Analysis and Trading based on Envelopes, Waves, Cycles

Yet another one of many Octave examples ?

A poor man's idea
of
Trying to find a Cycle
ps
well just a bit of Sunday afternoon fun

Gold countertrend rally incoming

dominant cycles are troughing
Momentum is slowing, but currently have bear exhaustion not bear exit
No price action confirmation yet - but we are at the bottom of the daily octave

Silver - similar outlook to Gold

Remember the BLUE LINE can be forward projected into the future [It is planetary]



I remember the "hype" around Gold/Silver back in 2011 was 1 million times more than it has been this time around and this time around the run has been much more significant

Anyone reading this thread should have absolutely zero doubt that cycles control financial markets and you should be waking up to the fact that planets have something to do with it all as well

No Idea what I am doing (hahaaaa)

ps
Selling the Farm
Cashing in almost everything I can
WAITING FOR OCTOBER

TBH
Cycles YES
Planets H'mmm not convinced Yet

This is why I said "countertrend rally" (clear dominant cycle)

Many gold bugs disagree, they believe this is a good long term entry for another bull run, I don't

Yeah its a real shame gold wasn't freely traded for decades otherwise we'd have exact movements for it

Anyway the "pattern" is pretty obvious = spike then years of doldrums then repeat

Sounds CRAZY doesn't it and to make matters even worse there's Astrology

Gann in his novel Tunnel said he believes in the science of Astrology - but no-one has managed to put together a decent method based off Astrology because its all this planet in this house = xxxxxxx or is it yyyyyy or it could be aaaaaaaa - which you can't work with risking money on what ifs

Planets in my book = Astronomy, because we can use their positions etc which is not subject to guess work, its exactness - which is TOTALLY different to Astrology

I wouldn't risk my money based off Astrology hearsay - I need virtual definite's

You can't apply it to every squiggle either, you can go backwards and say this turn was x and that turn was y but it all falls apart when you try to forward apply it - but you can forward apply the more long term stuff, which gives you a "framework" that then repeats - you just need decades and decades of price data to analyse

If you have read Gann - he works off 360 degrees of a circle - the 360 could be anything, price, pennies, £'s, degrees of the year, sun, planets or combinations of planets etc

Then within his circle he often had a triangle and square - this gives the 120 degrees [Triangle] and 90 degrees [Square] points around the circle as shown below



So we can use some of those key points of a circle in watching planets throughout their orbits [Cycles] around the sun

This is a chart of the SP500 I created in May 2015 and manually added the 15 degree points of the circle of the planets SATURN and URANUS as a COMBINED cycle of the 2 [45 years] around the sun

So I just plotted on a price chart starting at the 1987 LOW, every 15 degrees up to the 240th degree - 360 degrees is 45 years which 1987+45 = 2032

So this particular cycle ENDS in 2032 - calculate this exactly and you will have the date to the day

Some pretty good hits eh?

What about 2002 and 2009? - What DEGREES of the circle did they land on? Pretty IMPORTANT ones!

Now knowing what I do about this cycle I can tell you for a FACT that in 2032 when this cycle ENDS price will be a pretty decent LOW - I don't know the price level, just the date will be a low from which price will rally up off/from



Now I will show you another setting of this particular cycle, but as I do so, also work out 45 YEARS BACKWARDS in TIME from 1987 to see on the charts i'm going to show you how the cycle did prior to 1987 - so you are looking for 1942!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The next one back from that is 1897 which I can't show, but it WAS exactly the same type of price position as 1942/1987 and what 2032 will be!

So we are using the SAME PLANETARY combination as above, but just applying it differently

All I have done this time is worked out the 270 DEGREES points of the cycle and plotted them out from the 1907 DJIA crash low that wiped out Gann and many others - Note 270 degrees is part of the SQUARE movement of degrees

This one was a half decent hit but in the end nothing to write home about (notice 1942 from above!)


From 1940 low forward another 270 degrees of the circle

WHAT A HIT - LUCKY?




What about the next forward movement of 270 degs from the 1974 bottom?

We seem to have something here folks!



So with this planetary combo - we have multiple hits of major turning points in the stock market

Now you will now go off and try to work out some logic high/low sequencing - for the next turn, it can't be done, don't waste your time - in 2042 it WILL be a high or low point but it all depends on how it fits into the overall framework at that time - it doesn't matter because in 2042 you'll KNOW by price action what its going to be!

Take the 1940 LOW, that did NOT work out great because of how close it was to the 1942 low which was the more dominant cycle around that time

Although this planetary cycle combo is highly accurate and accounts for many many turns in many markets - its only part of the overall story, other planets and planetary combos are playing out, which account for EVERY SINGLE MAJOR TURNING POINT in stock market history - EVERY single one of them

Global liquidity is also useful for forecasting turning points. Howell argues that high stock prices will remain high as long as there's the liquidity available for refinancing. When the liquidity dries up that's when the market declines (& vice versa)

Global liquidity v's SPX leading into the GFC


Take a look at global liquidity v's SPX right now. Looks very similar. A move below 50 means that global liquidity momentum has fallen below its 10-year historical average. It did that a week or two before the GFC crash commenced

Thank you Thtpro
Really do appreciate your posts very enlightening

ps Here is my simplistic way of trading
I minute Chart PRICE Action
a - Start of the day
B - After first chart shift

ps
I except I am just not at the level of the main guys on here
but thats life
Just enjoy MY WAY

If it works - its fair game to use

Its all maths - time/price, all works out to maths and geometry

The Work Time and Effort
you have put into YOUR Method
is outstanding
and yes i would have loved to have gone down the same path
but although I understand most of what you explain in great detail
my computer skills always hold me back
Just ask Terry, I test his patients most days
Love the posts keep them coming
but just remember I am just pleased to wake up breathing every day, never mind waiting for 2042 etc

I've only borrowed it from others - the info is all out there

I'm at limits in my PC skills too! too long i the tooth to learn new stuff now

Yeah its all long term stuff due to the overall framework playing out and health is far more important than playing with the markets

You don't need to know anything about the planets to make money out of this game, all you have to do is be aligned with price cycle moves, doesn't matter what we think causes them, time the market right and we make money

Taking a positions in
October looks like it could be fun ?

I guess it is just
Maths ?

Having extensively studied Gann, cycles and envelope Ii can tell you guys, you are neglecting the one mover of price and that's liquidity

I just posted about global liquidity above
https://www.forexfactory.com/thread/...9#post15802639

here's your October entry Dave, but only until the end of the year. (as the cycles stand now)

Interesting stuff Thtpro and it does make sense that the relative position of the planets and stars would have an effect on our behaviour. Take lunacy as an example and the fact that full moons are the busiest nights in police stations & casualty departments. There's also the metonic cycle (about 19yrs) which I believe is the time it takes for the planets and stars to move back to their same relative positions which I've always wondered if it's tied to the 18.6 year land cycle.

The issue for me counting back or forward from previous events is that there is always going to be a new event that the analyst will use for his aha moment somewhere around the new point in time. Similarly with using highs & lows because you can choose to use quarters or thirds or fractions of those quarters and thirds. This is why I've never investigated this any further. I did subscribe to Andrew Pancholi's newsletter for a brief period but the aha moments were too much for me.

I'm not having a go at your method, just saying why I've never gone down that rabbit hole. We all find the methods that suit us