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  • Mar 29, 2008 12:12am Mar 29, 2008 12:12am
  •  luSan
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Quoting doremi
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Hi Lusan,

I agree with you dancing naked with EU (low spread..but mine is 3 )...slow dance.....easier to learn how the market sway.....I've been watching your thread......you're a fast learner......As for GJ (9 pips spread ) is not recommended for newbie like me......more suitable for seasoned traders....
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Caramba! 18 pips for a round trip on GJ!!!! I would stay away from that broker...I could not dance at all...
Empty as water and soft as a facing wind mountain
 
 
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Quoting luSan
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Caramba! 18 pips for a round trip on GJ!!!! I would stay away from that broker...I could not dance at all...
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Maybe it's because of the different leverage offered by each broker. For EU, Oanda - 1:50 (spread 0.9 pips).....my broker - 1:400 (spread 3.0 pips). No doubt leverage is double edge sword but for 1000 troops your margin is usd20 mine only usd4......so 10000 troops yours is usd200 and mine only usd40. So likewise for the GJ.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 6:43am Mar 29, 2008 6:43am
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Quoting luSan
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Caramba! 18 pips for a round trip on GJ!!!! I would stay away from that broker...I could not dance at all...
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My definition of round trip might be different, but a round trip in a single pair should just be an open and close of a trade and it should only cost the spread, not double. Since you are probably trading on oanda with that spread, opening a trade costs you half spread and closing it costs you the other half, assuming the spread does not change at the open and close.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 9:49am Mar 29, 2008 9:49am
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My definition of round trip might be different, but a round trip in a single pair should just be an open and close of a trade and it should only cost the spread, not double. Since you are probably trading on oanda with that spread, opening a trade costs you half spread and closing it costs you the other half, assuming the spread does not change at the open and close.
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Thanks...I am a newbie and the only think that I know is that the lower the spread the better...I heard the GJ is very volatil -I like that- so I will demo sometime in the future the pair...my problem is that I do not want to confuse my learning the song played by EUR/US...

I just checked my Oanda account...I found that my setting for leverage was 20:1. Amazing! Ignoramus...I changed it to 50:1...Of course, that should not matter at all, -more soldiers, true- since I keep myself far away from any margin call...but after Leighsww's matrix I will start being more aggressive with my unit sizing.

Regards
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  • Mar 29, 2008 11:46am Mar 29, 2008 11:46am
  •  Zoran
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Your comfortable speed for GJ @ 5M sounds like driving at Formula One Circuit......50-100 pips movement.......not the comfortable speed for the faint hearted.
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True. I wouldn't advise anyone who is just starting out to follow this pair but I've been watching (and trading) it for about 9 months and I like the volatility. According to fti it is just a cross of GBP/USD x USD/JPY.

I've just added an extra monitor to the set so I can start experimenting with the three kingdoms. When I get back from vacation I'll be dedicating a lot more time to trading and practicing.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 12:03pm Mar 29, 2008 12:03pm
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One of the crosses that provide good volatility yet spread is kept at 4 pips is EURJPY. One might want to consider trading this currency pair besides the majors. I have been trading this pair for a year and found it very good to trade with.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 12:21pm Mar 29, 2008 12:21pm
  •  luSan
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One of the crosses that provide good volatility yet spread is kept at 4 pips is EURJPY. One might want to consider trading this currency pair besides the majors. I have been trading this pair for a year and found it very good to trade with.
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fti, here is a question for you:

During our naked trading period, should we stick to a single pair or should we go for the crazy beasts as E/J?

My opinion: learn just one...if this work...then there is no need to move out...just master that pair and your time frame... At least this is what I understand from yours teaching...Me? I am not changing a thing..(just in case you think that I am changing my pair...I am NOT!)

Your kind words will be appreciated.

