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  • #3,461
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:27pm Sep 21, 2009 1:27pm
i sometimes trade on daily and tades can take a week to reach my target or to stop me out . and sometimes i trades opportunist , like this one i have enter it with very big lot and i will close with a few pips .
depends really . i like trading and i see a trade calling me i go for it
ah and i never go against the trend
regards

Quoting Iskander
Samer do u trade intraday ? or u were following major trend , and looking for an entry on short timeframes ?
  • #3,462
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:28pm Sep 21, 2009 1:28pm
Quoting panhandler
Haha "chomping at the bit." I haven't explored the fib with ichi yet, are you thinking retrace to 50% then continue down trend?
yes, its always the same.

Do use 50% on the big time frames...they will keep you calm...

Sittin on hands for now pan buddy!!!!
  • #3,463
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:31pm Sep 21, 2009 1:31pm
oh i see , I was curios because im not that experienced with this market so i feel a lot more comfortable with more of a long term trades like 1h 4h , that way I feel safer
  • #3,464
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:36pm Sep 21, 2009 1:36pm
iskander
this is the real way to go , the higher time frame . , fine tune your entry with a lower time frame , but take your position based on a higher time frame entry , this is how it should be , i encourage u to keep going and thinking the way u do now

regards
Quoting Iskander
oh i see , I was curios because im not that experienced with this market so i feel a lot more comfortable with more of a long term trades like 1h 4h , that way I feel safer
  • #3,465
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:38pm Sep 21, 2009 1:38pm
Quoting vic_elc
Well guys i'll show you how do i think about this position and we can discuss further , am also in the chat room if any one like to join.

looking at the weekly chart
-bearish seen as the price is below the kumo
-future kumo cross is bearish
-the price is trending smoothly with Ts

looking at the daily chart
-bearish trend as the price is below the kumo
- a strong Ts Ks cross
-Span is under the price curve
-pull back was stopped by Ks
a closing below Ts will confirm down move resuming

4hrs
-i'll be looking for a strong signal as usual,...
Vic
- It's been my viewpoint that the PA determines the outcome of the indicator but in reading your analysis as in -pull back was stopped by Ks - your viewpoint seems to be that the ICHI determines the outcome of the PA.

I have experienced this type of thing somewhat with heavy or thick areas of support and resistance, but that in itself is just past PA determining current PA.

I have also experienced a similar type of thing with Fibs seemingly controlling the PA, but view that as Fibs being just a self-fulfilling prophecy type of thing.

I would love your thoughts on this please.
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  • #3,466
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:38pm Sep 21, 2009 1:38pm
Quoting samer960
i sometimes trade on daily and tades can take a week to reach my target or to stop me out . and sometimes i trades opportunist , like this one i have enter it with very big lot and i will close with a few pips .
depends really . i like trading and i see a trade calling me i go for it
ah and i never go against the trend
regards



  • #3,467
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:42pm Sep 21, 2009 1:42pm
Quoting golferfx
yes, its always the same.

Do use 50% on the big time frames...they will keep you calm...

Sittin on hands for now pan buddy!!!!
Thanks for the advice, I better break out the ole bit and get ta chompin lol
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  • #3,468
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:53pm Sep 21, 2009 1:53pm
Quoting panhandler
Thanks for the advice, I better break out the ole bit and get ta chompin lol



yea baby!!!
  • #3,469
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:54pm Sep 21, 2009 1:54pm
Quoting fxScavenger
Vic
- It's been my viewpoint that the PA determines the outcome of the indicator but in reading your analysis as in -pull back was stopped by Ks - your viewpoint seems to be that the ICHI determines the outcome of the PA.
Im no VIC, but if I may share my thoughts...

We deal with TONS of indicators at my job and they all deal with past data. Good indicators tell us what is most likely to happen based on the nature of past PA. When a combo of indicators make up a good system (as ichi does), the forecast has a high likelihood of being correct.

PA tells Ichi what to do and Ichi tells us what PA will likely do next. So if you use Ichi to trade, then you believe it will tell you future price.

Hope that kinda helps
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  • #3,470
  • Sep 21, 2009 1:54pm Sep 21, 2009 1:54pm
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iskander
this is the real way to go , the higher time frame . , fine tune your entry with a lower time frame , but take your position based on a higher time frame entry , this is how it should be , i encourage u to keep going and thinking the way u do now

Ok cool , will keep mastering 1h 4h timeframes then , thanks for encouraging , i really appreciate advises from someone who is experienced in this market
  • #3,471
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:00pm Sep 21, 2009 2:00pm
Quoting panhandler
Im no VIC, but if I may share my thoughts...

We deal with TONS of indicators at my job and they all deal with past data. Good indicators tell us what is most likely to happen based on the nature of past PA. When a combo of indicators make up a good system (as ichi does), the forecast has a high likelihood of being correct.

PA tells Ichi what to do and Ichi tells us what PA will likely do next. So if you use Ichi to trade, then you believe it will tell you future price.

