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  • #41
  • Sep 19, 2025 11:57am Sep 19, 2025 11:57am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thanks for sharing all this but it’s too much information for me and I couldn’t trade like that. Hopefully it’s helpful to some other people here. Personally, I’m looking for a very clear/objektive daily trading plan that I can follow either in a manual or preferable even in more systematic/automated way. I already told that reading charts on my own discretion day in and day out won’t help me much missing 99% of the real important things. I name a few things. - Which markets to trade. Is one enough or does it need several? - How much time...
Like I said 1 in 10,000 will get it, the rest whoosh

You're trying to trade, failing to crack it and even when you are handed a gold plated method to win and make money, you discount it lol

The method is MECHANICAL - yes you use TA - everything apart from when to trade it can be pre-set as per your list, cycles don't appear exactly at 10am or 3pm - they vary, which is the part that you'd need to have an alarm or whatever

The markets aren't doing what your head is telling you they are doing, they are working out to organised systematic movements, that a trader can exploit, but you have to have some sort of system to watch or search for them

I've yet to meet a trader or Investor that has made money by not following trends, because its actually impossible in the traditional sense, but there you go - Its a bit like getting into a car and saying I want to get from here to point B, but I don't believe in road systems or mechanical transportation and expecting to get to point B somehow!

You cannot go to the market and tell the market what you want, when you want and how much, you have to wait until the market gives it to you and that might be anytime during the day/week, month or year - It would be perfect if we said right this month I'll trade xxx stock take 3% out of it and I'll do that between 3-3.15pm on a Friday then stop, markets don't do that, YOU work to the markets, that's when you win

You determine all the answers to those Q's - to suit you

Anyways good luck in your bid to crack it
  • #42
  • Sep 19, 2025 2:48pm Sep 19, 2025 2:48pm
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} Like I said 1 in 10,000 will get it, the rest whoosh You're trying to trade, failing to crack it and even when you are handed a gold plated method to win and make money, you discount it lol The method is MECHANICAL - yes you use TA - everything apart from when to trade it can be pre-set as per your list, cycles don't appear exactly at 10am or 3pm - they vary, which is the part that you'd need to have an alarm or whatever The markets aren't doing what your head is telling you they are doing, they are working out to organised systematic movements,...

Thank you. I’ll try to get my head around it. It’s simply not in the best condition right now. Appreciate your contribution! Have a good weekend!
  • #43
  • Sep 20, 2025 4:10am Sep 20, 2025 4:10am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Thank you. I’ll try to get my head around it. It’s simply not in the best condition right now. Appreciate your contribution! Have a good weekend!
You too, happy to try to help

Yeah you need to have a clear mind to think things through, sometimes you can clear your mind in hours, sometimes it takes a few months off to reset

The markets and this applies to every liquid market - are like atoms zipping around, in the chaos everything looks chaotic and random, but its not, its ordered and structured and when you apply an energy level it zips up a level, then when you take the energy away it decomposes - rallies, corrections, bear markets etc

The problems we have as traders, are and you will most likely find it hard to accept the following:

  1. Price action isn't moving in a 2 dimensional fashion - price and TIME are moving at higher dimensions
  2. We are FORCED to VIEW that price action on a 2 dimensional chart - this is why you get the twists and turns of swings and why sometimes double/triple bottoms just sneak past a prior swing end point or just fall a snippet short
  3. What causes all these twists and turns are the planets - you read that right

But the above when thought about make perfect sense as to why Illogical things happen

So right off the bat, 99% of traders are simply completely at odds against the planets - but you can develop methods to take little snippets of price action and that is how you win, by working out the occurrence %'s and skewing the maths to YOUR advantage

Ever wonder why things of the past few years are getting a little odd and extreme? A key planet is coming back around to where it was in the 1930's and that is why all the war is happening - We do not live in a free world as we have been led to believe

It is 100% NOT possible to be able to time or trade every market swing out there - it is Impossible, so your system HAS to work on the aspects of probability


I know I've made bold claims about the planets - and it took me years to get my head around it

The date of the following screenshots are in YELLOW BOX before the predictions
Aug 18th 2015 - SP500 go look what happened to the DAY!!!!!!!!

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Think the covid crash was out of the blue - I had that date on my charts 3 years before it happened!


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Think COVID itself was out of the blue?

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This chart shows GEOMETRY LEVELS AND PLANETARY TIMING - when the 2 connect exactly, you get reversals

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There is a GAME being played against you all, that you have absolutely no control over and it is not in your favour, which is why bright Intelligent people get beat up by the markets - BUT it can be reversed!