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luSan

I think having many charts in vision and checking relative action is the way of the three kingdoms. I have noticed that GJ and DOW tend to be in sync but to begin with, I believe we should be dancing with one partner only.

fti may have answered your question here.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...51#post1894851
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 2:39pm Mar 29, 2008 2:39pm
  •  luSan
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luSan

I think having many charts in vision and checking relative action is the way of the three kingdoms. I have noticed that GJ and DOW tend to be in sync but to begin with, I believe we should be dancing with one partner only.

fti may have answered your question here.

http://www.forexfactory.com/showthre...51#post1894851
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Zoran, thanks for the reminder. You are correct -I forgot- a good reason to reread the thread.

At this time, I will NOT place any charts different than EUR/US in my workstation... It is too premature for me...I will stay with me beautiful lady-monster...

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  • Mar 29, 2008 3:46pm Mar 29, 2008 3:46pm
  •  jest1081
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During our naked trading period, should we stick to a single pair or should we go for the crazy beasts as E/J?
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the best thing about the 3kingdom is...
the movements of these 3 pairs will tell you how the crosses move.

going long usdjpy and eurusd, is equivalent to going long eurjpy. same goes for usdjpy and gbpusd. I'd suggest to rack it up on your templates coz even if ur only dancing one pair, its good to see how these three react, respond and relate to each other short term , mid term and long term.

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  • Mar 29, 2008 4:09pm Mar 29, 2008 4:09pm
  •  Zoran
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luSan

I think you are wise to stick with EUR/USD to begin with but it probably wouldn't hurt just to introduce a few other charts (USD/JPY and cable GBP/USD) at some stage. Not to trade but just to become familiar with them. Since I know Guppy/Geppy (GBP/JPY) best I will stick with it for now. This may change once I get a little more experience with the three kingdoms.
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 7:17pm Mar 29, 2008 7:17pm
  •  leighsww
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You know, I tried watching the 3 Kingdoms to see correlation between all the pairs and cross-pairs (as fti had suggested that I reconsider doing, since I had brought my opinions up before about being distracted by having to watch what other kingdoms were doing, lol), so I did give it another try for a while, cuz I wanted to keep an open mind about it, but I again encountered a few times where they were so out of sync with each other, that I just can't see how it would be useful/reliable to use it for any type of analysis.

And since I felt it was unreliable, and wasn't going to be using it to make any type of decisions on my dancing, what was the point to watching them? lol. (haha, fti is going to scold me, but that's just my experience having tried implementing that 3 kingdom thingy in my dance .

For me, the fact that it's been unreliable even if only a few times, yet at any given time, is reason for me to prefer sticking with keeping my focus on the PA of the currency pair I am currently dancing and nothing else, because no matter what, by looking at what the other kingdoms are doing, it means that you are going to be basing something on it, and so what then happens if they decide to go out of sync (which if you've been watching them enough, must have seen them do, as I have)?

How can using the 3 Kingdoms help us with our dancing in the moment if sometimes they do go out of sync?

fti ... I don't mean to go against your training on this, but can you disagree with my assessment? Because I'm sure you've seen them out of sync in the past, as well.

I guess the only reason I am bringing this up, is because if people start letting the 3 kingdoms influence their dancing, just be mindful, because they do go out of sync once in a while. I guess because of this fact, I just don't see it being as any more useful as fundamentals (as we know, those tend to be unreliable, too, as we experienced in the last month with all this FED thingys and the US$'s decline, yet the forex market not doing what it should, given those fundamentals, lol).

As far is trading more than one currency pair goes ... I changed my mindset about that one, too, haha. At first I was only trading E/J and no other pair, but then after doing my spreadsheet and trading just the cheaper pairs (the ones with no more than 100 margin debit) to always have the maximum amount of troop/lots available for dancing, I have found that as long as I just concentrate on how I dance the PA at the moment, there's no difference to me, in whether I get to know the currency pair better or not.

The last month or two has proved to me even moreso that there's NO particular way any pair moves, there's no pattern set in stone, it's as we have been saying all along ... the market is unpredictable, no fundamental or TA is 100% reliable in determining where it's going to go, so I have come to the conclusion that I have to just trade in the "NOW" and not believe that I'm ever going to get to know better or understand more easily, any of these pairs like the back of my hand, because they are too temperamental. Just when you think you've gotten to know them better, they do something totally unexpected, lol.

