The System II (Yes with irony)

Not so fast , my Friend!!!

I do not speak english very good, therefore I did can say something wrong on my post... lol....
I know all about your presently trading style.... Yeah! I know 2G+, #1, sf, 123s, 123d, BB etc... Guess why? Because I trade it ... religiously - every day. I have now all the time in the world, and can spend all my time with my laptop and market. Do I catch runners - Yes! Does it worth it to loose some little money for catching the big one move? - Sure!!!

You can check my nickname every day in bottom of your browser!
I read you journal. By the way - here you write still more than in journal....
My bottomline is more fat now than earlier...

So, brother, do not make the fast and wrong decision about me. What about I write in that post - was something about "classic"... I just see that our trading now is very other than the technic from first page. Don't you agree??? And honestly - it is interesting for me why the behavior of EUR/USD is something "changed", and no fits for swing trading well.

About what I did say - "bracket breakout trading". I and Helen - we have two different names for trading approach. "Swings trading" and "Bracket breakout trading". And I did just use this thing. This was wrong - I know - just habit. SORRY! "Bracket breakout trading" - just a name. As I did say already - I know all what you have written here about currently trading approach, because i trade it. Yeah! I need money. And I just have to make it, no matter how!!! I hope you understand me...

So ... now I think we understand each other...

P.S. I like your words about no matter what can happen (speaks, holydays etc.) we have to test the water.... COOL! Keep it!

Fx
my condolences to you and your family
regarding your last trade ...
Can you pls explain how did you hold the trade at the very beginning ?
Looks the price have moved fast against you and bellow the level line .
Looks the trade was like -13 against you before turning on your direction .
I have not seen in the last time that you lose more than 10 p .
Tks
David

Hi DAvid

I guess fx was long from the +3 of the candle with the spike a few pips higher than u have drawn on your chart - I don`t know, but that is my guess. Price never pulled back from there

Wow, this makes so much so clear. Brilliant - this is a must read, must understand post. I want to know how to spot the resting orders. Hope we cover this in January (those who pass the entrance test!)

david,
it was all about momentum and speed.. price was making long reversal strides.. so when ur dealing with that speed u got give the price a little more time and room.. in that case i was willing to give it 15-20 before it takes off for good..
remember there are no set in stone rules.. yes majority of times i bail with -7/-10 but every situation is uniqe for itself and requies some felixbility at the induvidual end.. if we could have treated this like a robot, mind aswell just setup a EA and check the bitch once a day and collect our millions.

I must have mentioned this 600 times by now.. lol

well u quoted my post that i called people out for challenge and new ideas.. that post was not for questions..lol
ok lets put that aside..


your confused?... why?
u got me puzzled now. why am I puzzeled? i tell u.. bcz it dont make sense to me. I explain..
the wednsday chart of yours that i criticed.. u seemed to have no problem trading/handeling the range and make 70+ ..
u had two prefect trades.. u maganged to hold through the range and u managed to get out of it just in time and catch the brearish ride again just in time!!!..
u had done two things.. handeled the range and avoided the chop monsters fakeouts (a few)..
so whats the problem?.. i just wanted to know how do u do that.. is it consistent or not?.. so maybe u could share couple of those trype of trades with us so we/I can learn.
i hope it make sense..
ok.. lets put this one aside too..lol

anyhow, at this time it is what it is.. ur confused and wanna know how to trade/avoid the range..
first of all your question is been answered manytimes in here..
but before i clear this up for you.. firstly i got to be frank with u Paul, and i got to address ur problems to begin with.. and i need to know if your ok with it?..
i don't want to get the a kind of respond that i got from you two days ago, and leads to another chaos here..
so when u can give me the ok then I answer your questions/concerns and confusion clearups.
range and chopp monster are nothing that i can over come.. its simple.

Fx,


I m not gonna even answer all this stuff you thowing at me - u got ego like a gold fish at the moment man you swimming around i circles knocking out at everyone who posts anything which for some reason doesn`t take your fancy LOL The other night you start asking me if I think I am better thn u and FEb - it went wrong there my friend - you obviously do not know me and have forgotten my motives for being on this thread and for being involved in trading at all in the first place - and to show me you havent you can tell the thread for me..............let`s hear it.