You do not need to know anything about the planets to win - you just have to align yourself to trade in the direction of the trend and you will crack it

Markets move in cycles, sometimes they are visible, sometimes they aren't, but they will ALWAYS move in up and down swings and if you develop methods that EXPLOIT those swings, you will win

Anyone reading this and thinking, planets, what a load of rubbish, you are sleep walking through your experience of life - As humans we can only view a tiny aspect of the light spectrum, yet other light frequencies exist - Infra red etc

EVERYTHING about this world vibrates and when something vibrates it gives off wave-lengths and waves are CYCLES - with that Information we can find those key cycles and use them to our advantage in the markets

Which I showed in the post on cycles

The USA STOCK MARKETS TOP OUT and crash into a severe BEAR market in 2034, up until then, the trend is UPWARDS - there is a period of concern for the next few years, which will include the USA getting involved in direct military WAR, then once its settled, it is upwards, pause in 2030, then up, pause in 2032, then up into 2034 - then be prepared
  • #44
  • Sep 20, 2025 4:35am Sep 20, 2025 4:35am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} You too, happy to try to help Yeah you need to have a clear mind to think things through, sometimes you can clear your mind in hours, sometimes it takes a few months off to reset The markets and this applies to every liquid market - are like atoms zipping around, in the chaos everything looks chaotic and random, but its not, its ordered and structured and when you apply an energy level it zips up a level, then when you take the energy away it decomposes - rallies, corrections, bear markets etc The problems we have as traders, are and you...
This all sounds a lot like astrology to me. Unfortunately, I can't really relate to that at the moment. I started this topic to find fairly clear help on how to achieve a specific return target within a specific time frame, with a specific maximum risk and capital investment, using a strategy that's as simple, objective, and repeatable as possible.

I'm so fed up with information overload that I don't think more unproven information that doesn't demonstrably lead to the clear goal I'm pursuing will really help me. I'll describe my requirements and goals again later, as clearly as possible.

If I haven't made any progress toward that goal by the end of the year, I'll probably finally abandon my idea of making a living from trading and try to move forward with self-employment or a permanent job.
  • #45
  • Sep 20, 2025 5:40am Sep 20, 2025 5:40am
What do guys think about this? Personally I don’t have any experience with options. However, this probably requires far more capital in a personal trading account in order to effectively generate a certain minimum cashflow of, say, $5k month after month with low/moderate risk.

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  • #46
  • Sep 20, 2025 6:09am Sep 20, 2025 6:09am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} This all sounds a lot like astrology to me. Unfortunately, I can't really relate to that at the moment. I started this topic to find fairly clear help on how to achieve a specific return target within a specific time frame, with a specific maximum risk and capital investment, using a strategy that's as simple, objective, and repeatable as possible. I'm so fed up with information overload that I don't think more unproven information that doesn't demonstrably lead to the clear goal I'm pursuing will really help me. I'll describe my requirements...
Not Astrology - Astro - Astrology makes you guess and force an Interpretation and like economists, if we asked 10 Astrologists for predictions, we'd get 15 different predictions - We don't guess in the markets, we want hard facts - I've personally back tested that back to when the Dow started trading in May 1792

Anyway, you don't need to know that, I was just showing you that you are up against hidden forces that are doing something of their own will which if traders are out of sync with, they're [the traders] are going to struggle

This game is not fair, the odds are stacked against you, but, If I can make a living from the markets, using basic trading techniques, ANYONE can - unless you're looking for something that doesn't exist, then you will hit brick wall after brick wall
  • #47
  • Edited 9:03am Sep 20, 2025 8:38am | Edited 9:03am
Quoting Thtpro
{quote} Not Astrology - Astro - Astrology makes you guess and force an Interpretation and like economists, if we asked 10 Astrologists for predictions, we'd get 15 different predictions - We don't guess in the markets, we want hard facts - I've personally back tested that back to when the Dow started trading in May 1792 Anyway, you don't need to know that, I was just showing you that you are up against hidden forces that are doing something of their own will which if traders are out of sync with, they're [the traders] are going to struggle This...
Yes, I'm aware that I can't control the market and that it's very unpredictable and full of randomness. Therefore, I'm not a fan of technical analysis and looking at charts. I can't imagine anything more boring, so I need something that simply works—a clear system based on mathematical probabilities/statistics that, for example, if I execute X orders every day, this will lead to X minimum result over 20 days at the end of the month (where I need to pay for my living expenses), and doesn't require my subjective daily opinion/prediction. If something like this doesn’t exit / isn’t possible i respect that, however so far also nobody proved me wrong that something like this IS NOT possible to find/have.

And i don’t mean a „holy grail“ aka I win on every order or whatever crap. I mean something very mechanical/objective where i execute maybe 20 orders a month and 12 are lost, I still end up at my desired min. percentage return / dollar amount having risked x on each of these orders.

