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  • #214,021
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:13pm Mar 21, 2010 10:13pm
Great, health insurance passed. Now let's do something about the unemployment. I know how we can make sure everyone has a job. Let's fine them.
  • #214,022
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:17pm Mar 21, 2010 10:17pm
Quoting mmccormac
I don't even see how it's legal, How can you force people to buy insurance?

I'm speechless here, I think it's time to find a new place to live.
all great empires have their time... ours isn't over yet but i really do believe it's about time to short us.

m
  • #214,023
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:24pm Mar 21, 2010 10:24pm
Quoting acumen
all great empires have their time... ours isn't over yet but i really do believe it's about time to short us.

m
I have never met one person who even remotely supported this. I wish I was surprised that it passed.
  • #214,024
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:28pm Mar 21, 2010 10:28pm
Quoting Clouds
Great, health insurance passed. Now let's do something about the unemployment. I know how we can make sure everyone has a job. Let's fine them.
We have a system here that's kinda, sorta similar. Hospitals are free, but you can choose private hospitals via insurance if you wish. Visits to the doctor isn't free, neither is the medication, but most medication is subsidised to a certain extent. If your gross annual income is less than x amount, then you qualify for a Community Services Card, which will get you doctors visits for next-to-nothing, as well as medication for next-to-nothing. Of course the rest of us are the ones who actually pay for this subsidy, but it's cheaper than the alternative, which is poor health for those on lower (or none) incomes. It ain't perfect, but it seems to work.
Doing what you like is Freedom. Liking what you do is Happiness.
  • #214,025
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:29pm Mar 21, 2010 10:29pm
Anyone under 30, is going have premiums rise 50%. Age rating is no longer a factor in health insurance, but for car insurance it's ok. That's the treatment younger people get, with a house full of grandpas.
  • #214,026
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:29pm Mar 21, 2010 10:29pm
Quoting Cod
I have never met one person who even remotely supported this. I wish I was surprised that it passed.
I have a small business that I have been recognized as one of the best the first 8 out of the last ten years. This deal is one big reason why I am bowing out in 30 days. No feeling sorry, its just time to move on. Its the employees I feel bad for. They understand the climate as well.
  • #214,027
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:48pm Mar 21, 2010 10:48pm
We might not get a retrace on the EU before another wave down to the 3440's, and if this move down happens before a retrace it should be limited to the prior lows ...

My only reason behind that comment above is the fact that the Pound just broke the 4hr trend line to the down side, but it's not confirmed with a closed candle yet. Time will tell.
  • #214,028
  • Mar 21, 2010 10:52pm Mar 21, 2010 10:52pm
The bright side is the new bill creates 17,000 more irs jobs.
What will the Dow look like tomorrow?
  • #214,029
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:04pm Mar 21, 2010 11:04pm
Quoting Clouds
The bright side is the new bill creates 17,000 more irs jobs.
What will the Dow look like tomorrow?
What in the world makes you think government jobs are good for the economy. They work a few years and all of the sudden they deserve the blood and sweat of the tax payers. While we get increased taxes just to cover their luxurious retirements and benefits.
  • #214,030
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:12pm Mar 21, 2010 11:12pm
Quoting Clouds
The bright side is the new bill creates 17,000 more irs jobs.
What will the Dow look like tomorrow?
Just a guess....but I bet Wall Street pitches a fit.....
  • #214,031
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:20pm Mar 21, 2010 11:20pm
Quoting PriceVolume
Just a guess....but I bet Wall Street pitches a fit.....
US stock futures are down 1%
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  • #214,032
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:21pm Mar 21, 2010 11:21pm
Remember two things. First this deal will free-up some liquidity, and second and more important, a lot of deals and accomodations had to be reached to get this bill passed. There is probably as much money in the backroom deals as in the healthcare...JMO