You fighting with everyone thats not good - some good people have moved on from - last one was Dare - so you trade 1 million dollar I am happy 4 you my friend seriously , whys hould I not be, I love to be surrounded by people who are successful, if some of it rubs off on me then so much the better - I`m suprised you even talk to me with my 22k account LOL

Confused, sure I am my friend - what I am trying to do is get to the truth and the true rules of this family - you want me to sit in the background f$$k off and say nothing - and take take take like most people in trading no problem you got it - the thread moves on - no issue with that - ideas come and go some get rejected play #2 for example - again no problem with that but now see Febs posts after my question - it was simple question about how to trade an example I posted that is all, nothing mor e nothing less.

Feb trades on swings - he cuts his loads at the ranges, he never trades the break outs, you do, and you don`t cut loads or at least that has never been part of the rules that I can see - sometimes you play 1 sometimes you hold - you don`t get it do you - I wanna know why ??- sometimes you say best to hold cos you save pips on false breakouts - I am not even gonna list the posts where u have said that - they are there people can find them - sometimes you don`t say that, you get the hell out - I wanna know why and on what criteria - thats all !!!! Al u wanna do is turn this thing into some sort of prize fight where the guy with the biggest wonga gets the first prize - have no fear my friend I am more than happy with prize number 198 so long as it is a prize which gives me more than zero pips. and I remain humble AND I can give something to someone else.


I am seriously happy you that u are making a good success of things nothing wrong with that but some himility towards people please. You talking to me like you are some school teacher and I am your whipping boy........


Will the real system II with Irony now please stand up. ?

Hello to all,

It has been a while since I last placed a post although I have been reading every single post from all of you. So why am I posting today? Well, as a longtime member of this thread I feel the need to share my perspective in general terms, without pointing fingers or blaming anyone here. The responsibility and accountability lies in the minds and heart of the people involved. We all in someway shape or form contribute to the "non-sense"

The term "family" is constantly used and if we take that further we all would agree that sooner or later, disagreements, rifts, trash talking etc. shows up. The challenge is not how to eradicate this...imo...is an impossible task, especially when we are communicating via computer terminals; lacking key elements that can lead to problems between humans. This is all obvious to all of us .... so the real challenge is how do we deal with it in the most effective and least destructive manner?

Here are my recommendations:

1. Remember why you are and what you are trying to accomplish.

2. Make sure that before you critique or suggest to someone here, that you check your intentions. Start with a question and wait for an answer... it does wonders for establishing a respectful exchange

3. Follow the rules within the thread...each thread has a few individuals that because of the time/effort/experience and personal reasons dictate the way things get done.

4. If you are at odds with the way things are conducted by the thread or a particular individual and your attempts for clarifications are not to your satisfaction, use other means like private messaging, e-mails, skype etc. Keep the rift between you and the other person out of the public view...imo it injects negativity and confusion in the thread and distracts from our goals here.

5. If your attempts (everyone included) at resolving your issue(s) reach a point that you can not abide by the above then several options are available:

a. Feb puts an end to it by all the means available to him as the originator of this thread

b. You decide that for the benefit of your own sanity and your trading as well as the health of the thread, you put the issue aside and start fresh.

c. You move on to greener pasture somewhere else

d. You switch to "invisible" so that no one can tell if you are in the thread and become a silent reader

e. You start your own thread and share your perspective

f. Your ego(for lack of a better word) can not stand that you are not understood or that you did not win the argument and continue to inject toxic comments in the thread... which eventually can lead to expulsion from the forum.

My friends, I am sure that we may have a difference of opinions or something that you wish to add...by all means share it.... I would recommend that you look at #1 & #2 beforehand.

I really hope that I have contributed something positive to this thread with my comments!

Like the wise man says no response sometimes is the best response..
i just say this though... its funny how your confusion and all was waiting to pop up just as I decided to critic your chart!!!.. all I asked of you was to simply justify your chart since you were as of late constantly deviating from the PLAN.

Thank you Paul and i apprciate your gratitude..

Fx

I am one of the “silents” readers here. I prefer to be in the shadows, but as I’m reading this thread today, I have no choice but to resurface. Feb2865 is without a doubt the only guy here I truly respect and follow. I think you really grasped his concept and have helped many traders here. My hats off to you, buddy.

The problem here is your ego. You need to cool off man! Not everything is a challenge a match or a competition. Just limit yourself to give straight answers like Feb do. You’ll make people around more comfortable. In my humble opinion, you’re not only scaring people off but you will probably make feb run away. I mean, like nomoretoxic said in his last post, this guy is the one you all need to follow. In other words, he’s an asset. But he disappears from time to time. I can’t talk for him but I don’t like his silence on this matter, which has become serious between you and Paul. I agree with the premise of not spoon feeding people, but still there should be a proper way to confront people with their own answers. This is a craft that Mr. Feb really excels.

