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  • #6,281
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:34am Nov 19, 2009 11:34am
Quoting puduman
Hello lbtrader,

can't you say it bounced off the the Kijun Sen because it got near to it and broke the Tenkan Sen before?

My initial SL was above the 15m kijun like you said. Since there was 132.00 nearby I set it to BE after 25 pips in profit. That's also what vic_elc recommends for this pair on the first pages of this thread.

Would you just trail with 15m kijun or do you think when facing a support line setting SL to BE makes sense?
you are right, I did not see the long wick of that candle. trailing with KS is best when your entry was a bounce off KS, makes technical sense, so I would have left it, and don't forget that the signal started 30 candles ago (also Day range was 113% ADR) and so was now reaching exhaustion, and bound to get choppy downthere. finally, I would have taken my 50 pips when it reached 132.00.
  • #6,282
  • Nov 19, 2009 12:02pm Nov 19, 2009 12:02pm
Hey Guys LB and Egy and everyone

here is the link to the tester again

http://www.forexfactory.com/showpost...postcount=6216


Have a nice week guys
  • #6,283
  • Nov 19, 2009 12:16pm Nov 19, 2009 12:16pm
Quoting puduman
Here's my trade:

EURJPY
Entry: 9:00am (GMT) @ 132.50
Stop: 9:32am (GMT) @ 132.46

What was good?
Everything was in line:

 

  1. 4hr and 1hr: showed clear strong signals (as far as I can say).
  2. 15min: price bounced off kijun sen. Good point for entry.

What have I done wrong?
[list][*]After the trade was 25 pips in profit I set my SL to BE +4 pips. One bar later price came up to exactly where my SL was, stopped me out and continued his way down again. If I had put my SL exactly where my entry was, I would have...

This time the entry was good!
Abot the stop - lbtrader answered you - 25 pips are not enoght to move stoploss. That first. Second - try to have logic for the stoploss, like "above KS - that is the line of the trend. Until the price is below, you are save" If you understand that, it will be easier for you to menage your positions.
  • #6,284
  • Nov 19, 2009 12:58pm Nov 19, 2009 12:58pm
Guys i have noticed that the SL is causing you problems

as Happy68 mentioned try to have logic for the stoploss, like "above KS

myself i see that the spanB of the entry TF is the best thing to act as an SL
i feel like it is the point of no return , so if the price broke the whole cloud this
is like a signal of trend changing direction , i have attached this pic for you as an example


feel free to ask about anything
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  • #6,285
  • Nov 19, 2009 1:17pm Nov 19, 2009 1:17pm
I know some of you trade gold but does anyone here trade Oil with Ichimoku?
I have to say I think the shorter timeframes do not work well with ichi for this commodity-maybe the longer TFs only.
The Ts/Ks cross is particularly susceptible to fake moves on oil due to the volatility.
  • #6,286
  • Nov 19, 2009 1:21pm Nov 19, 2009 1:21pm
Quoting SanMiguel
I know some of you trade gold but does anyone here trade Oil with Ichimoku?
I have to say I think the shorter timeframes do not work well with ichi for this commodity-maybe the longer TFs only.
hey San
i have done so using Ichiomku but on 4Hrs TF and the results as usual were amazing . you can back test it yourself am sure you gonna love what you will see
cheers
  • #6,287
  • Nov 19, 2009 2:10pm Nov 19, 2009 2:10pm
Quoting vic_elc
Guys i have noticed that the SL is causing you problems

as Happy68 mentioned try to have logic for the stoploss, like "above KS

myself i see that the spanB of the entry TF is the best thing to act as an SL
i feel like it is the point of no return , so if the price broke the whole cloud this
is like a signal of trend changing direction , i have attached this pic for you as an example


feel free to ask about anything
Guys when I have time to sit in front of the computer and monitor my trades, which I highly recommend until you get the feel and understand the movement of the market. It moves in cycles and Fib retracement etc.

I usually place a manual stop close only! When I first started out I've always placed a hard stop. and most of the time get stopped out and then see it take off in my original direction.

The only thing about the manual SCO is you have to have the discipline to close the position once it closes beyond your initlilal horz bar.

But I agree with Vic and Happy68 use the logic for the stop loss.