I also don’t want to grow my account for the long-term. I need to generate a steady cashflow on a monthly or least quarterly base to support my life otherwise I might be better off with investing in some ETF and wait for the next 30 years. The problem with that is, I will be 70 years old then and still didn’t make a cent in the meantime that will be enough to support my life.
  • #49
  • Sep 20, 2025 11:29am Sep 20, 2025 11:29am
Quoting Rmg
The other solutions are.. 1. Get a job. If not feel like working 2. Selling drugs, or sex easy and quick money. 3. Rob a bank To end all this misery. 4. Just die. Sorry but truth to be told .
I don't feel like arguing with you. If you have nothing constructive to contribute, please bother someone else.

If you’re trading for a living please feel free to post your transparent track record for the last 12 months and enlighten us. If you can’t - just stfu! Thank you.
  • #51
  • Sep 20, 2025 12:01pm Sep 20, 2025 12:01pm
Quoting Rmg
{quote} Didn't expect anything less than this sort of. Has some time to waste anyway. Keep looking for 12 months of track record. You will end up with scammers. Now I STF.
What did you expect? You're obviously just trying to annoy/polarize, or what was the point of that childish remark "Or just die"? If you had taken the time to follow all my posts, you would know that I already have a job and that I'm trying to replace that income with income from trading. So I'm looking for constructive ideas that will enable me to achieve this or to hear from people who have proven to be able to do so and can put their money where their mouth is. What I'm not looking for is arguing with clowns who are just bored of have some kind of attention deficit disorder / ego problems.
  • #52
  • Sep 20, 2025 12:31pm Sep 20, 2025 12:31pm
Trading for a living is easy in my country here Nigeria, you need to make $400 monthly to make a good living..... that's more than salary of professor and medical doctor.....
  • #53
  • Edited 2:12pm Sep 20, 2025 12:49pm | Edited 2:12pm
Quoting Ibraheem
Trading for a living is easy in my country here Nigeria, you need to make $400 monthly to make a good living..... that's more than salary of professor and medical doctor.....
If you can consistently make $400 a month you shoud be able to make $4k, $40k or even $400k because you would then essentially only need to scale up your profitability through position sizing and having more capital in your account.

$400 will get you nowhere in my country to make a living as a self-employed trader.

PS. Please tell the Nigerian Prince to stop sending me emails.
  • #55
  • Edited 2:07pm Sep 20, 2025 1:38pm | Edited 2:07pm
Quoting Rmg
{quote} You have given enough advice from the people who are already profitable for years. That clown part is true that I knew I am walking into shit but still does it anyway. I am busy working now can't bother responding to you any longer. Thanks for the entertaining .
You mean all the so called professional traders doing this for a living but can’t even show you 1 month of profitability where they followed a specific strategy using their own rules and sticked to it? Yes, thanks for the entertainment too…
  • #56
  • Edited 2:56pm Sep 20, 2025 2:41pm | Edited 2:56pm
Hi Noisy,

Just wanted to share some thoughts as I really sympathise with your struggles. It took me close to a decade before I found consistency. On one hand, it’s a little embarrassing to admit how long it took, but on the other, I’m proud I stuck with it - because I now trade full-time and manage multiple funded accounts.

Respectfully, I’m not going to share my exact system - it’s something I’ve built from the ground up over many years of trial and error, and it wouldn’t feel right to simply hand it over. I hope that makes sense. What I can share though are a few principles that helped me turn the corner, which will hopefully offer some value. I’m also happy to expand on these points and discuss them further if you’d like.

  1. Find a style that suits your personality. For example, not everyone is suited for swing trading and sitting on positions for days or weeks - if you’re naturally impatient (like me), forcing yourself into that mold will only cause frustration. For me, I eventually realised I needed structure: a fixed trading window (2-3 hours), taking 1–4 clean opportunities a day, and then walking away. Once I aligned my approach with how I’m actually wired, progress came much faster.

  1. Study the auction process and how markets actually distribute. The basics of Market Auction Theory, especially when viewed through TPO/Market Profile charts, can completely change how you see structure. Concepts like the Point of Control (POC) and Value Areas show you where the market has done business and where it hasn’t - almost like a map of balance versus imbalance. Once you start viewing price action in that context, you can build an almost mechanical framework around it instead of chasing random setups.

  1. Keep it contained. I only trade around 2.5 hours a day, with a strict daily cap of 2 losses. That’s kept me from digging holes.

  1. Aim for the low-hanging fruit. I’m not trying to predict where Gold will be next month - I’m focused on the next clean setup that offers a straightforward target. More often than not, I’m just taking 1R off the table. Think of the simple u- or n-shaped intraday moves: they’re high-probability, repeatable targets that keep your win rate steady. It’s less about catching the “big one” and more about stacking consistent, reliable outcomes.

