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  • #461
  • Mar 2, 2007 2:51pm Mar 2, 2007 2:51pm
one more great day for me (thanks for the GPB/Yen, this pair likes me )

only one -200$ trade the rest is positive with in particular one 1700$ for a good 100 pips in one hour ) but could have been even better with another 2000$+ but i got cut out by my trailing stop EA not set up properly

Boxingislife, i think you have a very very good trading technique here. I am really gratefull for you to have shared it.

I'm still trying to see if i can find a filter for exit and eventualy for setup not working.

For exit, i think HeikanAshi MA should do a good job for exit but i need to work on that, i look also on 5 cross which seems ok as well but it is far from perfect.

For entry, i want to do a matrix to see confirming period but i'm going on holiday next week and will not have a PC by hand to work on the chart.
  • #462
  • Mar 3, 2007 2:55pm Mar 3, 2007 2:55pm
Quoting tzachi
blueruby,

great alert but, If we miss the audio we will miss it for good. Can you add an arrow that will show up on the chart at the same time with the alert? as the arrow will stay on the chart we will be able to see when it happend and if we can still get in or not.

Thanks.

T.
Been needing to learn how to do arrows. Probably real simple. I'll work on it.
  • #463
  • Mar 3, 2007 3:17pm Mar 3, 2007 3:17pm
Quoting boxingislife
i use multiple time frames. who said i dont?
As far as I can tell from your system as presented, you do not require that at least 2 adjacent time frames concur, or at least do not diverge, I do. When you refer to a potential trade you refer to one time frame and do not seem to require validation with another, you certainly never mention it. I never assume that someone does something unless they state it, and as far as I can tell you have not, unless I somehow missed it, although I thought that I had read all of the posts. Thus, I did not want to represent what I do as being exactly what you do, but rather just presenting it as my personal way of using stochastics. I have presented my own 'adaptation' in this thread since you seemed to be encouraging us to do this. I will desist from doing so in the future if this is objectionable.

The fact is that whatever indicator or most system I have used, I apply it to more than 1 time frame and require at least 2 to agree in order for a set up to be considered tradeable. As long as I conscientiously follow this rule I very rarely lose.
  • #464
  • Mar 3, 2007 3:25pm Mar 3, 2007 3:25pm
ur right moonchild to an extent though. when i talk about a setup in the making/potential trade i usually check another time frame or the main/longer term trend for some more confirmation but i dont really talk about it and ur right about that
no hard feelings uve been a great contribution to the thread. keep it up
  • #465
  • Mar 3, 2007 3:44pm Mar 3, 2007 3:44pm
Quoting JokersWild
Re: Rubberband Indicator

Allow me- Such Hypocrisy. Such nonsense.
First, I do not know whether this is the same indicator that I am referring to, although I would imagine that there is a high probability that it is.

Second, the indicator with no instructions as to its use is quite literally of no use, so I hope that your indicator comes with instructions. The indicator is designed to be used in conjunction with BBs in a particular way. As for myself, I have refined the entries and exits by adding stochastics to my chart.

If this is the same indicator, and but do not have instructions as to its use (this is supposed to come with the indicator) I will help you with those since I believe that that falls within what would be ethical for me to do.
  • #466
  • Mar 3, 2007 3:53pm Mar 3, 2007 3:53pm
I removed it so not to cause any problems. AHA(HUA) doesn't mind sharing the executable. He's got his head so far up OrangeRoshans behind you may not be able to find him around here. Aw!! Heck it's warmed up to 12 degrees outside, Enough FF for today. Enjoy

Quoting moonchild
First, I do not know whether this is the same indicator that I am referring to, although I would imagine that there is a high probability that it is.

Second, the indicator with no instructions as to its use is quite literally of no use, so I hope that your indicator comes with instructions. The indicator is designed to be used in conjunction with BBs in a particular way. As for myself, I have refined the entries and exits by adding stochastics to my chart.

If this is the same indicator, and but do not have instructions as to its use (this is supposed to come with the indicator) I will help you with those since I believe that that falls within what would be ethical for me to do.
T
  • #467
  • Mar 3, 2007 4:11pm Mar 3, 2007 4:11pm
Quoting JokersWild
I removed it so not to cause any problems. AHA(HUA) doesn't mind sharing the executable. He's got his head so far up OrangeRoshans behind you may not be able to find him around here. Aw!! Heck it's warmed up to 12 degrees outside, Enough FF for today. Enjoy
It just made it up to 18 degrees here, you must live 'just down the road'. We have had only 2 days above freezing in the past 4+ months.
  • #468
  • Edited 4:58pm Mar 3, 2007 4:39pm | Edited 4:58pm
I think i have something for filtering look at this chart.