Hope that kinda helps
Hello fxScavenger

i think i'll go with the same explanation provided by Pan in here , there are no words can clearly describe it, Price tell Ichi what do and then Ichi tells the price what to do

that the way it is , very simple and very clear

cheers
  • #3,472
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:05pm Sep 21, 2009 2:05pm
Quoting panhandler
Im no VIC, but if I may share my thoughts...

We deal with TONS of indicators at my job and they all deal with past data. Good indicators tell us what is most likely to happen based on the nature of past PA. When a combo of indicators make up a good system (as ichi does), the forecast has a high likelihood of being correct.

PA tells Ichi what to do and Ichi tells us what PA will likely do next. So if you use Ichi to trade, then you believe it will tell you future price.

Hope that kinda helps

Excellent pan-sen-piphogger!!

The way to feel ichi is to try and chart what the 9-26-52 is ment to do. Think about it...and I'm no programer...try to implement what the simple indicator does when you throw it on a chart...I certainly cannot...yes price action is extremely important...but when you get a huge PIN bar at the cloud or KS or whatever...man its almost spooky....

ichi is my mistress!!!
  • #3,473
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:08pm Sep 21, 2009 2:08pm
Quoting panhandler
Im no VIC, but if I may share my thoughts...

We deal with TONS of indicators at my job and they all deal with past data. Good indicators tell us what is most likely to happen based on the nature of past PA. When a combo of indicators make up a good system (as ichi does), the forecast has a high likelihood of being correct.

PA tells Ichi what to do and Ichi tells us what PA will likely do next. So if you use Ichi to trade, then you believe it will tell you future price.

Hope that kinda helps
Ok, So it's actually a point of trust, that the Ichi is that good, and based on Vics enthusiasm with the Ichi he actually sees the Ks (and other elements of the Ichi of course) controlling the PA, so to speak. Thats faith Brother.

Thanks panhandler
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  • #3,474
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:09pm Sep 21, 2009 2:09pm
Quoting vic_elc
Hello fxScavenger

i think i'll go with the same explanation provided by Pan in here , there are no words can clearly describe it, Price tell Ichi what do and then Ichi tells the price what to do

that the way it is , very simple and very clear

cheers
Very Clear as always Thanks Vic.
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  • #3,475
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:10pm Sep 21, 2009 2:10pm
Quoting vic_elc
so while going down on the 4Hrs the lower Tfs will have to follow the Big Picture and trend down.
So, when you enter, you enter w/ H4 in mind. Do you use H4 SL and trail the KS right away or do you SL on a lower TF and propagate up to higher TF as price allows?
  • #3,476
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:12pm Sep 21, 2009 2:12pm
Quoting fxScavenger
Ok, So it's actually a point of trust, that the Ichi is that good, and based on Vics enthusiasm with the Ichi he actually sees the Ks (and other elements of the Ichi of course) controlling the PA, so to speak. Thats faith Brother.

Thanks panhandler
On the JPY pairs, I would say that a lot of traders use it, therefore it's one of those self fullfulling prophecies. However, the ichi indicator has a lot of S/R points built into its various lines. There are other trend following methods but none have such an indication of the S/R points as does ichi. When you follow a trend and enter a trade with that trend, the probability of it being a successful trade increases dramatically.
  • #3,477
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:19pm Sep 21, 2009 2:19pm
Quoting PipDreamz
So, when you enter, you enter w/ H4 in mind. Do you use H4 SL and trail the KS right away or do you SL on a lower TF and propagate up to higher TF as price allows?

Hey Pips....

ok.... your're thinking to hard...if you have a down trend on the daily and all the other charts are going up...thats a retracement. If the 4 hr chart peaks and starts to go lower...than the lower time frames are going to show you an entrance of some sort. Why not just watch dalies and trade off of 4 hr...much easier...scalping is a losing propostion...sorry scalpers...1 daily chart...4hr time to enter...my 8 year old nephew can make money...it HAS TO BE simple my friend.

...humble 2 cents worth.
  • #3,478
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:29pm Sep 21, 2009 2:29pm
Greeting Soldier and Warriors,

Here is the Daily report on the Aud/Usd pair. The pair seems to be ranging right now with some consolidation in the .8600 area. There arent any classic ichi signals yet to take advantage of but that can change soon. Follow gold closely to get a hint as to what may be the outcome!

enjoy

Lionsden
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  • #3,479
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:29pm Sep 21, 2009 2:29pm
Quoting PipDreamz
So, when you enter, you enter w/ H4 in mind. Do you use H4 SL and trail the KS right away or do you SL on a lower TF and propagate up to higher TF as price allows?


Pips...I may have jumped in again...didn't read the question accurately...you are so correct with s/l and money management.

Sorry bro...
  • #3,480
  • Sep 21, 2009 2:30pm Sep 21, 2009 2:30pm
Quoting SanMiguel
On the JPY pairs, I would say that a lot of traders use it, therefore it's one of those self fullfulling prophecies. However, the ichi indicator has a lot of S/R points built into its various lines. There are other trend following methods but none have such an indication of the S/R points as does ichi. When you follow a trend and enter a trade with that trend, the probability of it being a successful trade increases dramatically.
Thanks SanMiguel,

And all, I think my trust issus have been abated for now.

Appreciate all the responses.
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