I’ve been not only a silent student of feb’s methods( including the system I and his loser’s journal) but I also have studied his personality. If you notice, he doesn’t reply to all the inquiries he gets. There must be a reason for that.

Another thing – FX, you have demonstrated the speed and consistency of trading using the system II as a framework. But not everyone have the same intellectual level as you has. I bet plenty of guys here are eager to learn more but they feel intimidated . I know that feb has mentioned many times that this is not for newbies. That’s understood. Although this trading concept is simple, not everybody assimilate things at the same level and speed. Sometimes in life, you need to cut a little slack on people.

Even on the last reply from Feb to Paul – (which by the way, the whole exchange between Paul and Feb is a classic and in my opinion should be labeled a sticky) – he took the time, went to Paul’s level and concerns and he delivered an extraordinary answer tailored to Paul’s needs. Oh and, I forgot…for free!

This post is made with the utmost respect to you and the originator of this thread, Mr. feb2865. I really think that you, as well as feb and some others, are truly assets not only on this thread, but in the rest of forex factory. But things have to be said and I really have the guts to tell it like it is. There’s no thread around that can compare to this one here at FF. Period. There rest is either people trying corner the market with all specimen of indicators or who has the bigger balls talking about randomness and all kinds of horseshit. That’s precisely how this forum is divided.

As a matter of record, I read you sometimes and I always checks your comments, which are truly spot on.




This is for FEB2865 and if I am out of line, please feel free to erase this post.

I am truly missing your “loser’s journal” As for me, this is the crown of all your threads here at forex factory. I’ve been trading a similar concept, but you gave me some perspective, which has increased my profitability since I read that particular thread. Please, in any way you might fit possible, reconsider expand this “loser’s journal thread”

For the record, the “loser’s journal” is so good it could be a written textbook for all traders around. I can’t believe we have this stuff here for free..

Well, this is it. I sincerely hope I haven’t step into anybody’s toes. If I did, well deal with it.

Thanks.

Guys.. some people prefer spending there whole life figure/study different things out and become professional students flip through one to another.. and others learn a simple thing or two then get on to make it a success..
Thats what i have done here.. I have learned a few tricks and got on to turning it into money.. its as simple as that..
I tried to pass it on to you guys.. but knowing that sometimes simple is difficult.. i made myself available to teach by leading with live examples to boost confidence and belief..
now this process (teaching & leading) is not meant to win u a popularity/likability contest.. and i knew that, but i wasn't gonna let that to effect me and half ass the task.. and soon enough there it was.. lol.. got labled all kinds of names such as, dictator, attitude, asshole, and just now egoistic.
if u think i am focused on likability instead of profitability.. then think again.
I could easily keep my mouth shut and let things go.. and be the most popular and likable guy in here.. thats easy.. but, is that gonna make u any better? my critics is for the purpose of you not going down the drain.. thats all.. and thats far from ego.. if i was that type then you wouldn't have been witness to 10,000 system II posts and learn new tricks.

ok.. i shut up for now.. and I go in my shell.. lol

you wanna tip!!!.. FOLLOW THE PLAN.. its a winner.


Take care now..


ps) Journal stays active till end of the yr like i promised.

WHere have you been? Missed your sage wisdom!