Quoting PriceVolume
Just a guess....but I bet Wall Street pitches a fit.....
Ah Luv the smell of a good prediction in the mornin!
  • #214,033
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:24pm Mar 21, 2010 11:24pm
Quoting Cod
I have never met one person who even remotely supported this. I wish I was surprised that it passed.
hello.. ive been paying for others to go to the hospital on my dime all my adult life. my insurance went from over 200 per month for a famliy to 1100 today. with unemployment up there are less in the pool today so my rates will go up further. 200 to 1100 hundred is about 550% increase in 22 years. the sad part is that % has increased 100% in the last 3 years. so if you know anything about the rule of 72. that 550% will be 1100% in 3 years and 2200% in 6....it eqauls to 4400$ per month.. add in more people not being able to afford it and that # is much higher. because we will still pay for others to go to the (er) hospital.
when i was a kid and would go to the doctor there were 2 people working there. the doc and the nures, the nurse greeted us and filed the insurance/made appointments.
my wife 4 years back wanted to work. so she did.. she went to work for a friend at an eye clinic.. the kind with a real eye doctor/surgery.. this single doc had 25 people working for him.. some with other medical entry positions.. but no others were doctors. one girl made the appointments. a few others handled filing. about 18 girls were there for strickly billing to insurance companies. there were even 2 girls who had the sole job of arguing with the different insurance companies. all insurance is different so these girls had a group of different companies that were there specialty.

the insurance companies on there other side had professional (just say no to everything type employees)... my original doc 35 years earlier had 2 people. w/o a pc. if you go to your docs office count the people.. and ask if there is a billing office off sight.. of these 25 people add the doc... then add the people that those insurance companies support. then the support for bigger office/utlitys/ drug salesmen and ass wipping paper for at least 35 people.. there is your bullshit health care cost.. i dont mind anyone having a job. but im against me paying for it. take out those 25 + people (the extra cost).. and my insurance goes down.. if not rule of 72 kicks in and nobody has insurance in a few years unless you are a politician.. i would much rather have what they have or neither of us have anything.

but whether you are for or against.. me personally. im already paying for it..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #214,034
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:24pm Mar 21, 2010 11:24pm
Obama is the messiah.
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  • #214,035
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:37pm Mar 21, 2010 11:37pm
Quoting mmccormac
We might not get a retrace on the EU before another wave down to the 3440's, and if this move down happens before a retrace it should be limited to the prior lows ...

My only reason behind that comment above is the fact that the Pound just broke the 4hr trend line to the down side, but it's not confirmed with a closed candle yet. Time will tell.
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  • #214,036
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:41pm Mar 21, 2010 11:41pm
Quoting gatorinla
hello.. ive been paying for others to go to the hospital on my dime all my adult life. my insurance went from over 200 per month for a famliy to 1100 today.
What state?
The average rate for family in Massachusetts a year is $13,288, twice as high as as the majority of other states, except NY. Rates will likely double in most states due to the mandate and pre-existing clause. The reason is people won't get insurance till they get sick, then cancel it when they don't need it.

I would have preferred that the Gov. offer insurance for the uninsurable, and leave it at that.
  • #214,037
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:43pm Mar 21, 2010 11:43pm
Quoting The Fool
US stock futures are down 1%


HCR vote won
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  • #214,038
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:45pm Mar 21, 2010 11:45pm
Quoting mmccormac
I don't even see how it's legal, How can you force people to buy insurance?

I'm speechless here, I think it's time to find a new place to live.
ok ..but please don't leave Rush Limbaugh behind
  • #214,039
  • Mar 21, 2010 11:56pm Mar 21, 2010 11:56pm
Quoting Clouds
What state?
The average rate for family in Massachusetts a year is $13,288, twice as high as as the majority of other states, except NY. Rates will likely double in most states due to the mandate and pre-existing clause. The reason is people won't get insurance till they get sick, then cancel it when they don't need it.

I would have preferred that the Gov. offer insurance for the uninsurable, and leave it at that.
gatorinla

la = louisiana
i hear ya. there are people they will not get it at any price. even if they can afford it. there are others who abuse the system. my point was kinda.. there would not be a need to aurgue about coverage to ic.. the billing could be simplified and eliminate the millions of different procedure codes all different depending on ic. in the process just have a data entry person. and a procedure to have all medical records follow you to eliminate doing same test over and over. one doc could have a better ratio to employees. streamline the system.. people in france and canada live longer then people in the u.s..

if i later want to upgrade my coverage to a private doc and insurance.. that option is still there. ill just pay for the extra at my own discretion..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #214,040
  • Mar 22, 2010 12:03am Mar 22, 2010 12:03am
Quoting Trendstar
ok ..but please don't leave Rush Limbaugh behind
one good thing about have a system with med. rec. following you is the doc shops may be shut down. would have a harder time giving out multiple scripts. to the same person.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
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