting Ulterior
I agree, 15 pips SL is a culmination of ignorance. I prefer 3 pips SL maximum, taking 50-100 of pips profit minimum.

  • #523
  • Apr 24, 2010 11:33pm Apr 24, 2010 11:33pm
Quoting mcmillan
I was serious
  • #524
  • Apr 24, 2010 11:43pm Apr 24, 2010 11:43pm
Quoting Jcpfx
The idea of risking money that is not mine was the correct way of thinking,
I disagree, after five years of trying your guts out any return you have is your hard earned money. you worked harder and longer at this than anything and the hourly rate was less than peanuts, why would you treat it as any different to money earned any other way?the way to success is to protect capital, not risk it
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  • #525
  • Apr 24, 2010 11:55pm Apr 24, 2010 11:55pm
Quoting M.A.C.Doug
I disagree, after five years of trying your guts out any return you have is your hard earned money. you worked harder and longer at this than anything and the hourly rate was less than peanuts, why would you treat it as any different to money earned any other way?the way to success is to protect capital, not risk it
Correct. Any money that ends up on my balance are my money now. And it will require some supernatural forces to take it away from me. Therefore you must treat every dollar you put in a trade as yours, no matter where it came from or how
  • #526
  • Apr 25, 2010 2:56am Apr 25, 2010 2:56am
Quoting Ulterior
Correct. Any money that ends up on my balance are my money now. And it will require some supernatural forces to take it away from me. Therefore you must treat every dollar you put in a trade as yours, no matter where it came from or how
I agree with you and MACDoug, and for another reason also. An edge can come only from exploiting known vagaries of market behavior; basing decisions on things like recent trading performance, or the floating P/L on current trades, has no basis other than personal comfort.
  • #527
  • Apr 25, 2010 3:28am Apr 25, 2010 3:28am
Quoting j-pax
hello h.rearden,

i am always curious about people who made it and continued to trade for a living. so i whould certainly welcome some info on your trading.

about your question.... i think you can make a living from a small account if you are consistent. if you are not even a million will disapear.

i live on a litlle more than 1k. euro a month and save 100 a month building a grubstake. i am in a very expensive country so it would be very difficult and impossible if i get a car, a wife and children.

if in a couple of years iam consistent (i...
Hello

i Thing you can make a living from 10k i m a beginner and i ulos try to make a living .
I leave in the same country where you leave in the netherlands.
I dont thing you have to move to an 3rd world country to make a living from 10k i thing ones you are profitable from 10k you will make 10% monthly its nice moneye and than you have 11k and you make from this 11k is 10% 1100 euros that means that your account will grow . and you can save more and more but you must trade very conervative to be consistently.
I m a newbie and this is my idea about trading.

greet you,

Yoenes.
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  • #528
  • Apr 25, 2010 5:01am Apr 25, 2010 5:01am
Quoting Yoenes
Hello

i Thing you can make a living from 10k i m a beginner and i ulos try to make a living .
I leave in the same country where you leave in the netherlands.
I dont thing you have to move to an 3rd world country to make a living from 10k i thing ones you are profitable from 10k you will make 10% monthly its nice moneye and than you have 11k and you make from this 11k is 10% 1100 euros that means that your account will grow . and you can save more and more but you must trade very conervative to be consistently.
I m a newbie and this is my idea...

Well, if newbies makes 10% out of market a month, its time to exit the business
  • #529
  • Apr 25, 2010 6:53am Apr 25, 2010 6:53am
To trade for a living in western europe you need at least 250k euro and hopefully in your country you can choose to pay the taxes at the end of the year, to profit accordingly from the compound interest.