In Zen Buddhism they talk about what happens when we have a goal - they picture it as a mountain to walk towards. At first the mountain is clear and we head towards it with no trouble - everyone can see it and the journey is trouble free - everyone agrees where it is because it is there in front of everyone. Then the fog suddenly descends, and people lose direction, they start running around in the fog. They try to fix the fog and forget the mountain - and you can't fix fog - you can't hold it or mold it, define it. Fog is not either right or wrong - it's just fog. Yet somehow the fog replaces the mountain as the goal. People shoot their leaders, beat each other up, insult each other - and ignore the leader who calls them back tot he mountain. Yet the best is to keep walking towards the mountain through the fog. There is always a mountain - even if our mountain is to avoid learning anything new...I know people like that. Our Zen brothers are also clear that there are some people who like to create fog - it is their substitute for a mountain. We see it in the thread. I've noticed there are fog-makers who pop up and like to shoot at Fx by subtly expressing a preference for Feb - "Nice to hear the real leader back instread of this bossy upstart Fx" - and then I notice they hide it by writing "LOL". Children do this with their parents - they create fog between them so they can create confusion, sometimes to get attention, sometimes to express hurt, sometimes because they enjoy the power of creating confusion sitting back and writing "lol". I'm not singling anyone specific in this - this is not about Paul - it is about the thread-fog that decends, will descend again and will always attempt to divert us all. People add fog when they start to add information about pivot points and market intelligence for example and say "I'm only helping". Other currency pairs rear up and all of a sudden someone pops up and says "so there Fx, Feb says I can post other pairs " - there is a periodic "Feb said .......so there!" in the background - and it's no use denying it, there IS, and it's like the school playground sometimes. The need to be 'right' is a prime example of fog posing as a mountain. To be 'right' ultimately leaves somebody 'wrong' - limping away wounded. Playground politics - fog. I'd rather be rich than 'right' about Fibonacci or volumes or the merits of GBPUSD. Who gives a shit who's right or wrong - we have a worthwhile mountain!

This thread has got a bit lost in the fog for a day or two. You can't fix fog - so let's let it go - let it go folks - there's a mountain to walk towards.

The Mountain in this beautiful thread is a way of making as much money as we individually can using a simple philosophy which works - goddammit - it works and it's gift is free riches. That, I wonder how we can forget, is as rare as HEN'S TEETH. The journey is to learn how not to mess up as we work it. That's the challenge and the fun and the power to become free - to be able to say when people ask what you do for a living to include - "I am a successful trader" - and watch them envy the shit out of you. To clothe and feed your family from the craft of making money from NOTHING but your art. Amazing! People dream of this, most people don't believe it's even possible.

Fog offers no progress. So let's beware of fog and getting lost in it. And when it descends someone shout FOG, let's drop the false pride of being 'right' and let's get back on the journey to the Mountain. Some things are better left acknolwedged and then ignored - let's move on.

Feb gave us a mountain - Fx mastered it and has invented a whole load of equipment to make the journey towards it less painful and then shared it amongst us and coached us in its application. He does this for free...can you believe that???????? I promise you at the age of 53 you will not meet many people like that if any in a lifetime. You can use the tools or lose 'em - but arguing the finer points of who said what, when and have they contradicted themselves, been inconsisitent blah blah blah - IS FOG! Trading is full of contradictions - and learning to include them is part of the art for crying out loud!

So what if Fx contradicted himself, took over the thread, isn't Feb, gets pissy once in a while, ignores stupid questions, kicks ass to protect your financial health - there's a lesson in each of these for you if you have the guts and staying power to dig it out you'll find out more often than not that it's you who has missed the point - he has created so much value here that if you can't see that and cut him some slack then you should go back to your proper job making your boss rich!

It's easy to shout 'ego', 'dictator', 'asshole' etc etc from the anonymous shadows without having your own ass on the line - it's cheap, powerless bullshit. Fx has more generosity in his little finger than most of us offer in a lifetime, he has a vulnerable loving heart as a person and a temperament of steel as a trader - and he's a tough teacher...let's face it the market is tougher and hurts far more than his hardest lessons. I've had the privilege of his hard lessons and every time I grew ten feet closer to my mountain - that's no wound (seeing it as a slap or a wound is FOG - GROW UP), that's education. Behind the lesson from FX is his will for my growth not any investment in my failure. I've paid money for crap teachers enough times to recognise that this guy is amongst the best and he doesn't charge a dime! He will celebrate you doing better than him without anything held back and show you his mistakes openly and honestly so you learn from them. Exceptional. And he's right more often than he's not about System II with or without irony. It's not enough to find the right teacher - you HAVE TO become the right student!

So, be careful you don't lose him...because if I were in his shoes, I would seriously wonder why the f++k I should spend my time helping the ungrateful and unwilling for the sake of a small handful who know value when they see it. We should be treasuring this man at the level he deserves it, and not putting up with his being abused - BY ANYONE - even and especially when they insert 'Lol' as if it makes it all OK...it does not! That too is a cheap trick.

I owe him - so anyone who attacks Fx attacks me from here on in - and I invite others to join me in linking arms around him providing some armour for this extraordinary guy - hence I have changed my signature accordingly. This isn't brown-nosing, sycophancy, creeping - this is about recognising someone for their contribution. If you can't see that then you'll never value anyone for fear that someone will call you a 'brown-noser'. Take care of people who take care of you and with whom you share a common mountain - that is true partnership.