Walt
  • #6,288
  • Edited 3:42pm Nov 19, 2009 2:36pm | Edited 3:42pm
Quoting vic_elc
hey San
i have done so using Ichiomku but on 4Hrs TF and the results as usual were amazing . you can back test it yourself am sure you gonna love what you will see
cheers
Apart from the move in October, there are a few ranging periods in oil, which make it tricky to deal with although some of these periods would be successful if the trade was taken on kumo exit. The 2 trade approach would be good as well, closing one with initial 50% profit then leave the rest to run with SL at break even and trail...
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  • #6,289
  • Nov 19, 2009 2:39pm Nov 19, 2009 2:39pm
Quoting SanMiguel
Apart from the move in October, there are a few ranging periods in oil, which make it tricky to deal with although some of these periods would be successful if the trade was taken on kumo exit.
These are the times when you gonna lose some money but if u were in in the long uptrend for sure you will cover your losses and have some extra money

P.S. take care that the oil needs a very tide RM and MM to help you


cheers
  • #6,290
  • Nov 19, 2009 2:43pm Nov 19, 2009 2:43pm
Quoting vic_elc
These are the times when you gonna lose some money but if u were in in the long uptrend for sure you will cover your losses and have some extra money

P.S. take care that the oil needs a very tide RM and MM to help you


cheers
yeah, don't worry, I'm just hunting around at the moment
  • #6,291
  • Nov 19, 2009 4:02pm Nov 19, 2009 4:02pm
hi
u are doing good
just give your trades a room to breath , and trail ur stop once u are in profit the long of KS , i would have trail it using 1 h ks . and u would have made many pips .
u got it man thats very good .
regards

Quoting puduman
Here's my trade:

EURJPY
Entry: 9:00am (GMT) @ 132.50
Stop: 9:32am (GMT) @ 132.46

What was good?
Everything was in line:

 

  1. 4hr and 1hr: showed clear strong signals (as far as I can say).
  2. 15min: price bounced off kijun sen. Good point for entry.

What have I done wrong?
[list][*]After the trade was 25 pips in profit I set my SL to BE +4 pips. One bar later price came up to exactly where my SL was, stopped me out and continued his way down again. If I had put my SL exactly where my entry was, I would have...

  • #6,292
  • Nov 19, 2009 5:44pm Nov 19, 2009 5:44pm
Any one interested

cheers
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  • #6,293
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:21pm Nov 19, 2009 6:21pm
Quoting vic_elc
Any one interested

cheers
Vic-
Entered on the 1- HR TF
I'm in @.8959 I see a potential of 20 to 74 pips. there is 4-hr Flat Kumo R @.8979 & daily R @.9033. I like how the TS is acting as support and the TS bounced off the KS.
I have a manual SCO under the KS
Walt
  • #6,294
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:25pm Nov 19, 2009 6:25pm
Quoting vic_elc
Any one interested

cheers
Yep I'm Interested and was long 0.8835 closed 0.8935
Now not sure if it keep going up or no
But chec the 4H TF and tell me what u think
  • #6,295
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:28pm Nov 19, 2009 6:28pm
Quoting wat
Vic-
Entered on the 1- HR TF
I'm in @.8959 I see a potential of 20 to 74 pips. there is 4-hr Flat Kumo R @.8979 & daily R @.9033. I like how the TS is acting as support and the TS bounced off the KS.
I have a manual SCO under the KS
Walt
That exactly what i mean,Vic what u think
  • #6,296
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:34pm Nov 19, 2009 6:34pm
Quoting egkid
That exactly what i mean,Vic what u think
i see a chance till Ks Daily , may be yes or may be not , but this is a chance
good luck guys
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  • #6,297
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:36pm Nov 19, 2009 6:36pm
EGYKID

Nice words in here

High probability Less Risk
  • #6,298
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:41pm Nov 19, 2009 6:41pm
Quoting vic_elc
i see a chance till Ks Daily , may be yes or may be not , but this is a chance
good luck guys
It's 38 fib on my chart 9025
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  • #6,299
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:47pm Nov 19, 2009 6:47pm
Quoting egkid
It's 38 fib on my chart 9025
then it is a good target i think
good luck
  • #6,300
  • Nov 19, 2009 6:49pm Nov 19, 2009 6:49pm
Quoting vic_elc
EGYKID

Nice words in here

High probability Less Risk
Thanks vic, I try to do my best
I was sell g/u 1.6850 and closed early 1.6770 and long e/g 0.8835 close 0.8935
Always close early I think it's a prblme need to solve it.
Maybe psychology ,I tell my self i close now on profit better than risk but i need to enhanced this
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