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  • #801
  • Oct 20, 2025 5:24am Oct 20, 2025 5:24am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Dear @emmanuel, I'm getting PMs again saying that your posted charts are confusing for interested members and, because the comments aren't based on the GoldenCross calculated values, aren't helpful at all in this thread. I'm glad you found this thread interesting, but your numerous charts are making it difficult to keep track (less is more, as the saying goes). I'm posting here the section of your XAUUSD chart where the entry occurs at the open (like TMS) {image} and the GoldenCross entry, which occurs earlier. The exit is also very clearly...
Dear @SwingMan

This is what I have been waiting for is to get you to comment on my posts. You have been rather quiet lately in your own thread. The interest have also died down after the initial start

At the initial stage when you started I tried to test your indicators but then due to my own trading I did not have time to continue and do testing of your new indicators version.

I have been re-looking at the GoldenCross_Signal latest version v8.3 after you made some updates.

My post #793 was the first post today with my chart and the M5 entry. Now looking at your chart reply, I see the buy stop above the bar.
My entry is late compared to your buy stop entry. Hence the initial stop loss is different and the trade position size based on my EP and SL.
I think I will switch to bar chart for clearer view of the objects created by your indicators.

I have been back-testing for many weeks using your stop orders and the results has not been any better than I use market order entries.
This may have to do with the way you calculate the initial stop loss with the channel oscillator.

post#793 chart
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Thanks for your post and feedback. I will look forward to more discussions with you and help develop this thread in the direction you intended.

best regards,
Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #802
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:14am Oct 20, 2025 7:14am
Quoting emmanuel7788
... I have been back-testing for many weeks using your stop orders and the results has not been any better than I use market order entries. This may have to do with the way you calculate the initial stop loss with the channel oscillator.
Thank you for your comment!

I don't mind if very few members use my indicators or post them in the thread.
There are many of my indicators in many threads in the forum that have been downloaded thousands of times and have received no feedback. Everyone has their own sets of instruments, and what I do isn't always what they need.

In this thread, I only presented two interesting ideas: the GoldenCross and the SmallWick. As you wrote, the results can't be better than many other established trading systems. I haven't done extensive testing, and it would be difficult to do that without an EA.
In the next post, I'll outline how I envision programming the exit in the EA.
  • #803
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:16am Oct 20, 2025 7:16am
XAU Oct 20 London 1pm

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #804
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:20am Oct 20, 2025 7:20am
Exits for the GoldenCross idea.

For long trades:
- The entry value is the forecasted cross plus half-range.
(Please also draw the Upper Trend_v2.2(30) and consider it in the trend analysis.)

- At entry, an initial stop is set equal to the BarRange from the ChannelOsc.
As long as prices rise, the stoploss is increased and is calculated as (new high - BarRange).

- A possible alternative, especially for the SmallWick system, due to the different entry calculation, would be:
When the price reaches half of the HalfRange, set breakeven (20 points) above the entry.

- The general exit is a new high minus 2xBarRange.

- The normal exit is at the close of the bar where a crossover in the opposite direction has occurred.

An exit often occurs before a new trend in the opposite direction is established, which is why I introduced the SmallWick idea. It can also be traded independently.


Here's a little exercise to understand the background:
- Look at Trend_v2.2(30) with the colors blue or red.

Count the green bars in the blue section and the red bars in the red section.
On average, this will be about 2/3 of the total bars.

- The trend sections with crossovers of the open/close 5-averages have between 6-9 bars, and 2/3 are also green/red bars.

- And now, in a section where, for example, 2/3 of the bars are green, count 2/3 of the bars with small wicks in the trend direction (less than half-range).
  • #805
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:36am Oct 20, 2025 7:36am
Quoting SwingMan
Exits for the GoldenCross idea. For long trades: - The entry value is the forecasted cross plus half-range. (Please also draw the Upper Trend_v2.2(30) and consider it in the trend analysis.) - At entry, an initial stop is set equal to the BarRange from the ChannelOsc. As long as prices rise, the stoploss is increased and is calculated as (new high - BarRange). - A possible alternative, especially for the SmallWick system, due to the different entry calculation, would be: When the price reaches half of the HalfRange, set breakeven (20 points) above...

hi @SwingMan

I have this example now.

M5 Inside Bar

If I place a buy-stop above the Inside Bar, is this valid according to your system rules?

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #806
  • Oct 20, 2025 8:55am Oct 20, 2025 8:55am
Quoting emmanuel7788
...hi @SwingMan I have this example now. M5 Inside Bar If I place a buy-stop above the Inside Bar, is this valid according to your system rules? ...
No, it's not valid!