I have a feeling many might have experienced some major losses in the last month or two, due to the temperament and wildness of the market going against what should have been otherwise dictated by the fundamentals.

Anyway, that's just what I've been experiencing so far with my dancing. I've finally just told myself to not have any expectations on what any of these currency pairs are going to do or not do. I just have to let the PA take me where it's going to take me and just dance with it as best I can at that given moment.

Thus, my actual dancing has got to be on the 5m charts, yet referring to the higher timeframes for trend direction/determination, and to bank whatever pips I can before the tide turns on me.

My spreadsheet has helped to remind me to not be greedy and to just be consistent and steadily bank at least 15 - 20 pips per troop per trade, and eventually my journey will be fruitful.

I just want to make trading simple and not have too many distractions with influencing my decisions, so although I trade one pair at any given time (I don't look at any others while I'm trading), but after each trade is done, I have several pairs to pick from when starting a new dance.

I also pick them according to which direction I would be going in at any given time. For example, when I get up in the morning and I look at my charts, and let's say I have a choice between U/J or A/U, but I would need to go SHORT for U/J and LONG for A/U, I'd pick A/U to go into because I have a positive rollover rate for that pair yet a negative rollover rate for U/J. I'm in a timezone (and I still can't dance as fast as luSan or fti , that my dances usually extend into that rollover time.

This is also why I scrapped the higher priced pairs like E/J, E/U, G/U, because they use up more margin debit, thus they don't allow me to utilize my maximize all around potential/benefits with troop/lot distribution. As long as I keep dancing well and not make any stupid decisions/moves, and keep banking my consistent pips, none of that other stuff (fundamentals, watching 3 kingdoms, etc.) matters.

{ :: Oh boy, Leigh knows that fti is going to get out his bazooka on her now, aye yai yai :: }
 
 
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  • Mar 29, 2008 10:31pm Mar 29, 2008 10:31pm
  •  luSan
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You know, I tried watching the 3 Kingdoms to see correlation between all the pairs and cross-pairs (as fti had suggested that I reconsider doing, since I had brought my opinions up before about being distracted by having to watch what other kingdoms were doing, lol), so I did give it another try for a while, cuz I wanted to keep an open mind about it, but I again encountered a few times where they were so out of sync with each other, that I just can't see how it would be useful/reliable to use it for any type of analysis.

And since I felt it was unreliable, and wasn't going to be using it to make any type of decisions on my dancing, what was the point to watching them? lol. (haha, fti is going to scold me, but that's just my experience having tried implementing that 3 kingdom thingy in my dance .

For me, the fact that it's been unreliable even if only a few times, yet at any given time, is reason for me to prefer sticking with keeping my focus on the PA of the currency pair I am currently dancing and nothing else, because no matter what, by looking at what the other kingdoms are doing, it means that you are going to be basing something on it, and so what then happens if they decide to go out of sync (which if you've been watching them enough, must have seen them do, as I have)?
>>>that is my problem. Prior to entering into the trade, the information about other pairs might be useful. After entering, this is a real trouble for me because I need to focus, let go of a conception and to deliver my soul to PA. Dance, dance, dance. What is the use of the out of sync, when my eye are lovingly resting on 5M legs and telling me..."Lusan, I will rest now"... and she go to bed in front of my eyes"...What to do? ...Get out quick, quick, a reversal is coming... AAAAh...

How can using the 3 Kingdoms help us with our dancing in the moment if sometimes they do go out of sync?
>>>Actually, I think that it might be useful during the analysis part, prior to the actual trading...If you are the type that wait for the right moment to enter into the trade...I suspect...At the beginning of my forex experience, I have the majors always in the screen together with rsi, sto, ema, and dx, ...they were useless and a total distraction...so I dumped them fast and populated my screen with different time frames...

fti ... I don't mean to go against your training on this, but can you disagree with my assessment? Because I'm sure you've seen them out of sync in the past, as well.

