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  • #2,501
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:04am Oct 20, 2025 11:04am
Quoting driven18
{quote} And you all must agree if you are honest with yourself...99% of you FOMO about Monty performance...I love how he is screwing bucket shops with their own rules, he does not know how to trade, but he is a hustler and if for real, it is alright with me. None of you will be able to do what Monty does, but most of you FOMO his results.
As i always say - NETT PROFITABLE TRADERS CAN EASILY MAKE BUCKET LOAD OF MONEY WITH PROPS WITH A FRACTION OF COST...

Remember this - Props have way stricter rule than personal account. Only CONSISTENT PROFITABLE TRADERS CAN PULL OFF PAYOUTS
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  • #2,502
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:04am Oct 20, 2025 11:04am
Quoting driven18
{quote} And you all must agree if you are honest with yourself...99% of you FOMO about Monty performance...I love how he is screwing bucket shops with their own rules, he does not know how to trade, but he is a hustler and if for real, it is alright with me. None of you will be able to do what Monty does, but most of you FOMO his results.
Yes, no way I can do what he does.....I'd drop dead of a heart attack, despite the great shape I'm in.
However, you can trade with 3-4 of the top firms who have a good reputation and payout history and pull 1-2K per month from each.
Not only way less stress, they also do not care about you....you will not be denied payouts and/or banned. I'm talking FTMO and the 5%ers on forex side, Topstep, Tradeify,MFFU and Take Profit Trader on futures side.....you never hear any bullshit from these firms.
A couple of up and comers as well.....Lucid looks pretty good.
  • #2,503
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:10am Oct 20, 2025 11:10am
Quoting VeliVeliGood
{quote} I've only recently (last few months) looked into the prop side of it, as Ive always preferred the own account. However, after trying out props I must admit Id rather buy 20 challenges than put 2k into my own account. I believe the ROI will be better that way, but when I do build enough capital I will probably transit to "own account". 2k own account earning 10 bucks per trading day on average will double + the account in a year. Splitting that up over 20 prop challenges will most probably give me more. I could fail all 20, but I dont believe...
prop and live account are 2 different ways.

monty try the fast in fast out with prop way (so a logic strategy created to defend against the house edges)... because of different risk management and stability with this companies.

if you try real account (darwinex style would count as this too), you try to create stable consistent income and grow with time (because here you have different house edges ... so different kind of long term success) ... so in near most cases (when not start with a lot of experience and knowledge and money on the beginning) you need a working job same time for your stable income until you can switch from stable job income to trading income (because its 3,5,10 times higher.... depends how stable you are and how much are your living costs).

what both ways have together.... you need a lot of losers to pay for the winners.... but it is different way how the winners get paid and that change how you can act and trade and create your systems.

its very important to see that prop gaming and real account trading is 2 different kind of risk structures and income structures... you earn from different kind (even when it looks same from first glance).

the prop gaming is more like casino with blackjack gaming (so yery good math calculated edges) .... has big house edge until you count the cards..... and then prop company will reshuffle cards faster or block you to attend.
  • #2,504
  • Edited 11:28am Oct 20, 2025 11:11am | Edited 11:28am
lucid's live program is the best in the business. Overnight swing trading allowed, no daily limit, no consistency, daily withdrawals, withdraw up to 30K of balance on day 1 and the big one... every 5K made they deposit 50% additional capital to the account as you grow