I think I wrote somewhere that I tried to encourage the system user to think as little as possible, avoid any intellectual effort, and just count the steps on the golf course...

There's already a long entry in the lower range at 4257.

The Donchian Channel has rejected further price increases, and from the 6th bar onward, there are already sell opportunities.
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I'm also posting the H4 chart where the last possible trades are visible.

(The EA is under development. Question: Should I keep the buttons for trading?)
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  • #807
  • Oct 20, 2025 9:26am Oct 20, 2025 9:26am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Dear @emmanuel, I'm getting PMs again saying that your posted charts are confusing for interested members and, because the comments aren't based on the GoldenCross calculated values, aren't helpful at all in this thread. I'm glad you found this thread interesting, but your numerous charts are making it difficult to keep track (less is more, as the saying goes). I'm posting here the section of your XAUUSD chart where the entry occurs at the open (like TMS) {image} and the GoldenCross entry, which occurs earlier. The exit is also very clearly...
@George (SwingMan) , @Emmanuel, and Fellow members

First of all, my sincere thanks to George (SwingMan) for stepping in and setting the direction of this thread.

The Golden Cross thread is your creation and your intellectual contribution and all of us who post here should respect that by keeping our charts and discussions aligned with your indicators and your methodology.

I also appreciate Emmanuel’s continued interest and effort. Your experience and testing discipline are valuable, and I believe they can add meaningfully to the discussion as long as they stay within the framework of the Golden Cross Method itself.

Like many traders, I also have an interest in other concepts such as the Alligator, Fractals, and Ichimoku ect but out of respect for George’s work, I choose not to post or discuss any ofthose those topics here so this thread doesn’t lose its focus. Similarly, everyone is free to start a new thread. I genuinely hope that Emmanuel might consider opening a dedicated thread that combines his own preferred methods and insights. That would make it much easier for new members to find all of his valuable information in one place, instead of having to search across multiple threads for scattered posts. (Again its just a suggestion, my wish and as most of the wishes do not come true)

@Emmanuel, you have such a strong following and so much valuable experience. If all of your ideas, insights, and methods were laid out clearly in your own dedicated thread, it would help many traders including new learners like myself to benefit from your structured guidance in one place.
No offence meant, but I must admit I was curious what brought you back to this thread after your post on March 1, 2023, and then again in July 2025 (after about 27 months) Perhaps, like many of us, you still appreciate George’s elegant and effective Golden Cross Method or maybe you’re simply exploring ways to enhance your existing approach beyond the 5-Method, which may not be performing as strongly as it once did in current market conditions.

The Shiny object syndrome inside me also sometimes tempts me to explore new systems and tools, but I keep reminding myself that if the Golden Cross is already performing well, there’s no reason to chase after something else. Consistency and simplicity are often the true keys to progress.

I am learner who try to to learn every day and I respect everyone I have learned from , deep respect to both you George and Emmanuel again.

Let’s all continue to work together, respectfully and constructively to keep this thread educational and true to the Golden Cross spirit that George envisioned.

Best
EN
  • #808
  • Oct 20, 2025 9:40am Oct 20, 2025 9:40am
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} No, it's not valid! I think I wrote somewhere that I tried to encourage the system user to think as little as possible, avoid any intellectual effort, and just count the steps on the golf course... There's already a long entry in the lower range at 4257. The Donchian Channel has rejected further price increases, and from the 6th bar onward, there are already sell opportunities. {image} I'm also posting the H4 chart where the last possible trades are visible. (The EA is under development. Question: Should I keep the buttons for trading?)...
(The EA is under development. Question: Should I keep the buttons for trading?)


A kind & humble request

If possible, please consider releasing the working EA version with the trading buttons enabled, it would be a huge help for testing and learning.

Also, just as you’ve created excellent dashboards for other strategies, it would be truly wonderful if you could (health and time permitting) code a Dashboard version for both the Golden Cross and Small Wick. This would make monitoring multiple pairs so much easier.

George I am not a programmer / coder but always beem inspired by your Dashboards you have coded and released, perhaps you might consider enhancing it into a Dashboard + EA combination that could

  1. Automatically place stop orders;
  2. Cancel pending orders that are not triggered when a new bar forms.

That would really take the strategy to the next level and make life super easy for LAZY tarders / learners like me and for others who depend on your smart tools.

