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  • #21
  • Edited 1:32am Sep 11, 2005 1:02am | Edited 1:32am
Quoting narafa
FT,

I have been reading your comments about this subject carefully as I really respect your opinions and your point of view.

It has come to my attention that you have been responding with a little bit aggressivness to 90% of my threads. I am not against this as this is a FREE world and everyone has the right to state his point of view out loud.

BUT,

I want to tell you that attacking someones' opinions should be made with little aggressivness I am not offended as I am used to all kinds of opinions. I have been reading and listening most of the time in my life, so it's not problem to me.

Now back to the Gann issue, Gann used techniques that I agree with some and disagree with some. I never follow any model blindly, I usually question everything I read or hear because it's my MONEY that is going to be in action and I will have no one to blame if I lose money as I will have no one to thank if I make money.

Nader
I read through your post but I confess I don't understand your point(s).

1. You asked me a question about where these false stories come from. I thought I wrote a pretty good article about where such stories come from. If you find that agressive I think you'll notice that I tend towards longer rather than shorter articles regardless of who I may respond to.

2. I don't think I actually discredited Gann's analysis of patterns, geometry, or math, but instead described the psychology behind the people who pay because they want to believe in such stories. My point was to illustrate that these two forces work together. The marketer and the purchaser. Each of them wants something and there is a powerful force there that creates many marketing lies such as the 50 million profit lie.

3. Whether somone uses Gann, or Elliot, or James16, for their system development and trading ideas I don't really care. What I do care about is that people are not motivated by false stories. So unless you have cared about these stories of Ganns unbeliveable riches (for his time) then nothing I have said should bother you. I would not dissuade you from pursuing his ideas simply to see what you could get from them -- but I would dissuade you from pursuing his ideas if there were other reasons such as marketing BS, folk legends, or other lies were helping you along. Therefore if you already knew that Gann fed his family from selling his ideas and not from trading there is no basis for my comments. But your question suggested that there was sufficient importance attached to these stories to motivate you to ask where they come from.

4. As far as attacking someones opinions goes I don't see where I have done that. You did not state that your opinion was the the stories were true but instead asked where they come from. How is my answer an attack?

FT
  • #22
  • Edited 1:26am Sep 11, 2005 1:15am | Edited 1:26am
Quoting merlin
holy cow fiji, your posts above are genius. it blows me away how clearly you can articulate incredibly complex material. you need to write a book man.

this, for instance, was so well said it made me stand and applaud...

"This probably makes it sound like I'm down on idealists or more esoteric approaches to any discipline in life. I'm not. However I've found that trading requires a bold and hardened pragmatic nature that is oriented to results and not theories. Trading is a numbers game and a very plain one at that. Most people cannot easily make the adjustment from the forgiving nature of most areas of life to the completely ruthless nature of trading. You are right or wrong. You cannot go and apologize to the market and talk really nice to it and get your money back."
Thank you Merlin. Coming from you that is a compliment indeed!

Actually after the positive response and encouragement I've been receiving from some of the fine folks on this forum -- I've decided to accept James16's offer to write on psychology and money mgt. for his course. I have some ways of writing about psychology that I've not seen elsewhere that may stand a good chance of getting across a few things that most people (even pros) never realize or even think about concerning psychology. This morning it came back to me how to lay out a rather unusual foundation for psychology that may help traders to see just how pervasive it really is.