  1. Frameworks help. Understanding things like the Initial Balance, or how different sessions interact, gave me a foundation to lean on instead of random entries. I’ll give you a little of my secret sauce here: the Initial Balance can actually be treated in a similar way to a TPO chart - it defines early value, shows you where the market accepted price, and often sets the stage for the day’s main opportunities. Even without going too deep, just observing how price behaves around the IB high/low can bring a lot of structure to your trading.

The main thing is - you’re not alone in how long it’s taking. Many traders underestimate how much time and iteration is required before things click. Keep refining, keep notes, and don’t feel like years of effort have been wasted. They’re the reason you’ll eventually “see it” clearly.

One final note: a game changer for me was setting up a proper journal using 'Notion'. It’s free, and if you use TradingView for charting, you can easily add screenshots for each trade. Looking back at your wins and losses this way makes it much easier to spot recurring patterns and refine your approach.

Wishing you all the best in your journey.

  • #57
  • Edited 3:17pm Sep 20, 2025 2:59pm | Edited 3:17pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} If you can consistently make $400 a month you shoud be able to make $4k, $40k or even $400k because you would then essentially only need to scale up your profitability through position sizing and having more capital in your account. $400 will get you nowhere in my country to make a living as a self-employed trader. PS. Please tell the Nigerian Prince to stop sending me emails.
Hi NoisyBoy, in all seriousness i think i maybe able to help you out.

So, is it something purely mechanical you need..... ie buy or sell at x, stop at y, take profit at z ??

if its something like this you are after dm me and i will point you in the right direction.... I cant post it here as itsa paid subscription. PS i am not an affiliate in anyway shape or form and i dont use the service but i know it has very very good results and would probably suit you. Its just set and fucking4get, then get on with your day


if you want it i will forward it to you tomorrow as im about to go out
  • #58
  • Sep 20, 2025 3:11pm Sep 20, 2025 3:11pm
Quoting daviejwg8
Hi Noisy, Just wanted to share some thoughts as I really sympathise with your struggles. It took me close to a decade before I found consistency. On one hand, it’s a little embarrassing to admit how long it took, but on the other, I’m proud I stuck with it - because I now trade full-time and manage multiple funded accounts. Respectfully, I’m not going to share my exact system—it’s something I’ve built from the ground up over many years of trial and error, and it wouldn’t feel right to simply hand it over. I hope that makes sense. What I can share...
Hi,

Thank you so much for this fantastic post You’ve saved my day. It gives me hope that there are still some people here who know what they're talking about. I'll comment on some of your points in more detail tomorrow, as it's already late here and I've already opened a bottle of wine.

What you describe and say resonates with me. Regarding the initial balance. This is a concept/approach that I've been pursuing intensively for the past few years (more known to me as the Opening Range), but so far I haven't been able to implement it with the desired consistent profitability.

I don't see myself as a long-term swing trader, but I also don't see myself as a hardcore-scalper who wants to sit in front of a screen all day and micro-manage dozens of orders. The latter isn't sustainable for me and is more of a form of occupational therapy. I'm somewhere in between. I would also appreciate having a clearly defined time period per day where I would be active and execute a maximum number of trades.

So far / I wish you all the best too.
  • #59
  • Sep 20, 2025 3:25pm Sep 20, 2025 3:25pm
Quoting Noisy
{quote} Hi, Thank you so much for this fantastic post You’ve saved my day. It gives me hope that there are still some people here who know what they're talking about. I'll comment on some of your points in more detail tomorrow, as it's already late here and I've already opened a bottle of wine. What you describe and say resonates with me. Regarding the initial balance. This is a concept/approach that I've been pursuing intensively for the past few years (more known to me as the Opening Range), but so far I haven't been able to implement it with...
(more known to me as the Opening Range)

this wont suit you
  • #60
  • Sep 20, 2025 4:01pm Sep 20, 2025 4:01pm
Quoting T721
{quote} (more known to me as the Opening Range) this wont suit you
I'm always surprised by you, Terry, how you want to know that it won’t suit me?

Are you still doing the ex-dividend gap thing? As far as I remember, you couldn't tell me how you managed your risk with it except for a few crude statements like "if the price falls even further, I'll buy some more." Nor could you tell me how to average a certain minimum return with it in the timeframe I‘m looking for.

A high win rate alone is meaningless to me if the potential risk is simply too high and 1-2 losses could wipe out all my profits made.

I like DMA, Martingale, or what was described as "hedging" in one of the threads you anticipated even less.

The opening range breakout approach seems to me to be the most understandable and systematic/objective approach out there, as it at least provides a clear time of day to which one could focus on.
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