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  • #701
  • Jun 3, 2009 9:23am Jun 3, 2009 9:23am
Thanks Cobraforex and I appreciate what everyone is doing.I am also trying to do my own backtesting with combos on this old computer.
Have a great day everyone and thanks again to all!
Vince
  • #702
  • Edited 9:37am Jun 3, 2009 9:31am | Edited 9:37am
Quoting karun
Can you post a screenshot with candles marked, where you expected EA to take trade and it did not?
Sure, here is a screenshot ...Orange lines are marked where it must open trade, but i closed MT and reopened and MTF histo must be repainted but i am sure there where at least 3 MTF's in agreement. And the last one-RED vertical line with real time data.
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  • #703
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:02am Jun 3, 2009 10:02am
Quoting Wlfx
Sure, here is a screenshot ...Orange lines are marked where it must open trade, but i closed MT and reopened and MTF histo must be repainted but i am sure there where at least 3 MTF's in agreement. And the last one-RED vertical line with real time data.
I do not see anything in this set up that indicates that a trade must be taken when there is a cross of fast and slow trix. It is coded with 0.
You should review the settings listed in the first post , check thoroughly these settings against the MT4 tester and check the results.
Hope that helps.
  • #704
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:08am Jun 3, 2009 10:08am
Quoting letizia
I was using a set file and not sure why this was a sell trade and not a buy? The setup to me looks as if it should of been a buy ?

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Would appreciate any adjustments I would need to take?
Thanks
Vince
it took that trade because of the previus all red bars.. it whait till the price was out of the clud and than open the short... and close as a perfect long
don't u use enter only when fast trix is in your direction?? and exit when fast is opposite? i mean slope change
  • #705
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:10am Jun 3, 2009 10:10am
Quoting Whitespire
I do not see anything in this set up that indicates that a trade must be taken when there is a cross of fast and slow trix. It is coded with 0.
You should review the settings listed in the first post , check thoroughly these settings against the MT4 tester and check the results.
Hope that helps.
This entries do not based on cross of trix..It is based at MTF Histo lights, when m1f, m1s, m5f are in agreement...
  • #706
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:10am Jun 3, 2009 10:10am
edit: oops, already answered
anyways, an entry based solely on the MTF trix lights might not be the way to go. i don't know the internal functions of the EA but it could be that there has to be at least one of the first settings activated as well.


Quoting Wlfx
Sure, here is a screenshot ...Orange lines are marked where it must open trade, but i closed MT and reopened and MTF histo must be repainted but i am sure there where at least 3 MTF's in agreement. And the last one-RED vertical line with real time data.
what I can see by looking at your set file is that the entry signals are only depending on the MTF trix "lights" and the cross of the cloud.

according to karun's post (479) the entry should be:

trix cross
fast trix above/below zero level
OB/OS levels
cross of coral and cloud
plus the MTF trix and ichimoku "lights"

try to work with at least one of the trix settings and see if it changes anything.

AZBOfin
  • #707
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:31am Jun 3, 2009 10:31am
Quoting Wlfx
Hope it will help...Try to update Price data feed from your broker.
I agree that the strategy tester is not the best, but it all that I know that can give us some means of trying different settings.I usually have no problems with backtesting, but I am having a hard time doing backtesting with this ea.It seems to take forever to try just even backtest 1 week.I have tried turning off news filter and screenshot but it still takes forever to do a test.I am not using the every tick method since it would probably take a year to do any backtesting .I do have over 2gb of virtual memory with 1,024.00 mb of total physical memory and 310.mb of available memory so I would think that would be enough to backtest?
I do have the current history data feed for the the pairs that I am testing?
Guess I will just need to forward test the different settings?
  • #708
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:37am Jun 3, 2009 10:37am
Quoting AZBOfin
edit: oops, already answered
anyways, an entry based solely on the MTF trix lights might not be the way to go. i don't know the internal functions of the EA but it could be that there has to be at least one of the first settings activated as well.




what I can see by looking at your set file is that the entry signals are only depending on the MTF trix "lights" and the cross of the cloud.

according to karun's post (479) the entry should be:

trix cross
fast trix above/below zero level
OB/OS levels
cross of coral and cloud
plus...
Thanks for your reply , But what we are all doing here ? - answer - finding profitable entries and exits. This is why this EA have tons of options to play with.