I guess the only reason I am bringing this up, is because if people start letting the 3 kingdoms influence their dancing, just be mindful, because they do go out of sync once in a while. I guess because of this fact, I just don't see it being as any more useful as fundamentals (as we know, those tend to be unreliable, too, as we experienced in the last month with all this FED thingys and the US$'s decline, yet the forex market not doing what it should, given those fundamentals, lol).

As far is trading more than one currency pair goes ... I changed my mindset about that one, too, haha. At first I was only trading E/J and no other pair, but then after doing my spreadsheet and trading just the cheaper pairs (the ones with no more than 100 margin debit) to always have the maximum amount of troop/lots available for dancing, I have found that as long as I just concentrate on how I dance the PA at the moment, there's no difference to me, in whether I get to know the currency pair better or not.
>>>This is my suspicious too, but I do not have time to check ithis out when I am IN...When I trade I am totally inmerse on the action otherwise I would not listen to the 5M music..

The last month or two has proved to me even moreso that there's NO particular way any pair moves, there's no pattern set in stone, it's as we have been saying all along ... the market is unpredictable, no fundamental or TA is 100% reliable in determining where it's going to go, so I have come to the conclusion that I have to just trade in the "NOW"
>>>Oh...Zen meditation for you!

and not believe that I'm ever going to get to know better or understand more easily, any of these pairs like the back of my hand, because they are too temperamental. Just when you think you've gotten to know them better, they do something totally unexpected, lol.
>>>I have that feeling too.

I have a feeling many might have experienced some major losses in the last month or two, due to the temperament and wildness of the market going against what should have been otherwise dictated by the fundamentals.

Anyway, that's just what I've been experiencing so far with my dancing. I've finally just told myself to not have any expectations on what any of these currency pairs are going to do or not do. I just have to let the PA take me where it's going to take me and just dance with it as best I can at that given moment.

Thus, my actual dancing has got to be on the 5m charts, yet referring to the higher timeframes for trend direction/determination, and to bank whatever pips I can before the tide turns on me.

My spreadsheet has helped to remind me to not be greedy and to just be consistent and steadily bank at least 15 - 20 pips per troop per trade, and eventually my journey will be fruitful.

I just want to make trading simple and not have too many distractions with influencing my decisions, so although I trade one pair at any given time (I don't look at any others while I'm trading), but after each trade is done, I have several pairs to pick from when starting a new dance.

I also pick them according to which direction I would be going in at any given time. For example, when I get up in the morning and I look at my charts, and let's say I have a choice between U/J or A/U, but I would need to go SHORT for U/J and LONG for A/U, I'd pick A/U to go into because I have a positive rollover rate for that pair yet a negative rollover rate for U/J. I'm in a timezone (and I still can't dance as fast as luSan or fti , that my dances usually extend into that rollover time.
>>>I love this idea...Something to think about and explore on demo time. So you ask yourself every morning, "Which pair should I trade?" ...Ha...

This is also why I scrapped the higher priced pairs like E/J, E/U, G/U, because they use up more margin debit, thus they don't allow me to utilize my maximize all around potential/benefits with troop/lot distribution. As long as I keep dancing well and not make any stupid decisions/moves, and keep banking my consistent pips, none of that other stuff (fundamentals, watching 3 kingdoms, etc.) matters.

>>>Leigh, we are in trouble. I agree with you...merging with the time frame...NOW...the rest is just....a big distraction.

{ :: Oh boy, Leigh knows that fti is going to get out his bazooka on her now, aye yai yai :: }
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Leigh,

I wonder the beating we will get from fti...you are not alone... I will join you in the pain...this is a rebelion...we will be fired for falling in love with PA...aAhhh..

fti, is this rebelion part of the training we are getting from you? Somebody said, "If you see the Buddha on the road, kill him." If so, I am not ready...there is so much to learn...

Regards,
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  •  txfx
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Since becoming fully engrossed in this amazing thread for the last hour or so, it has become abundantly clear that pg. 1 is the next destination of my journey.

fti, et al., I promise not to clutter up the landscape until all has been absorbed...or at least read through. Hope everyone is enjoying their weekend. See you on the other side.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2008 12:54am Mar 30, 2008 12:54am
  •  jest1081
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There are a few things to consider and see....
Its not becoz these guys go out of sync....

there are considerations...