So all hail to Feb - Lord of the Mountain, Treasure Map Maker and Heart of Gold and greatest of gratitude to his Chief Guide, Guru and Precision Tool Maker FxAchilles!

Which of us can claim to have contributed a tenth as much to so many people for so little in return? Think about it before you kill it.

We're all extremely fortunate to have found this party. Let's look after it - AND STOP CREATING F£$£$NG FOG to fix...

OK, now I need to say this as i am getting fed up with this. Yes, feb started this thread way back and yes, what he says is very good, generous and usefull. But, guys come on, if it were not for FX do you think this thread would even be here? I thank feb from the bottom of my heart for starting this thread and teaching us this way of trading. however, ALL credit must be given to FX for taking febs concept and turning it into a workable successfull way to trade with a structure that is easy to follow with clear results. For crying out loud, give FX a break. Yes, he is a bit cranky at times but think about all the time and effort he has put into explaining this method and taking us through live trades, going through our trades and offering advise etc. We would have very little to go on now if it were not for FX. I cant really get my head around the FX and paul langham fall out as they seemed good friends. i hope this is resolved as this has the potential to destroy this great thread. Then what are we going to do? look for other threads? buy more systems? read more books? In this thread we have gold. lets not cut off the hand that feeds us. If FX wants to give me a hard time then whatever man, i dont care. it will prob be because i need a kick up the ass and if taken on board will make me loads of money!! I have been in good threads before and unfortunately they all end the same way. a petty argument or some harsh comments. this then adds a bad smell to the thread. before you know it everyone falls out and the thread dies. Then what? you got it, your on your own!
Lets brush all this under the carpet and come in to work monday morning fresh and happy with our plan and each other. Theres lots of money to be made next week and i would very much hope that, as a newbie trader myself, that FX continues to give us his insight on the market, and continues to be cranky as i find it more fun to read lol!!
sorry for me ramblings, guess i just dont want the party to end yet lol! I had to read 700 pages to get up to speed and have only traded this for two weeks. call me selfish but im not ready to be left on my own yet!!

LOL, we must have been typing at the same time! Great post mate. Yes, it is foggy at the moment. come on, lets get to that mountain. we got the tools now, we just got to stick together now and go for it.

As a trader I suck, I post a few times and think I have an idea of what I am doing - my shadow at work - I think to much and have made the simple complex for one simple reason - I have not totally embraced losing and keep looking for something that garuantees success.

There will come a day when my questions will come from a desire to know more instead of easing my fear of losing. I sense that Paul's question was truly from a place of wanting to learn and not from how to not lose. This intention makes a huge difference in the quality of the information in the answers.

I have been slapped by Fx and felt the sting for a couple of days - and I come back to read and learn and embrace the jewels in this thread. I have no doubt that I will be slapped by FX again and again and again - Until I learn or he gives up.

I am in awe of the Plan as outlined in this thread. I see the success others have because you post charts and talk about live trades while the market is unfolding. What I am learning now, because I have spent a lot of time watching only 5 min Euro charts, and believe me, I tried to find a way to short cut this vital part of the learning curve, is to have confidence in the plan. My questions though still come from the intention of needing the garuantee.

Most of the time I feel like I am in the fog as I watch others do what I have not learned to do. Admitting this, I feel guilty because my previous posts come from the need that others think I know what I am doing. I don't.

I have my own demons that i'm dealing with - my excuses for my lack of success, my wanting everything to be nice and easy, my dreams that take me out of the here and now, my unwillingness to do what I have to do to be successful and many more.

The path to success is not easy and that is the way it is.

The one constant in my trading life now is being on the field playing with traders from around the world in this thread. I am grateful for your willingness to share.

Paul, your charts are every bit as valuable as anyone elses because you show me that the bread and butter aspect of the plan really works. Your questions are an inspiration because they come from the desire to learn and to grow your intuitive, artistic mastery of trading. Thank you.

For FX and Feb, the lurkers and newbies, the sharers, thank you for getting me to see the mountain more often than the fog.

This is a really excellent post.

FX gets my vote of confidence as chief architect and forex cartographer to the System2 ideology.