FT
  • #23
  • Sep 11, 2005 2:36pm Sep 11, 2005 2:36pm
Quoting fijitrader
Actually after the positive response and encouragement I've been receiving from some of the fine folks on this forum -- I've decided to accept James16's offer to write on psychology and money mgt. for his course.
oh boy, this is gunna be good!
Relax and be happy.
  • #24
  • Sep 11, 2005 10:20pm Sep 11, 2005 10:20pm
Fijitrader you're making me really happy. I'm so glad you've decided to write for James16's course. I look forward to all you have to share, especially your unique way of looking at money management that you talk about. Such valuable insights are imperative to finding your way through the trading world. Thank you for being so generous in sharing your insights. With great anticipation, I'll be watching for your work! candy
  • #25
  • Sep 17, 2005 8:20am Sep 17, 2005 8:20am
Quoting HornedGod
http://www.emule-project.net

Emule and Bit-Torrent are your friend. Use them wisely.
Thanks for the tip man, I will be downloading it soon

Thanks,

Nader
  • #26
  • May 1, 2019 9:05am May 1, 2019 9:05am
honestly I don't know. but I know where you can find out the info. google
  • #27
  • Jan 11, 2026 8:57pm Jan 11, 2026 8:57pm
So I've read a bit more on Gann now.

He appears to have developed some reasonably well-documented mathematical techniques that have been scrutinized and well-studied for many years and decades now. Components are even solidly incorporated into past and current market analytics.
That's the positive spin.

But it does also appear to be true that he may have had more success at selling his trading courses than at actually trading with his own methodology(s):

  1. It does appear to be true that he died with ~$100,000 left in his estate.
  2. And it does appear to be true that his son and agent ("promoter") intimated after his death that he wasn't altogether a hugely successful trader; and moreover, that he was solidly in the business of promoting and selling his high-priced trading courses ($3000-$5000).

As to Gann's sometimes-quoted 90%+ success rate claim(s?): From what I can glean in the writings of others, this (these) may be based on an example(s) of one or more very narrow trading periods and select trades in that span. I can't seem to find anything that firmly validates/proves or invalidates this claim(s), other than pointing to the fact that he wasn't ever uber-rich, that he simply didn't have million of dollars - which I fully expect he would have had if he truly was 90%+ successful at trading.

I think many have capitalized on his legend and on the hope of "secrets" that can make individuals rich. No doubt it's helped make him an almost larger-than-life figure in the trading world post-life, through many decades now.
Many have sold and continue to sell Gann-based offerings still today - some mix of mathematical techniques and claimed "secretive" components perhaps?
And many still seek his "secrets" that they feel were never documented clearly and just aren't fully revealed yet.

It's the stuff of movies for sure - The undiscovered holy grail, the hidden magical key to untold riches for any man who can unlock the as-yet unrevealed "secret"?
That's a powerful motivator and script! It's no wonder his legend lives on.
With both a technical (math) bent and a seeking mind, I can certainly appreciate why a person might want to study up more on Gann and on Gann theory methodology(s). I find it all quite fascinating myself!

  • #28
  • Jan 12, 2026 2:00pm Jan 12, 2026 2:00pm
Quoting PatrickMe
So I've read a bit more on Gann now. He appears to have developed some reasonably well-documented mathematical techniques that have been scrutinized and well-studied for many years and decades now. Components are even solidly incorporated into past and current market analytics. That's the positive spin. But it does also appear to be true that he may have had more success at selling his trading courses than at actually trading with his own methodology(s): It does appear to be true that he died with ~$100,000 left in his estate. And it does appear...
worst first post EVER, welcome to the hall of shame.
"the public is not yet ready for it" W.D. GANN
  • #29
  • Jan 30, 2026 5:40am Jan 30, 2026 5:40am
This is a thread , dead since 2005 . . . Kwt4x made me read it . Interesting topic.

I noticed that nobody mentions the discovery made by Jeanne Long , digging into Gann's material , probably unavailable to the Public.

She wrote a book titled UNIVERSAL CLOCK . -July 1993. Forecasting Time and Price in the Footsteps of W.D.Gann.

I paid a reasonable amount of money at that time... It is free to download now in the Internet .

We are talking about a genious. Rather 2 geniouses. . . . I consider Gann's courses and books a loss of time .

But you will open your mouth in awe and not be able to shut it close again for the rest of your life reading this.

Kind regards.