IF
eurusd usdjpy and gbpusd all goes up... means the jpy crosses are going up and market is hugely bullish

eurusd up, gbpusd down, usdjpy down... means eurgbp up while usdjpy will continue to lead the crosses down...lesser downside expeted on eurjpy due to bullishness of eurusd

and it goes on.

I know, you'll be asking youselves, so what? How does this help? I may be wrong but i've noticed that among these 3 the price movements do show certain anomalies. and when it happens you may be given an oppurtunity to take advantage of. FTI may have not told us anything on how to take advantage of it, but in the longer frames, he did say gbp and eur usually move in sync while yen should move opposite.

I may think differently from you guys, but maybe, just maybe its still good that you look at the yen and the cable too, no need to trade them but get the nuance on their movements and a good feel of them, we are after all still learning, might as well place them when doing our practicals.
 
 
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  • Mar 30, 2008 1:20am Mar 30, 2008 1:20am
  •  leighsww
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So you ask yourself every morning, "Which pair should I trade?" ...Ha...
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LOL, sorta. I go through my 6 charts with each of my possible pairs (A/U, N/U, U/J, U/CAD, U/CHF and N/J), then I look for which pairs have their PA looking good for entry (I do not go in if the market is in consolidation or if the PA is against the 2hr and 4hr trend), then if it comes down to more than one available, I then choose which has the positive rollover rate. If none do, then I look for the one with the least amount of negative rollover. If it's Wednesday and the only one I can dance with has a high negative rollover, then I wait till after the rollover, cuz with triple rollover rates, if I were in a #5 rescue sequence at that particular rollover time, then the interest is dang expensive for pairs with -5%+ interest rate. I paid $25 once on a Wednesday rollover, lol. If I was making hundreds/thousands of $$ per trade, then paying $25 on a rollover interest is no big deal, but with still being in the beginning stages of my spreadsheet's compounding table, I'm not there yet where it's feasible to pay that high a rollover rate.

I try to make the best possible decisions for maximum returns.

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this is a rebelion
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This is NOT a rebellion!! LOL. Sheesh, we have the right to our own opinions, and fti said for himself the very first post he made in this thread ...

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-no mentor, or course, or literiture can give anyone the holy grail to the secrets of success in trading in the markets.
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BUT, we are not having a rebellion, nor a mutiny, lol. We still love our leader, we just might not have every single viewpoint be the same as his, which we are all entitled to since this is still a free thready and not a dictatorship, right? haha

Anyway, for me, I just didn't have success with trying to correlate the other pairs with each other. When I was trading the E/J, sometimes it would go in sync with U/J and other times with E/U yet both would go opposite of each other many times, lol. This is why I figured that it doesn't work for me, cuz it's too ambiguous, as I couldn't get any consistency with how they move, so how can I use any of that info for any type of analysis? It doesn't give me anything stable to follow.

So, this is why I had to give up the 3 kingdom training and just concentrate on one kingdom at a time, because that's what works for me.
 
 
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I may think differently from you guys, but maybe, just maybe its still good that you look at the yen and the cable too, no need to trade them but get the nuance on their movements and a good feel of them, we are after all still learning, might as well place them when doing our practicals.
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I actually do trade the U/J.

I'm just saying that for me, I did spend quite a fair amount of time watching and studying all the pairs. Even before doing fti's method, I used to study and trade all the majors (even the G/U) and after Zoran mentioned trading the G/J, I started trading the E/J, as well as still watched all the other pairs due to fti mentioning his 3 kingdoms correlation.

However, after almost a year of watching and studying all these pairs, I just found too many times they had these discrepancies/anomalies (ex: I've seen E/U and G/U go opposite of each other when normally they go in sync, and times when U/J went in sync with one and not the other and then in sync with both, and then not in sync with one or both, etc.). Basically all of them (as well as other pairs), at times, made every combination possible, lol.

I guess, for me, I just don't find it worth putting much time/energy into it because it's just too random when the anomalies may happen.