Settings for nonlagmaV5 are 0-10-0-3-1-0

I have also HAMA on for trend following but this is for the exit.

I will go skying in the french Alps next week (no PC, no internet access) so if anyone has time to try some other settings, go for it as i just found this filtering, i do not have the time to do further testing (allready allmost midnight in France)

It is not perfect (there is not such thing as a perfect filter anyway), but it seems to do a pretty good job

chart 4 is another example on a different TF

chart 5 shows how it is not perfect (but in this case, the 50 are not really in uptrend and the SAR are above the quote ) But maybe the TF is too short ?

Anyone has a ranging indicator by hand ?
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  • #469
  • Mar 3, 2007 5:09pm Mar 3, 2007 5:09pm
I know all about you!!! I follow all of your postings. Thanks for sharing!!

Quoting moonchild
It just made it up to 18 degrees here, you must live 'just down the road'. We have had only 2 days above freezing in the past 4+ months.
T
  • #470
  • Mar 3, 2007 5:18pm Mar 3, 2007 5:18pm
Quoting JokersWild
I know all about you!!! I follow all of your postings. Thanks for sharing!!
Thank you for reading them, but I honestly did not think that they were that memorable.
  • #471
  • Mar 3, 2007 5:45pm Mar 3, 2007 5:45pm
You are very insightful and lots of experience, a tape reader if I recall. I was surprised to find you spending so much time in this thread. There must be something to it so Here I am plotting multiple stochastics. If we can catch the YEN retreat in a timely manner, we will have a memorable month. What are your thoughts? Best way to catch the upmoves which are coming sooner than later I suspect?

Quoting moonchild
Thank you for reading them, but I honestly did not think that they were that memorable.
T
  • #472
  • Mar 3, 2007 6:45pm Mar 3, 2007 6:45pm
Quoting JokersWild
You are very insightful and lots of experience, a tape reader if I recall. I was surprised to find you spending so much time in this thread. There must be something to it so Here I am plotting multiple stochastics. If we can catch the YEN retreat in a timely manner, we will have a memorable month. What are your thoughts? Best way to catch the upmoves which are coming sooner than later I suspect?
You see, I am retired and can do what I please when I please. I am a dinosaur from pre-PC days and the most useful indicators for me are multiple stochastics in all markets and a combination of Rubber band and stochastics in ranging markets only.

It took me a while to get used to using indicators and even after I started learning about them, I ended up last fall for 2 months with a computer so ancient that it could not handle putting much on charts and would not even allow me to have more than one window open at a time. I could not have my email program open or FF at the same time as my platform and I could not even put the Rubber band indicator on the platform. So I basically went back to the old way of trading and it was like the 80's revisited, but it still worked. Even with a state of the art computer, I am still restricted by a dialup with connection speed usually between 24 and 26 (what can you expect when you live in a frozen wasteland?). I look at most indicators and systems which get posted to FF and most of them I discard fairly rapidly, and I keep coming back to stochastics and Rubber band as the most reliable systems other than naked charts to trade. But this is just what suits me and that does not mean that they are necessarily the best way for everyone to trade.

My past includes being a University instructor as well as being a physician. If you are aware of the original intent of the term, you know that physicians were meant to be teachers, and that is how I saw my role (except when doing surgery).

What I have tried to do in this thread is to teach others in order for them to be able to avoid some of the very costly errors I have made. One of the big differences between humans and animals is our ability to learn from the experience of others.

Trading is serious because it can result in the loss of serious amounts of money if you are trading a live account. On the other hand, we must never lose our sense of humour or our ability to make fun of ourselves and what happens to us--we need to remain able to laugh at ourselves. Please always feel free to have a laugh at my expense because I will join you.
  • #473
  • Mar 3, 2007 6:52pm Mar 3, 2007 6:52pm
Great- Now if you could tell AHA to chill out and have a good laugh. He's all up in arms over my comments. It should be expected I suppose. I think anyone who attempts to sell an indicator for the MT4 platform should be disciplined or even shot because everyone shares in this open society. As we know, HUA copied the code for the Rubberband form the original author. Maybe I should have said AHA has been taken over by the Orange force. Actually, I never found much use for the RB even after exhaustive reading from the manual. Oh well- no harm intended- thanks for the remarks.


Quoting moonchild
You see, I am retired and can do what I please when I please. I am a dinosaur from pre-PC days and the most useful indicators for me are multiple stochastics in all markets and a combination of Rubber band and stochastics in ranging markets only.