Hail to the king baby!! (showing my geekiness ways here)

btw, just to lighten the mood a little ahh the duke nukem days..

ok.. I decided to make one more post before going to my shell and just be a simple observer from here on..

in the inside world I am all about family and fun loving fella.. in the outside world i am all about business and money.. whether i was a waiter in my early youth working in a italian resturant paying my way through college or later as a Mortgage and Realestat broker and now as a currency investor.. my focus is always about making money.. i sold more bottle of Chiante vino than any other of my fellow colleagues for the purpose of walk away with more tip money then rest.. and later as a mortgage LO to close more deals than any other of my colleagues to make the most bounty and win the confidence of my CEO and to lead 70+ workers at age of 24 to boost total sale up by astonishing numbers and later establishing my own company and making ton of money.. and now trading currencies..
now I probably get labled for "money hungery" or "greedy" or etc..
if this is called greed!!! then yes.. i say.. i am the likes of Gourden Gecco's.. "Greed is good".. with a leash on it..
i don't beat around the bush and i straight talk.. i dont get all wishy washy and act pussy.. if u pay close attention to my posts i dont get into pitty stuff i stricktly talk business.. i am a producer.. i am all about bottomline.. I hold people accountable when they come between me and my bottomline and the one's i am leading.. if u are coming out with something different than what i am preaching then u better be ready to stand behind it to prove it by showing it in real time (in our case here).. if u can't, then shut it and keep on following or simply leave.. is not about I's is rather about the whole group.. and i fought for the "we" day in and day out for the sake of the ones in the developing process.. its eveident thoughout the whole thread.. i dont give a hoot about the who i head butt with and the ones that left are all the guys that could not solidly behind there action and got demolished by me technically/business wise.. and its the only reason that u do have a thread this very day bcz they got weeded out otherwise the thread was all over the place and dead in short time.. and i find it funny when the silent/haters ones all of the sudden come out of there shell and call me a EGO.. wow what a shame.. u be the judge guys.. i wonder how some people sleep at night.

i have said this manytimes as of late... the damn training wheels are off.. u can spend ur whole life learning/training.. stick to something and make some fucking money out of it..
this whole back and forth posts between Paul and feb is so redundant.. the man has gone through this before manytimes.. becareful with that if ur afraid that he will disapear all of a sudden.. this would be the reason for it.. repeating shit over and over again.. we don't need to go backward time after time..
and I have made myself available to put things in simple words and some sort of a sturcture so we can finnally make some fucking money out of it.. its about time.

now, if u think range market, chopp monster and fakeouts are gonna stand in my way to become successful in trading then you must think be kidding.. there is no "can't" or "impossible" in this world or atleast in my world.. but there is this thing called "difficult".. what we do here is difficult.. and to craft it, it takes different time scale for everyone if at all in most cases.. its a tough cold statement.. but its a fact.
however knowing the difficult part i stuck around to teach and coach so i don't leave you hanging and i did it step by step.. and that why i tell all newbies to read the whole thread.. so u go through the whole steps and feel the real thing that we went through.. and i hit them hard from begining bcz i wanted to know what are they made of.. are they like many that are lazy and filp flopesr or the ones that are hungery and been through this beast ups and downs and are hardworkers before i give them my time and save the thread from chaos and BS and keept it intact.

ok the 10872 post between feb and Paul..
its mostly about range time. my pal Paul all of sudden got confused!!! ok..
there is no secret that market goes through range!!!.. its a given..
i can spot the damn thing being flat after some time with afew failures on each side.. but what do i do about spoting it early?.. so i don't give away too much on fakeouts (G+?).. knowing the fact that each fakeout could have been just as easy as another runner.. the fact of the matter is i don't know what the hell is going to happen next.. price could go on some range time and break out of it for 80pips staright run without giving u a 123 play momentum.. so what do u do then?
feb says sit on your hands and keep an ear on the ground on range time.. with all do respect to feb.. IMO i can not trust that (keep an ear on the ground) any more than just watchin the price.. PW and GS and other big guns can easylie muniplate the market and take me out in a big way.. and they can move the market anytime they wish and for sure they will not let me, you, or anyone in before hand.. and they dont care to show me a 123 setup so I can surely jump on a high probability trade..(half of the runners come out of BB for straight over 50run before a 123setup or any at all).. so the only edge that i have is sticking to what moves infront of my eyes and thats the goddamn price.. and act accourdingly based on my plan..
plan is built around the "runners" and it can happen at anytime anywhere in the chart.. so if i want to be the first one in the bus (febs words) i got to test the market (febs words) many times.. and keep losing as part of my agenda (febs words)..
so i want to be the first one in line to get on the bus and not miss a wave then can i cheery pick my trades!!!!.. not take shots when it breaks the range and will end up with the next wave!!!.. what should i do?
this is what i did.. I implemented his words into action and came up with a plan.
ahhhhh the PLAN.. ok here we go i explain one more time.. uffff
fine, i get a fakeout i bail for less damage (G+ & #2) deal with losing (febs words).. either i reenter or sit on my hands and play If and Then (feb words)..
in the case of the semi fakeouts I stay with it till price allows me too (#1).. i preserve when i must (double top tripple top) then place a reetnery order.. if way into profit (50+) then lock my 40 or so and now i can afford to detected by fcr..
now if I get afew fakeouts and chopp monster is reveal and market is not giving out and its flat out nasty then no need to fight it and I just close the damn system and come back fresh for the next session or the next day.. thats it this the PLAN. wash and rinse..