Though... I do not want to take trades with coral rules in 1min TF. Either IMO if this EA coded with true/false parameters for options that it includes it might work. I am finding my setup, whats wrong with it ???Why i need to change to cross of trix , even break of ichimoku ? It is other side of question if this EA cannot take trades without it.
  • #709
  • Jun 3, 2009 10:49am Jun 3, 2009 10:49am
Quoting letizia
I agree that the strategy tester is not the best, but it all that I know that can give us some means of trying different settings.I usually have no problems with backtesting, but I am having a hard time doing backtesting with this ea.It seems to take forever to try just even backtest 1 week.I have tried turning off news filter and screenshot but it still takes forever to do a test.I am not using the every tick method since it would probably take a year to do any backtesting .I do have over 2gb of virtual memory with 1,024.00 mb of total physical...
Your computer hardware configuration is much enough for EA . If you do not know the main basic rules how to trade THV you can visit the first page of this thread and there you will find the link to THV manual trading thread. Either way said find what is working for you. There is a big difference between manual trading and EA. Because of there you make your own analyses. Here it is only bot that cannot think, but can do what you tell him.
  • #710
  • Jun 3, 2009 11:03am Jun 3, 2009 11:03am
Quoting Wlfx
Your computer hardware configuration is much enough for EA . If you do not know the main basic rules how to trade THV you can visit the first page of this thread and there you will find the link to THV manual trading thread. Either way said find what is working for you. There is a big difference between manual trading and EA. Because of there you make your own analyses. Here it is only bot that cannot think, but can do what you tell him.
Good point, the reason I was excited when I saw there was a chance of having an ea that would trade the method so that one did not have to be in front of the computer all day but monitor to see how the trades are going.I could be wrong, but there are so many options that are present that enhance the original manual trading such as using the gartley indicator for one.I guess one could turn all switches off and just use those that follow the manual trading method.But since we do have these enhancements, it would be nice to be able to test them, and that was my point of the post regarding backtesting.
  • #711
  • Jun 3, 2009 11:23am Jun 3, 2009 11:23am
Quoting letizia
Good point, the reason I was excited when I saw there was a chance of having an ea that would trade the method so that one did not have to be in front of the computer all day but monitor to see how the trades are going.I could be wrong, but there are so many options that are present that enhance the original manual trading such as using the gartley indicator for one.I guess one could turn all switches off and just use those that follow the manual trading method.But since we do have these enhancements, it would be nice to be able to test them, and...

I am not much fun of trading patterns, because i trade lower TF's(1min only). My main entries(in manual trading) are based on 5min and 1min TF Trix movement. I only want from EA to do what i am doing manually .
  • #712
  • Jun 3, 2009 1:35pm Jun 3, 2009 1:35pm
Hello to All

This was sent to MT4 about the memory usage problem.


Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:59:43 AM
Subject: [MT_E and I] RAM - Memory Usage




Two possible flaws in current MT4 Terminal.


1) It appears that MetaTrader 4 Terminal M1 tick data received is stored
in RAM. How fast memory is used is proportional to number of pairs
running . When MT4 is re-started, this memory stored tick data is
written to .hst file and memory usage drops. So, the more pairs that
are running, the faster the memory is used. Also, downloaded History
Center data is also temporarily stored in memory. After MT4 is closed,
data is written to .hst file and memory usage drops. I also see memory
usage increase when i open History Center. I believe this is due to
calculating other timeframes from stored received M1 tick data. This may
be a flaw in MT4. It should routinely auto write M1 tick data to .hst
file to reduce memory usage. The only way I see to managed memory
usage is to routinely re-start MT4 terminal.


2) People running the Strategy Tester could really use up memory fast
when downloading History Center data. The more pairs that is being
tested the higher the memory usage will be due to when History Center
is opened, all previously tested pairs will be recalculated. To stop
this, all .hst files need to be deleted or MT4 Terminal needs to be re-
installed.


If i am correct, you can see this in the Task Manager, Processes tab.
When you open the MT4 History Center the memory usage for that MT4
Terminal increases.
  • #713
  • Jun 3, 2009 2:17pm Jun 3, 2009 2:17pm
Quoting optionsnh
Hello to All

This was sent to MT4 about the memory usage problem.


Sent: Wednesday, June 3, 2009 11:59:43 AM
Subject: [MT_E and I] RAM - Memory Usage




Two possible flaws in current MT4 Terminal.


1) It appears that MetaTrader 4 Terminal M1 tick data received is stored
in RAM. How fast memory is used is proportional to number of pairs
running . When MT4 is re-started, this memory stored tick data is
written to .hst file and memory usage drops. So, the more pairs that
are...
Thanks for the info.
  • #714
  • Edited 5:50pm Jun 3, 2009 5:07pm | Edited 5:50pm
so here is a first report of trading results - they arn't so good ? hmmm ....

to make it sure I add again the *set files responsable for these results
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File Type: zip Statement uj 5m first week.zip   2 KB | 357 downloads
File Type: zip uj 1m.zip   1 KB | 318 downloads
File Type: zip uj 5m.zip   1 KB | 291 downloads
  • #715
  • Edited 6:01pm Jun 3, 2009 5:43pm | Edited 6:01pm
Karun, notice the difference in 15m trix between two different brokers
Also on ODL the EA placed trades without the trix cross, at one stage it placed numerous trades (red arrow) . Restarting the platform fixed that problem.
Going by the trix on the crown chart these trades would have been correct.