Best
EN

  • #809
  • Oct 20, 2025 10:59am Oct 20, 2025 10:59am
Hello Everyone,

I wasn’t able to contribute anything positive to this wonderful thread yesterday, but I’d like to share an important point today.

It seems that some members may still not be realizing the true importance of the smGoldenCross_Trend_2.2 indicator.

Understanding the comments displayed in the top-left corner of the chart, as well as the logic and interpretation of the values, is absolutely essential to grasp the full power of the Golden Cross Method.

Below is my chart for XAUUSD (H4), along with my manual calculations and understanding.

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Best,
EN
  • #810
  • Oct 20, 2025 11:52am Oct 20, 2025 11:52am
Quoting fream1
Sell setup today on the EUR/CHF pair{image}
TP hit today!
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  • #811
  • Oct 20, 2025 2:48pm Oct 20, 2025 2:48pm
Update on my XAUUSD Trade

Hopefully, price will make a new ATH (All-Time High) before pulling back.

I plan to close the position before I go to sleep. Lets see.

I am feeling so lucky that I have found my method (one of the 3 x Ms) , now it’s all about improving money management and my mind, overcoming the shiny object syndrome.

I keep reminding myself, "If things are working well, EN, why change them?"

To all fellow members , keep going and don’t give up.

Do not switch strategies, do not add, do not delete. Try using it as it is, as its is presented, the simpler the better.

In the beginning, when the concepts are not yet clear, the process can feel confusing. But once you truly understand the core ideas, the results will start to follow naturally.

Take time to study this thread carefully, especially every post by George (SwingMan) starting from Post #1, read them multiple times. Each time you’ll notice something new and valuable whcih will improve yoour overall results.

Just sharing one of my trades for today from one of my live account. I have not used any candle stick pattern etc etc etc etc.
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Thank you, George, for your wisdom and for sharing the Golden Cross method with all of us.

Stay happy healthy and blessed always
EN
  • #812
  • Oct 20, 2025 4:17pm Oct 20, 2025 4:17pm
Where is the latest guidance on how to trade these indicators?
  • #813
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:35pm Oct 20, 2025 7:35pm
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We are here con chf/jpy
  • #814
  • Oct 20, 2025 7:35pm Oct 20, 2025 7:35pm
I start my trading day with the Daily all the time,
just do a quick scan of all trending pairs.

XAU is still the top winner this year

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then look for trade opportunities on M5 which is my favourite timeframe for entries, and I only check once every 4-hours.

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #815
  • Oct 20, 2025 8:17pm Oct 20, 2025 8:17pm
Quoting fream1
{image} We are here con chf/jpy

@fream1

@SwingMan' post #313

I like to see all three charts - Weekly, Daily and H4 in one screen.
This way I can day-trade and scalp in the direction of the dominant trend and maximize profits.


CHFJPY Oct 21

- Weekly is clear
- Daily is also clear
- H4 is choppy ... try pick bottoms ?

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #816
  • Oct 20, 2025 9:22pm Oct 20, 2025 9:22pm
Quoting whiteso
Where is the latest guidance on how to trade these indicators?
@whiteso,

New here !

You will find what you ask for in 185 posts of the OP @SwingMan.

Take your time, read, study and take notes of every post and charts, digest what @SwingMan had written in his posts, be active and participate in trading discussion with charts here. This is a good way forward to catchup with what is latest and to learn when @SwingMan replies your post you will learn more.

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #817
  • Oct 21, 2025 1:30am Oct 21, 2025 1:30am
Quoting emmanuel7788
...You will find what you ask for in 185 posts of the OP @SwingMan.
Hi @emmanuel,

a very interesting statistic! How can I find it if I want to know what I've done?
  • #818
  • Oct 21, 2025 8:00pm Oct 21, 2025 8:00pm
Quoting SwingMan
{quote} Hi @emmanuel, a very interesting statistic! How can I find it if I want to know what I've done?

@SwingMan

You just made your 187 post in your thread.
Traders starting here the first time and want to learn your version of Golden-Cross Trading Idea should read all your posts.

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Has anyone compiled your posts into pdfs readable files?

If there are 50 requests, I can spend 2 hours and do this simple task.

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Honesty is a very expensive gift. You wont find it in cheap people.WBuffett
  • #819
  • Oct 22, 2025 4:05am Oct 22, 2025 4:05am
Always helpful, thanks Emm!
  • #820
  • Oct 22, 2025 6:14am Oct 22, 2025 6:14am
Thanks @emmanuel!

Quoting emmanuel7788
Has anyone compiled your posts into pdfs readable files?...
I think a summary will be made.
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