It took me a while to get used to using indicators and even after I started learning about them, I ended up last fall for 2 months with a computer so ancient that it could not handle putting much on charts and would not even allow me to have more than one window open at a time. I could not have my email program open or FF at the same time as my platform and I could not even put the Rubber band indicator on the platform. So I basically went back to the old way of trading and it was like the 80's revisited, but it still worked. Even with a state of the art computer, I am still restricted by a dialup with connection speed usually between 24 and 26 (what can you expect when you live in a frozen wasteland?). I look at most indicators and systems which get posted to FF and most of them I discard fairly rapidly, and I keep coming back to stochastics and Rubber band as the most reliable systems other than naked charts to trade. But this is just what suits me and that does not mean that they are necessarily the best way for everyone to trade.

My past includes being a University instructor as well as being a physician. If you are aware of the original intent of the term, you know that physicians were meant to be teachers, and that is how I saw my role (except when doing surgery).

What I have tried to do in this thread is to teach others in order for them to be able to avoid some of the very costly errors I have made. One of the big differences between humans and animals is our ability to learn from the experience of others.

Trading is serious because it can result in the loss of serious amounts of money if you are trading a live account. On the other hand, we must never lose our sense of humour or our ability to make fun of ourselves and what happens to us--we need to remain able to laugh at ourselves. Please always feel free to have a laugh at my expense because I will join you.
T
  • #474
  • Mar 3, 2007 7:22pm Mar 3, 2007 7:22pm
Quoting JokersWild
Great- Now if you could tell AHA to chill out and have a good laugh. He's all up in arms over my comments. It should be expected I suppose. I think anyone who attempts to sell an indicator for the MT4 platform should be disciplined or even shot because everyone shares in this open society. As we know, HUA copied the code for the Rubberband form the original author. Maybe I should have said AHA has been taken over by the Orange force. Actually, I never found much use for the RB even after exhaustive reading from the manual. Oh well- no harm intended- thanks for the remarks.
Hua is NOT selling the indicator for MT. He adapted the indicator originally set up for the CMS platform and shared it privately with a trading group. The restriction on sharing it outside of the group is mine, not his, since it is in keeping with the wishes of the creator. In this. Hua has no choice, nor do I, and it was shared with the group on the understanding that it was to stay within the group.

When someone creates an indicator it is their choice and their decision as to what is to be done with it. It is not for anyone else to agree or disagree with his decision. The creator can give it freely, limit distribution or sell it. The creator of this indicator has chosen to sell it, therefore it is unethical for anyone acquiring it to disseminate it because that is just another form of theft.

As to using the manual, I have adapted it and my trading rules are in important ways very different from those originally given with the indicator.

I hope that this clarifies the situation and that we can now all go on to more important and interesting things, like TRADING.
  • #475
  • Mar 3, 2007 7:24pm Mar 3, 2007 7:24pm
Agreed. As long as Nathan is aware of the situtaion everything is fine. The markets are closed until tomorrow

Quoting moonchild
Hua is NOT selling the indicator for MT. He adapted the indicator originally set up for the CMS platform and shared it privately with a trading group. The restriction on sharing it outside of the group is mine, not his, since it is in keeping with the wishes of the creator. In this. Hua has no choice, nor do I, and it was shared with the group on the understanding that it was to stay within the group.

When someone creates an indicator it is their choice and their decision as to what is to be done with it. It is not for anyone else to agree or disagree with his decision. The creator can give it freely, limit distribution or sell it. The creator of this indicator has chosen to sell it, therefore it is unethical for anyone acquiring it to disseminate it because that is just another form of theft.

As to using the manual, I have adapted it and my trading rules are in important ways very different from those originally given with the indicator.

I hope that this clarifies the situation and that we can now all go on to more important and interesting things, like TRADING.
T
  • #476
  • Mar 3, 2007 7:45pm Mar 3, 2007 7:45pm
Quoting JokersWild
Agreed. As long as Nathan is aware of the situtaion everything is fine. The markets are closed until tomorrow
I have always felt that the reason the market was closed on Saturday is because we need a day a week to review charts and plan our strategy for next week.

I am frustrated today because the only chart I can access on my platform is fiber. For some reason all the other charts are blank. This is not normal or desirable because I usually spend Saturday going over charts, reviewing what I did right and wrong last week and planning for next week.
  • #477
  • Edited 8:50pm Mar 3, 2007 8:35pm | Edited 8:50pm
JokersWild,

There are a few things that were not true in your post, even though you said sorry in private, but I have to respond to it to clear them out in public.

First I did not "all up in arms over your comments". Here is my PM, you may verify this.

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Originally Posted by aha
Hi Jokerswild,

Do you mind tell me where you got the rubberband indicagtor and how you know my involvement with Orange?