It becomes that "Law of Diminishing Returns" for me, because why have one more thing I have to put attention to, if it's not doing anything but having me guess whether they are going to go in sync or not and then base any decisions on how I am going to trade on that sort of information.

If it works for you, then that's great. I'm just saying that I've given it enough of a chance to assess that it just doesn't do anything worthwhile for me.

There's a lot of great teachings that fti has given us, but I'm not necessarily going to do everything he does, because it has to make sense for how it works for me.

Since I don't have telepathy as to when the anomalies will happen or not, I find it's better not to even enter that info into my consciousness.

I wish I had a screenshot for every time the anomalies happened, cuz when they happened too many times, is when I said to myself that the 3 kingdom thingy wasn't useful for me.

But, others of you might be able to make it work for you, as fti has, so go for it. I'm just giving my opinion based on my own experience with it, that's all :
 
 
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  •  Miach
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First post here on my new account. Been along time since I posted anything heh. I have really enjoyed this thread. Thanks FTI and all that contribute regularly.

I just wanted to point something out about the "three kingdoms":

Yes, they don't always correlate. I don't use U/J or G/U to determine direction of G/Y. However, what I do think is very helpful is keeping track enough so you know when U/J and G/U are moving in the same direction together at the same time. When that happens you can expect higher volatility in G/J and thus larger, faster movements. Movements in U/J tend to affect movement in G/J to a greater degree than G/U. So I don't look for large pip movements on G/J if I only have G/U moving in the direction of the PA in G/J. Etc Etc.
 
 
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  •  leighsww
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However, what I do think is very helpful is keeping track enough so you know when U/J and G/U are moving in the same direction together at the same time. When that happens you can expect higher volatility in G/J and thus larger, faster movements. Movements in U/J tend to affect movement in G/J to a greater degree than G/U. So I don't look for large pip movements on G/J if I only have G/U moving in the direction of the PA in G/J. Etc Etc.
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Now, that's great if that's how you use it and it's been working for you!

I haven't studied it in the way of volatility, so that's cool if you're using the info for something like that and it's not as ambiguous as the correlation concept.

For me, I'm still going to have to keep my dancing simple and light, though, since it's working fine for me as is, without the need for any more pieces of arsenal, lol. I'm tiny so I can't (or rather, don't want to) carry around as much weapons as some of you guys :

As they say, don't fix what ain't broken, so I'm good dancing with just my nunchucks, hehe http://leighswishingwell.com/lp/emotes/bruce_h4h.gif

Thanks for sharing that though, cuz many others may find that very useful!
 
 
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(ex: I've seen E/U and G/U go opposite of each other when normally they go in sync, and times when U/J went in sync with one and not the other and then in sync with both, and then not in sync with one or both, etc.)


Exactly, this is why i tell you its worth watching em. coz just by spotting the anomalies. We can gauge how the crosses are behaving. There's always a fundamental reason which tells you why they are behaving differently and the result can be seen in the crosses.

e.g. When EU and GU go opposite of each other, and when we have multiple wave forms of them indicating opposite swing movements, it does mean that EurGbp is trending very well it would be wise to take a trade with EurGbp to exploit both currencies in one trade. (note that EG perpip worth is twice that of EU)

I tend to analyse their correlative actions on the 1hr timeframe watching for anomalies instead of comparing them on the 5min frames.

and i agree that UJ usually leads the way for the yen crosess. But the volatility can be guaged by watchin the trend of EU and GU. If EU and GU falls together with UJ, expect a rout in the crosses. If EU and GU Trends up, it means that the crosses are trending down but not at a rate where the volatility is strong enough to create 200-400pip movement, again, this will allow you to take the option of shorting/long-ing: EJ and GJ instead of UJ and take advantage of the large volatilty to make more $. Coz ur basically trading the same PA.

Is this arb? I dont know but trading fx for 4 years, i havent heard of fti 3kingdom nor do i know its schematics, most of my trade decisions, then, were based on these correlation of the majors. There's a thread here in FF which discusses correlations, i just cant remember where or when but its worth noting. I had been long eurgbp numerous times by watching eu and gu swing trends.
 
 
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