10k are a very good joke in Netherlands.
  • #530
  • Apr 25, 2010 4:55pm Apr 25, 2010 4:55pm
Quoting Sauron
To trade for a living in western europe you need at least 250k euro and hopefully in your country you can choose to pay the taxes at the end of the year, to profit accordingly from the compound interest.
Hi, respect your thoughts.
Can you break this down please?
Are you splitting the 'fund' in two, where the trader withdraws a part per month and the other part he can compound?
Thanks.
  • #531
  • Apr 25, 2010 11:42pm Apr 25, 2010 11:42pm
Quoting Ulterior
I agree, 15 pips SL is a culmination of ignorance. I prefer 3 pips SL maximum, taking 50-100 of pips profit minimum.
So most of your trades get stopped out and your good ones break even? I don't see how you don't lose big money over time with such little market leeway and high expectations.
Thank you Lux!
  • #532
  • Apr 25, 2010 11:57pm Apr 25, 2010 11:57pm
Quoting mcmillan
We have that "delusion" because we understand statistics and can do the math....
Are you referring when you say ..."their BS"... to my thread?

If so, please explain to everyone here at which point I left out the notion of risk ?

Secondly, your capitalization should not depend on our guess about the length of any unknown winning or losing steak, but your trade risk should depend on your capitalization.

Further to that, the trading model (anyone chooses to adopt) should take into account trade characteristics that could be adverse to trading small accounts (I am sure I don't need to explain that to a professional like yourself).

H. Rearden
  • #533
  • Apr 26, 2010 12:35am Apr 26, 2010 12:35am
Quoting Vik22
Are you splitting the 'fund' in two, where the trader withdraws a part per month and the other part he can compound?
Thanks.
I wouldn't split that amount and I wouldn't withdraw monthly. For living I'd prefer to have another 50k which are enough for 1-2 years.
  • #534
  • May 7, 2010 2:18pm May 7, 2010 2:18pm
ive had £10 in my account built it up to 200
pound

took time was ninja

lookingh to make more asap

need the money
in a minium paid job at the moment

and things look bad in the markets

good time to sell stuff
  • #535
  • May 7, 2010 7:35pm May 7, 2010 7:35pm
Quoting Yoenes
I leave in the same country where you leave in the netherlands.
I dont thing you have to move to an 3rd world country to make a living from 10k i thing ones you are profitable from 10k you will make 10% monthly its nice moneye and than you have 11k and you make from this 11k is 10% 1100 euros that means that your account will grow . and you can save more and more but you must trade very conervative to be consistently.
I m a newbie and this is my idea about trading.
You make 10%, turning 10k into 11k. Now you must pay rent, food, utilities etc. The only way you'll make a living off 10k (and grow it over time) making just 10% per month is to have no expenses.

Trade conservatively? More like the opposite - you'll have to trade aggressively.

Quoting sauron
To trade for a living in western europe you need at least 250k euro and hopefully in your country you can choose to pay the taxes at the end of the year, to profit accordingly from the compound interest.
You don't "need at least..." anything. What is needed varies massively depending on personal situation and skill. When you said 250k is needed, what you really meant was that you need 250k, and you think others need 250k.
  • #536
  • Aug 18, 2010 6:30am Aug 18, 2010 6:30am
again: there at least 1 member (from 2007) making money with the stoch 300 MTF teqnique?
  • #537
  • Aug 18, 2010 10:07am Aug 18, 2010 10:07am
Quoting giraia_br
again: there at least 1 member (from 2007) making money with the stoch 300 MTF teqnique?
I tried that method for some times losing money :|
  • #538
  • Aug 18, 2010 11:38am Aug 18, 2010 11:38am
With consistent profit, solid risk management practices and supportive leverages, yes, small account can make money
Make your losses in demo. Earn your profits live.
  • #539
  • Aug 19, 2010 5:03pm Aug 19, 2010 5:03pm
Just found this thread and wanted to subscribe.

Will read it through soon.
  • #540
  • Aug 20, 2010 3:52am Aug 20, 2010 3:52am
Quoting skyline
I tried that method for some times losing money :|

yeah, i tried many times. It is almost a good diea to reverse the entries.
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