Edit: Difference in trix version, seems the trix used by EA and trix in template were different.
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  • #716
  • Jun 3, 2009 7:56pm Jun 3, 2009 7:56pm
Karun,

Just realized that I haven't turn on EA for M1, and I should have some trades tomorrow.

The first trade on June 3rd was good but didn't maximize profit.
The second trade on June 3rd had a 36 PIP lost
The first trade on June 4th had an 8 PIP gain

I'm still waiting for more results to adjust my OB/OS levels.

Thoughts?
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  • #717
  • Jun 3, 2009 11:07pm Jun 3, 2009 11:07pm
1) create trading window

- so it triggers trades only during certain hours
- it stops trading after x number of consecutive losers or x amount of pip loss. Trading can resume by manual intervention ie re-attaching the EA


2) create EA mode option to separate trade management & new order entry

- one can enter trade manually and EA would manage its exits. EA would not trigger any new trades

- one can let the EA trigger new trades but they will be managed and closed manually

- one can let EA trigger new trades as well as be managed and closed by EA. This is what this EA does at present

3) Add some filters to keep out losers.

Any system would pick bad signals along with all the good signals. The key is to keep out of the bad ones. The choppy market, whipsaw, ranging flat market pose big challenge to EA based trading. EA does not have the benefit of looking at the big picture or discretionary trading, and so most EA fail because it can't keep out of bad signals. we need filters to keep out of bad market conditions

4) Organize input(extern) parameters into sections

- entry system
- exits system
-TP/SL management
- money management
-Trade management
- etc

5) EA should use some visible TP/SL just in case computer can not connect with the server to manage the trade thru EA. In case of some catastrophic event, this would be a life saver. For practical purpose, the visible TP/SL are for emergency purpose only and will be overridden by EA's own TP/SL system as defined in a set file.
  • #718
  • Jun 4, 2009 3:23am Jun 4, 2009 3:23am
Karun,

Looks like this pair missed a big short move on 6/03/09. The EU15 wanted to take it but the SL got in the way. Not sure why the 30 did not trigger. There was one trade for each for so far today.

What do you think?

Alsea


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  • #719
  • Jun 4, 2009 4:19am Jun 4, 2009 4:19am
Don't forget to change the extension of the file to .set before using it.[/quote]

I'm not a computer freak can anybody help me how I can change the file extension .txt to .set?
Thanks for any help
Ashi
  • #720
  • Jun 4, 2009 4:53am Jun 4, 2009 4:53am
Quoting kerty9
1) create trading window

- so it triggers trades only during certain hours
- it stops trading after x number of consecutive losers or x amount of pip loss. Trading can resume by manual intervention ie re-attaching the EA
My answers in red


1) create trading window

- so it triggers trades only during certain hours (This already there, you can define start and end hours)
- it stops trading after x number of consecutive losers or x amount of pip loss. Trading can resume by manual intervention ie re-attaching the EA


2) create EA mode option to separate trade management & new order entry

- one can enter trade manually and EA would manage its exits. EA would not trigger any new trades

- one can let the EA trigger new trades but they will be managed and closed manually

- one can let EA trigger new trades as well as be managed and closed by EA. This is what this EA does at present

3) Add some filters to keep out losers.

Any system would pick bad signals along with all the good signals. The key is to keep out of the bad ones. The choppy market, whipsaw, ranging flat market pose big challenge to EA based trading. EA does not have the benefit of looking at the big picture or discretionary trading, and so most EA fail because it can't keep out of bad signals. we need filters to keep out of bad market conditions

The idea of this testing is find a set file which does the above. Even with all the filters, there still will be losers and it is part of the game.

4) Organize input(extern) parameters into sections

- entry system
- exits system
-TP/SL management
- money management
-Trade management
- etc

extern entries are already grouped like this.

5) EA should use some visible TP/SL just in case computer can not connect with the server to manage the trade thru EA. In case of some catastrophic event, this would be a life saver. For practical purpose, the visible TP/SL are for emergency purpose only and will be overridden by EA's own TP/SL system as defined in a set file.[/quote]

Visible TP / SL is already there in EA settings.
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