  • #30
  • Feb 3, 2026 5:10am Feb 3, 2026 5:10am
Quoting F.g
This is a thread , dead since 2005 . . . Kwt4x made me read it . Interesting topic. I noticed that nobody mentions the discovery made by Jeanne Long , digging into Gann's material , probably unavailable to the Public. She wrote a book titled UNIVERSAL CLOCK . -July 1993. Forecasting Time and Price in the Footsteps of W.D.Gann. I paid a reasonable amount of money at that time... It is free to download now in the Internet . We are talking about a genious. Rather 2 geniouses. . . . I consider Gann's courses and books a loss of time . But you will open...
Patrick Mikula and Danielle Prandelli took her work another step further

Ganns Soybean LETTER and Coffee Letter in 1954 to students explain the game he was up to
  • #31
  • Feb 3, 2026 5:36am Feb 3, 2026 5:36am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} Patrick Mikula and Danielle Prandelli took her work another step further Ganns Soybean LETTER and Coffee Letter in 1954 to students explain the game he was up to
Thank you , man. Would you suggest a specific book of Prandelli to buy or download...?

Kind regards,

  • #32
  • Edited 6:07am Feb 3, 2026 5:54am | Edited 6:07am
Quoting F.g
{quote} Thank you , man. Would you suggest a specific book of Prandelli to buy or download...? Kind regards,
No probs

"The Law of Cause and Effect"
The cycle he mentions on page 133 is due this year - Its not his discovery, but I know he mentions it in the book - I recently wrote about this cycle on ParisBoy's thread https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...s-waves-cycles
  • #33
  • Feb 4, 2026 11:18am Feb 4, 2026 11:18am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} No probs "The Law of Cause and Effect" The cycle he mentions on page 133 is due this year - Its not his discovery, but I know he mentions it in the book - I recently wrote about this cycle on ParisBoy's thread https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...s-waves-cycles

Thanks, man . . . .

  • #34
  • Feb 8, 2026 4:44pm Feb 8, 2026 4:44pm
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} No probs "The Law of Cause and Effect" The cycle he mentions on page 133 is due this year - Its not his discovery, but I know he mentions it in the book - I recently wrote about this cycle on ParisBoy's thread https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...s-waves-cycles
Thtpro, hi.

I tried to find Prandelli 's book . I did not find a free download. Would it be possible to assist me ?

Kind regards,

  • #35
  • Feb 8, 2026 5:59pm Feb 8, 2026 5:59pm
Gann will never die,
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As long as markets go up, and back down.
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #36
  • Feb 8, 2026 6:05pm Feb 8, 2026 6:05pm
Lots of documents out there, copyrights have expired
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Go for it, and Good Luck.
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #37
  • Feb 9, 2026 4:21am Feb 9, 2026 4:21am
Quoting F.g
{quote} Thtpro, hi. I tried to find Prandelli 's book . I did not find a free download. Would it be possible to assist me ? Kind regards,
you're not missing much - just application of hit and miss planetary lines as J Long did - you never know in advance which will stop price - but its an interesting book on applying planetary lines

my copy is heavily watermarked so I don't share

I find cycles much more applicable, then just applying common sense trading
  • #38
  • Feb 9, 2026 5:57am Feb 9, 2026 5:57am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} you're not missing much - just application of hit and miss planetary lines as J Long did - you never know in advance which will stop price - but its an interesting book on applying planetary lines my copy is heavily watermarked so I don't share I find cycles much more applicable, then just applying common sense trading
I understand. . . . I downloaded a brief of the book. 20 pages out of the more than 166.

I noticed in page 77 he uses Heliocentric Longitude for the calculation of Planetary Lines .

Is this so , throughout the book ...??? Jeanne used GEO Longitude. Kindly comment...