It dont need no more triming or adding, testing or this or that.. bcz again u can spend ur whole life doing that.
its just time to put it to work, take action and execute to make money.. I know is easier said than done but it beats looking around all the time and jumping from one to another and be left with all the knowledge in the world but a empty bank account bcz u hesitated to push the trigger button.

there u have it one last time from the bad guy..

so long brothers.

Thank you for giving me more than I need bro'. You're among the very few I've met who are the best of the best. I'm lucky to have been taught by you for the short time I've been around (Sept 9th first post) and it has changed my life. If there is anything I can do for you then you only have to ask.

Hi guys,

OMG..... I've just arrived home from a day out and I found all these posts.... LOL

First thing I wanna say is that I totally second Moneda's post about family and what it represents...
At least in my case, I spend my whole days between all of you, and with someones I even talk much more than with some of my childhood friends, or even my parents... so obviously, this is important for me (talking about trading and about "this family")...

I wanna also say about some people talking abut EGO's that IMHO, which of course could be worng, I cannot even admit thinking on it, talking about one person that has kept Feb's thread alive during all this time, and that has spent a lot of his time, and his efforts to share with us a little bit from Feb's amzing wisdom, and putting it in a way that everybody of us could get it and use it for our own profit... How could we thought about "selfish", EGO, or something negative?.... He could perfectly be making money for himnself and do not care a shit about anyone out of his world, the same as Feb could have done......
So, c'mon, it is simply ridiculous to say something negative about both of them, when they have give us the "keys to paradise"....
Only one word... "GENEROSITY"

I think that Fx could be more polite, or "sweeter" sometimes, but everyone of us have our own character, and knowing each other as we do know in here, we should be a little smarter to not stay only with that and take the important things he tells between lines, post in and post out.....
I do consider myself one of the luckiest guys in the world by having the chance of being been helped by him and Feb.....

What happens if I get a "hard" answer from them to some of my posts or to some of my questions????.... Far away from being picky about the words they can use, or the level of hardshness, I really keep for me the important thing, which is learning to be a better trader, and to make more money out of this difficult and so much harder bussines...

Apart from that, there is one thing that wanna also tell...
Talking about Paul, mr. Pauline, I really think that it was far away from his intentions to challenge Fxachilies or anyone here, or doubting about our PLANS.. and more often than not, a good discussion about certaing deals, views, etc can be positive for everybody here to improve and avoid mistakes....

On the other hand, I still cannot get the point of some "silent readers", that only came into scene to criticize, and never when a new play is shared, or a super useful post is writen, to say THANKS.....

So again, by the sake of the thread (and ourselves), I wouldn't like Fxachilies leaving the amazing active coaching role he has, or Paul not posting again, or, of course, Feb feeling bored about some of our repetitive questions...

So to finish my boring post... lol..
I only wanted to say again THANKS for this GOLD THREAD and for this nice FAMILY we have in here.... with all the things it entails....

I have been on many investment forums over the last 10-12 years, mostly being stock forums.
Most of these forums have broken down due to many causes with member name calling, infighting and member abuse among the chief culprits.

Can this forum continue ? IMO, yes, but individual members will have to take a step back and re-evaluate what brought them here in the first place. This forum was a place of learning for many myself included.

There has to be a reason why this forum is among the "most visited "

Hey gang, there are too many positives to let this forum deteriorate..

Monday morning's open is just a few hours away, lets start with a clean sheet..

Thanks for listening, just my thoughts..

Ray