Thanks,
aha

Second of all, as Liz said, I don't want to sell it. Liz was using the system, which was a gift from Nathan, she shared it with me and a group of friends last year, I made an indicator for this perticular group of traders to make their lives easier. That's all. Your post seems to let others to believe that I am selling it and wasn't disciplined/smart enough to keep the trade secret. That wasn't me. Have to clear this out because I do have partners and don't want them to think I am loose on that.

Finally, I wrote the indicator (MT4) line by line, starting from scratch. The algorithm was created based on the equations from Nathan's pdf. I did not copy any code from anyone. Liz told me that there were no rubberband indicator for MT4 available at the time, that 's why I coded it. Liz advised me to contact Nathan and sell the indicator (including source code) to him but I was too busy and did not have the time to do that. Honestly, if Nathan has gotton hold of my source code or executables and are using it in his business, he should contact me for authorization, or rewrite one.

That's all I have to say about the Rubberband indicator.

You also mentioned twice about me being taken over by Orange force, sounds like some evil force (I haven't been around for a while, is this widely accepted in FF community now? ). I have to clear it out that Orange is my friend and mentor on TA trading and I can finally make 100+ pips a day from time to time and can make positive pips almost every day. I wasn't able to do that before. Thanks to him. Evil? not to me.

Wish you succeed in your trading and life. Peace.

aha





Quoting JokersWild
Great- Now if you could tell AHA to chill out and have a good laugh. He's all up in arms over my comments. It should be expected I suppose. I think anyone who attempts to sell an indicator for the MT4 platform should be disciplined or even shot because everyone shares in this open society. As we know, HUA copied the code for the Rubberband form the original author. Maybe I should have said AHA has been taken over by the Orange force. Actually, I never found much use for the RB even after exhaustive reading from the manual. Oh well- no harm intended- thanks for the remarks.
Target: Trading naked.
  • #478
  • Mar 3, 2007 10:09pm Mar 3, 2007 10:09pm
Quoting boxingislife
i use multiple time frames. who said i dont?
Box, Moon, and anyone else using multiple tfs . . .

Okay, clarification please. The value of multiple tfs is obvious, but please clarify for me what constitutes "agreement". Are you basically looking for the 5's to be crossed and heading in the same direction. Does it have to be all of the stocs (5, 20, and 50)?

I'm looking back at some charts and see some good trades when the longer term chart fits Box's rules, but the adjacent chart only has the 5 moving in the same direction. I guess what I'm asking is how much in agreement do the multiple tfs have to be?
  • #479
  • Mar 3, 2007 10:34pm Mar 3, 2007 10:34pm
Quoting tonygibbs
Box, Moon, and anyone else using multiple tfs . . .

Okay, clarification please. The value of multiple tfs is obvious, but please clarify for me what constitutes "agreement". Are you basically looking for the 5's to be crossed and heading in the same direction. Does it have to be all of the stocs (5, 20, and 50)?

I'm looking back at some charts and see some good trades when the longer term chart fits Box's rules, but the adjacent chart only has the 5 moving in the same direction. I guess what I'm asking is how much in agreement do the multiple tfs have to be?
I can only tell you how I personally do things. What I will say does not necessarily apply to the way anyone else uses multiple time frames.

I look for agreement between adjacent time frames. Actually what I want to see is the 20 and 50 going in the same direction on both. I will pay most attention to the direction of the 5 on the lower time frame. If I have a very strong chart on one time frame and a neutral chart on the adjacent ones, then I may still trade the set up. The ideal set up has all the stochs in agreement on 3 charts (yes, that really does happen sometimes) in which case I do not remember ever losing on the trade and I have learned to throw money management away when it does happen that way because I have learned that such set ups are as close to a guaranteed win as you will ever see in forex.

Remember that this is just my opinion and it is solely based on my own past experiences--no 2 people will look at the same charts and see quite the same thing.
  • #480
  • Mar 3, 2007 10:48pm Mar 3, 2007 10:48pm
After rereading what I wrote, I realized that I should warn you of my personal biases. The biggest one is that I REALLY do not like to lose trades and I will happily forgo winning trades in order to avoid losing ones.

Lately I have had only 1 trade (that is in quite a few weeks and I am a very active trader) which lost when I was following my trading rules. The problem is that I need to learn to slap myself when I even consider a trade which does not follow my trading rules. Still, I am up more than 70% during the past week. I think I will have Mailboxes-are-us, or whatever they call themselves, print my trading rules up on a poster with letters 12 inches high. That way I will not have the excuse of trading late at night without my glasses on and not being able to read them from a distance. We all sometimes need to protect ourself from ourself.

At any rate, the more agreement you have between 2 charts the more likely the trade is to succeed and when you have virtually identical charts in 3 time frames you really have a winner. Basically you want all of the stochastics heading in the same direction.
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