Regards,

  • #39
  • Feb 9, 2026 6:12am Feb 9, 2026 6:12am
Quoting F.g
{quote} I understand. . . . I downloaded a brief of the book. 20 pages out of the more than 166. I noticed in page 77 he uses Heliocentric Longitude for the calculation of Planetary Lines . Is this so , throughout the book ...??? Jeanne used GEO Longitude. Kindly comment... Regards,
Yeah Heliocentric calcs
  • #40
  • Feb 10, 2026 4:30am Feb 10, 2026 4:30am
With Gann - we can make fun of retracement levels being hit or miss, that wasn't Gann's quest, Gann showed retracement levels to show that price often found support on or around key 8ths of a price range or a % of a high - All you have to do is apply those methods to markets to see they regularly hit - the trickier part is knowing which level will hold, which comes down to a gamble and that there lies the issue - we want to KNOW which level will hold if at all and that cannot be known on every swing

Some markets [SP500] are VERY mathematical - the chart below shows a technique used to find price resistance and support levels - in the build up to 2022, that mass confluence of lines was screaming out of something major to watch and look deeper at

Not every high low will be caught by this method - because this method ONLY takes a HIGH to LOW swing, you'd need to run low to high swings projected from various lows to find other support/resistance levels [not shown on the chart]

So we can see clearly that the SP500 is working out to some sort of geometry - again in most circumstances, you'd not be able to predict confidently which level would contain a minor or major corrective point, that's not to say that you can't do it every now and then though, as I have made some fantastic calls over the past 15 years

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The MAIN thing with Gann, is and was he showed you how to trade, handle the mental side, stops, trailing stops etc but most of TIME

This included various things such as price levels converted into time cycles and vice versa, Astrology, planetary cycles and static cycles

In the posts above we talked about planetary lines - You can basically make any planetary line fit to price reversal points - like the price retracement and extension points, you never know which will hold and which won't, so using to commit money to becomes risky

We know that on Ganns Soybean 1948 chart he drew Mars and Jupiter planetary lines on the chart that he was watching - The CONJUNCTION of the 2 planets is what Gann was waiting for

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So we know timing was most Important to Gann and obviously planets

Each market works out to its own rhythm and timing due to when they first traded - so blindly applying fixed thinking will only work when you find the market that coincides with the thinking you are applying, which becomes hard work!

Skipping planetary examples, lets look at some static cycles gann said to consider

But first lets look at a SP500 projection based solely off Gann Swings - I've set the swing file to only find swings over 36% - If this formation REPEATS then we have a timing zone and a price zone - I can tell you based on other factors that this formation ends in 2034, I can't tell you where price will end though at this stage, but it should be somewhere on that price zone shown on the chart

This also gives away the most opportune time to simply buy and hold

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Gann amongst other things said to run cycles from highs and lows out into the future - this next chart simply shows a fixed static 10 year [120 month/520 week] doing just that

Take a few mins to study each cycle point and its repeats - lots of them fall on or around turns of a similar nature, the size of the turn is not in question here, its the timing and remember this is a fixed static cycle, so we can't write off a low that should of been a high

The key here is that there are undeniable links between market behaviour and timing


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this one looks at a fixed 60 year cycle - this is Gann's master time factor or one of them! again its a set fixed static cycle, it will be there or there abouts if it works NOT exact

and we can see the SP500 has been repeating the 60 year cycle series of turning points pretty well! If its a 60 year swing low point then the repeat comes in as a low 60 years later!

We've a high point due any week right now in 2026!


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Don't write off Gann - the methods he talks about in his books were for the general public, generic trading ideas and methods - even using these static cycles we can see some use in them

Gann used squares which were basically square root calculators

Here's his square of nine with the SP500 index movements in MONTHS on a monthly chart from 2009 - again you can clearly see that some [not all] of the major turns of the SP500 Index have occurred on 2 key Gann Sq of 9 angles - showing its moves are not random!

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Its up to traders to put the work in and test Gann's methods to see if they can use some of it to their advantage - The TIME side is the key in my opinion
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