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  • #2,505
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:14am Oct 20, 2025 11:14am
Quoting CableJ
lucids live program is the best i've seen. Overnight swing trading allowed, no daily limit, no consistency, daily withdrawals, unlock balance after 20d traded and the big one... they match every 5K made 1:1 with money added to the account as you grow
lol, just commented on them up above.
When do they move you to live.....xxx amount of $$$$ or payouts or discrecionary?
  • #2,506
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:17am Oct 20, 2025 11:17am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} As i always say - NETT PROFITABLE TRADERS CAN EASILY MAKE BUCKET LOAD OF MONEY WITH PROPS WITH A FRACTION OF COST... Remember this - Props have way stricter rule than personal account. Only CONSISTENT PROFITABLE TRADERS CAN PULL OFF PAYOUTS
true..... but that problem here is, that most longterm consistent profitable traders earn around 100k already a month... you cant avoid this so easy to earn this much when you do this already a long time.... because just the sum gets higher and higher over the years.....
but could be true for the people who think they are consistent traders, but dont know for sure and dont have a lot of money and earnings from trading each month, because they did it not long enough ... ( so anyone doing it lower than 5 or 10 years (depends on trading style often and how many trades done or how many different markets was included)... so trading already some time consistent, but not enough to know how stable it is over many years and many different markets and over long time ... so with high chance).
  • #2,507
  • Edited 11:36am Oct 20, 2025 11:23am | Edited 11:36am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} lol, just commented on them up above. When do they move you to live.....xxx amount of $$$$ or payouts or discrecionary?
I've been with them for several months. With 5 payouts on my 1st s2f and just added another 1 last week on sale.

6 total payouts.... 19,500 ea account (3K x 3 +3.5K x 3), 97500 total.... they take up to 15K max per account remaining live... 75,000 total... they deposit up to 30K in broker account that you can withdraw from on day 1. the remaining 45K is put in escrow and is released 1:1 every 5K made into the broker account + an additional 50% added from lucid.
  • #2,508
  • Oct 20, 2025 12:06pm Oct 20, 2025 12:06pm
Quoting CableJ
{quote} I've been with them for several months. With 5 payouts on my 1st s2f and just added another 1 last week on sale. 6 total payouts.... 19,500 ea account (3K x 3 +3.5K x 3), 97500 total.... they take up to 15K max per account remaining live... 75,000 total... they deposit up to 30K in broker account that you can withdraw from on day 1. the remaining 45K is put in escrow and is released 1:1 every 5K made into the broker account + an additional 50% added from lucid.
Any live account that provides good split and chance to have atleast 5k+ per account push to Live is good...
tradeify, fundingticks, topstep, lucid etc all good... Even mffu is alright

1. fundingticks - for 50k max 7500$ per account push to live - I am still waiting for 7500x6 = 45k live
2. Topstep - MAx to the account size for eg i have 50k so max is 50k live i.e 10k per account
3. Tradeify - I think close to 50k after taking continous max payouts.
4. Lucid - Really good....
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  • #2,509
  • Oct 20, 2025 12:11pm Oct 20, 2025 12:11pm
Secured Funding For FuturesNExt...

THis time instead of legacy challenge picked up Rapid challenge....

I am max funding at the firms i want to.. SO i wont be pruchasing anymore evals from now... not gonna play with smaller firms...
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  • #2,510
  • Oct 20, 2025 12:13pm Oct 20, 2025 12:13pm
Bulenox -- Look at this 19 trading days still haven't received the first payout.......

I requested on OCt 6 if i remember correctly........

Total 1500x6 = 9k waiting for it....
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  • #2,511
  • Oct 20, 2025 4:04pm Oct 20, 2025 4:04pm
Taking your guy's recommendation on Lucid giving the 50K challenge a try. There Live program seems pretty cool.
They have a 45% off sale right now I think because there were ProjectX issues today. Code: NINJA
Came to $67
Awesome job with them CableJ
  • #2,512
  • Oct 20, 2025 4:12pm Oct 20, 2025 4:12pm
Quoting mallee
{quote} Soldier on old mate, I shook my head when I saw that post from Erebus. Maybe he just got out of the wrong side of the bed that day. Cheers
Sorry, sorry, sorry, I probably worded that wrong now that I think about it.

Yes, he has shown the trade results and certainly shared the payout results.

What I was meaning is the trading strategy, not easy to reverse engineer from the results is it?

