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  • #163,581
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:14am Nov 19, 2009 11:14am
trade this Shanghi's business district ocupancy rate is 50%. as goes shanghi goes commodities the anti dollar. cat laid off.. china is lying. their goes your s&p. and your higher commodity pair interest rates.
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #163,582
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:15am Nov 19, 2009 11:15am
Quoting Chicky
Very true.

Know how market works + do your math + neither be a pussy cat or a fool = Success

But charts give you visuals for your mathematics and their utility is undeniable. There is always a chart behind a math (or vice versa).
charts are math..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #163,583
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:15am Nov 19, 2009 11:15am
Quoting Driver55
Correlations exist and are mathematical. I do not know him, then I can only judge what he says. What he wrote is pure crap.
To prove to you that the correlations are mathematical, we can make a game.
Take for example 3 cross
EURJPY, EURUSD, USDJPY.
You tell me 2 values , and I calculate the third.
Of course, the values that you give me, should be taken at the same time.
let's go
I agree, this is the first lesson.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #163,584
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:17am Nov 19, 2009 11:17am
Quoting gatorinla
trade this Shanghi's business district ocupancy rate is 50%. as goes shanghi goes commodities the anti dollar. cat laid off.. china is lying. their goes your s&p. and your higher commodity pair interest rates.

Cat meaning Caterpillar? and if so Big layoffs?
  • #163,585
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:20am Nov 19, 2009 11:20am
Quoting gatorinla
charts are math..
Everything in this universe is a math......... from blackholes to backholes.
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #163,586
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:20am Nov 19, 2009 11:20am
Quoting lldocll
Cat meaning Caterpillar? and if so Big layoffs?
yes .. google it.. this is old news. but cat would not lay off in a commodity boom.. maybe in a doom but not a boom..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #163,587
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:22am Nov 19, 2009 11:22am
Quoting Chicky
Every thing in this universe is a math......... from blackholes to backholes.
yep..
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #163,588
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:26am Nov 19, 2009 11:26am
Everyone just wait, there could be a selloff in the stock market by 3pm
  • #163,589
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:31am Nov 19, 2009 11:31am
well guys,
good evening to all. go to dinner.
See you later
The best thing that can happen to you is to find out where you're wrong.
  • #163,590
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:32am Nov 19, 2009 11:32am
short term bias ;losing; lol
  • #163,591
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:34am Nov 19, 2009 11:34am
Quoting Chicky
Everything in this universe is a math......... from blackholes to backholes.
I'm not math.. Just because something can be measured, explained or represented by math, does not make it math.

Cat does not need to hire in a commodities boom.. The commodities boom talk is in reference to the price, not the amount needed. We can use less commodities next year and still pay double for them in USD's
  • #163,592
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:35am Nov 19, 2009 11:35am
Quoting micho
TRADE WHAT YOU SEE NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT
I too have seen this quote many times. I do however have a different opinion here. Trading what you see "leads to" what you expect..which you prove when you click the buy or sell button. Strategy of "seeying" is irrelevant as we all are unique individuals and use/do what suits our personalities best.
Different opinions highly valued, ignorant to slander.
  • #163,593
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:38am Nov 19, 2009 11:38am
I still think we have a little room to move up yet but I would watch it carefully

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"Risk comes from not knowing what you are doing.“ Warren Buffett
  • #163,594
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:42am Nov 19, 2009 11:42am
Quoting Kramerica
I'm not math.. Just because something can be measured, explained or represented by math, does not make it math......
I apologize.

Neither I or anyone or anything.

You stated it very correctly "can be measured, explained or represented by math"

Where is the fun part?
The Thief of Wall Street
  • #163,595
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:43am Nov 19, 2009 11:43am
Quoting gatorinla
yep..
sorry i dont have more colorful lines but to piss another off i would of had to add them.. and that would let an ass influence my ass.. heres a few levels they work but dont mean shit without a third confirmation i have been waiting for. but since we did not touch 4923 ill post a small portion of math. ass chart well still work also until new high.. this one will work for a good while. pure math..
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  • #163,596
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:46am Nov 19, 2009 11:46am
Quoting Kramerica
I'm not math.. Just because something can be measured, explained or represented by math, does not make it math.

Cat does not need to hire in a commodities boom.. The commodities boom talk is in reference to the price, not the amount needed. We can use less commodities next year and still pay double for them in USD's
what are you smoking??
those who can, do. those who cant, talk about those who can
  • #163,597
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:54am Nov 19, 2009 11:54am
Quoting gatorinla
what are you smoking??
I'm saying that I don't think we will need more commodities if demand for goods is down.. I do however think the price of commodities will be up. That is because the value of fiat currencies will be down in relationship to them.

I have a small business selling machinery.. I'm getting calls all the time from steel companies trying to sell.. and shipping companies trying to ship.. It's insane how many cold calls i'm getting. That's because everything is down.. I don't care what the DOW says.. Or the FED.. or anyone else including those who's business model is simply moving money around (and paper representing wealth).. The demand for paper might be up next year.. and phyical gold, silver and a few others..
  • #163,598
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:54am Nov 19, 2009 11:54am
Quoting Gld
dow is trying real hard to get to the 50% fib ret.
BINGO
hang on to your bread......unless you want toast
  • #163,599
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:56am Nov 19, 2009 11:56am
Quoting FX-Petra
Maybe this will help newer traders:

E/U bias-- long (holy obvious, batman!)

Positions:

Long @ 4850 (1/4 positon)

Pending orders:

Long @ 4815 (1/4) position
Long @ 4775 (1/2) position (Daily trend line)
Long @ 4625 (1/2) position
Long @ 4490 (l full) position (Last big swing low)

below 4450-- hedge, and re-evaluate!

This is just my plan, I am not recommending it to anyone else.
This is a longer term trade plan, not for scalping.

Good luck in your trades!
Thanks FX. Greatly appreciated from one newbie. I'll spend some time analyzing your strategy. Maybe some will rub off on me.
  • #163,600
  • Nov 19, 2009 11:57am Nov 19, 2009 11:57am
Quoting micho
i only realized lately that one person in this forum was saying something true, because this is in fact how i trade

this person is eohater and he always says
TRADE WHAT YOU SEE NOT WHAT YOU EXPECT

once you realizing that you are trading what you see instead of speculating and guessing then you are on the right track

stop the colors and the drawings, its just a distraction. somebody sees head and shoulders another sees double top another sees a sexy ass. all this is not the right interpretation of the price.
just browsing and caught this. just a comment. most people do trade what they see, problem is what they see is history. patterns are there to be exploited and traded. Problem is most traders don't know how to do that properly as they forget it's a numbers game.
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