Must be breakout, momentum, get lucky with gold, prescience; who knows what the setup and trigger is?

Full congratulation to monty and long may he prosper!
It takes a lot for me to IGNORE you, but you can try.
  • #2,513
  • Oct 20, 2025 6:00pm Oct 20, 2025 6:00pm
Quoting Erebus
{quote} Sorry, sorry, sorry, I probably worded that wrong now that I think about it. Yes, he has shown the trade results and certainly shared the payout results. What I was meaning is the trading strategy, not easy to reverse engineer from the results is it? Must be breakout, momentum, get lucky with gold, prescience; who knows what the setup and trigger is? Full congratulation to monty and long may he prosper!
i have shared so many times my strategy is momentom and only other confluence i use is my guts coz i have been following gold for nearly 6+ years day in day out….. thats why most of the time i can easily figure out all the f@@kery it does before picking up momentum…

most importantly the reason i am surviving in the markets is i take losses pretty quickly and move to breakeven the moment it reaches half of my target…..
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  • #2,514
  • Oct 20, 2025 6:07pm Oct 20, 2025 6:07pm
Gold is ready to bulldoze 4400 magical number… multiple times it has retraced … this time it’ll fly away
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  • #2,515
  • Oct 20, 2025 6:28pm Oct 20, 2025 6:28pm
Quoting montygoldy
Gold is ready to bulldoze 4400 magical number… multiple times it has retraced … this time it’ll fly away
Hmmmmm.....I'm short with stops above ATH....In my darwinex so can easily average in and out.
I'm probably wrong though
When it falls though, it will cascade as it takes out all the stops on the longs. I'm looking for $200 drop.
  • #2,516
  • Edited 9:33pm Oct 20, 2025 9:17pm | Edited 9:33pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Any live account that provides good split and chance to have atleast 5k+ per account push to Live is good... tradeify, fundingticks, topstep, lucid etc all good... Even mffu is alright 1. fundingticks - for 50k max 7500$ per account push to live - I am still waiting for 7500x6 = 45k live 2. Topstep - MAx to the account size for eg i have 50k so max is 50k live i.e 10k per account 3. Tradeify - I think close to 50k after taking continous max payouts. 4. Lucid - Really good....
not really, if the firm doesn't have skin in the game it makes zero sense to stay live other than to release the hostage by fulfilling their requirements to unlock your remaining balance transferred to live.

Live negatives
1. some still have the training wheels on with live rules (scaling lot limits, daily limits, consistency, no overnight, no on demand daily withdrawals)
2. giving up 10-20% to the prop in split
3. paying an additional 10-15% in ordinary income tax rates (we have a special lower 60% long term cap gains/40% short term cap gains tax rate for FX/futures)
4. paying significantly higher monthly professional exchange data fees vs free non pro fees.

the math aint mathin unless they add their capital to the mix... MFFU (core 12.5K & scale 15K initial live balance), Tradify (top performer bonus payments) & Lucid (50% matching funds every +5K) are the only live programs of any value vs. personal account(s).
  • #2,517
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:08pm Oct 20, 2025 11:08pm
Outrage plenty on Topstep discord over disallowed profits due to project X outage
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  • #2,518
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:09pm Oct 20, 2025 11:09pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Hmmmmm.....I'm short with stops above ATH....In my darwinex so can easily average in and out. I'm probably wrong though When it falls though, it will cascade as it takes out all the stops on the longs. I'm looking for $200 drop.
Yep just giving a long term thing as weekly and monthly is super bullish.......

As always i can be wrong
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  • #2,519
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:12pm Oct 20, 2025 11:12pm
Quoting Doubla
Outrage plenty on Topstep discord over disallowed profits due to project X outage
No such problems with my lucid account
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  • #2,520
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:33pm Oct 20, 2025 11:33pm
Quoting Doubla
{quote} No such problems with my lucid account
WHat Lucid removed my yesterday profits from the dashboard..... I am getting in contact with support
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