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  • #1,281
  • Sep 6, 2025 8:47am Sep 6, 2025 8:47am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} only reason i havenot done youtube yet is my physical job… and all the views are there in ny session and i cant stream at time as i have meeting n stuff… in asia nobody gonna watch….. maybe when i do full time trading then i’ll start streaming … for simp gang i have attractive gf’s to get the audience everyone teaching on youtube focus on one account or rotate accounts n blah blah… i can show people instead of rotating go for max accounts always and even if you get a payout in 2-3 rd try...
no prop would work with you together when you teach how you win with a prop!!! they only work with you together when you teach how to lose (of course you can name if that you win or fake whatever you want), or the prop would lose - do you think Patrick has cooperation because he creates winners - the only chance he has a good cooperation's is when he creates losers (send losers to the props) so the prop company wins by this and can give a profit split to him from this! logic thinking is important - they would never work together with him if he teaches how to win and send winners to them!
  • #1,282
  • Sep 6, 2025 11:25am Sep 6, 2025 11:25am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} no prop would work with you together when you teach how you win with a prop!!! they only work with you together when you teach how to lose (of course you can name if that you win or fake whatever you want), or the prop would lose - do you think Patrick has cooperation because he creates winners - the only chance he has a good cooperation's is when he creates losers (send losers to the props) so the prop company wins by this and can give a profit split to him from this! logic thinking is important - they would never work together with him...
To you points, as a rule I do not 'follow' traders, never copy trade or use other people's systems. I do enjoy some content like Orderbloque on YT (but I don't subscribe to anyone on there, nor use any other social media). I find it stilts my analysis and the whole point of trading is to refine my own system(s). I also find it hilarious that a lot of people make more money from ad revenue and subscriptions than they do from actual trading. That is quite telling. Those that can't, teach.

Respectfully though, I do not agree that a legitimate prop firm wants to make the bulk of their money from signups alone. that is from 'losers' as you stated. The fees are relatively low, and many have no time limits. So they are paying platform fees and for data with no upside unless said trader passes the challenge and they can replicate trades en vivo on la larger scale, and on a smaller prop account the upfront sign up would only cover the operational costs plus a small margin. They'd make far more by following their business model as stated. However I am aware of some ethical funds exiting this space due to shenanigans, so I'm sure what you are saying does happen from time to time. Caveat emptor, YMMV, etc. etc.
"Wisdom is proved righteous by its works"
  • #1,283
  • Sep 6, 2025 1:45pm Sep 6, 2025 1:45pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} only reason i havenot done youtube yet is my physical job… and all the views are there in ny session and i cant stream at time as i have meeting n stuff… in asia nobody gonna watch….. maybe when i do full time trading then i’ll start streaming … for simp gang i have attractive gf’s to get the audience everyone teaching on youtube focus on one account or rotate accounts n blah blah… i can show people instead of rotating go for max accounts always and even if you get a payout in 2-3 rd try...
The space seems saturated but maybe not if you bring something exciting and unique for the youngsters who are probably the least discerning in terms of target audience that converts into Prop $. I have watched PW and lasted 20 minutes, the noise and general level of hysteria going on was too much for me but I can see why he would be a good investment from the prop firm perspective. Good luck with the plan Monty.
  • #1,284
  • Sep 6, 2025 11:12pm Sep 6, 2025 11:12pm
Anything better than a 20% discount code for funding ticks? That's I'm seeing on the website.
  • #1,285
  • Sep 7, 2025 4:46am Sep 7, 2025 4:46am
Quoting Satreveritas
{quote} To you points, as a rule I do not 'follow' traders, never copy trade or use other people's systems. I do enjoy some content like Orderbloque on YT (but I don't subscribe to anyone on there, nor use any other social media). I find it stilts my analysis and the whole point of trading is to refine my own system(s). I also find it hilarious that a lot of people make more money from ad revenue and subscriptions than they do from actual trading. That is quite telling. Those that can't, teach. Respectfully though, I do not agree that a legitimate...
in this case i spoke about prop firms that dont copy trades (what is biggest amount of this prop, whatever they say!)... so they will only earn from losing traders. So they only work together with people who teach losing, guide people for bad strategies , teach gambling, fake a lot so they look like good traders but are opposite (so fakers and liars are best to work together)..... all you need to do is avoid someone who brings you winners because he teaches good trading, good strategy, goods methods - that would never create any win for the prop company (in fact creates big losses ! or at least bad publicity when you cheat them for the money by say they broke some rules never was there or something else ) so you cant pay this affiliate person any money for this. So for anyone connected as influencer to such firms, this person need to be a bad trader or liar and faker, that is the base rule you cant break to earn affiliate money from a Company living from loser and get destroyed by bring to many winners. so never think great about this persons connected, because they cant be great in any kind - they only want to look to be great (but it is enough for our times, enough people believe what people say, not what is reality or simple rules by math).
  • #1,286
  • Sep 7, 2025 7:55am Sep 7, 2025 7:55am
Hello,
I have a funded account in instant funding..
I am always facing difficulties with on-demand payout..
My strategy work 3rd time on average (a 1:5 TP after 2 SL)
So this disturbs the profitable day scenario..
How to cater this?
  • #1,287
  • Sep 7, 2025 12:28pm Sep 7, 2025 12:28pm
This discussion is fairly interesting compared to the usual suspects this guy chats to. It is with 5% ers CEO and not the normal zero to a gazillionaire in a month clown.
Some talk around regulation and risk models too.
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  • #1,288
  • Sep 7, 2025 12:58pm Sep 7, 2025 12:58pm
Found this PF by chance and am surprised at how refreshingly different they are from the usual suspects. Understandably a little more expensive. Disclaimer: I have no experience nor am I affiliated with them in any way.
Does anyone trade with them?
Return To Disorder
  • #1,289
  • Sep 7, 2025 1:07pm Sep 7, 2025 1:07pm
Quoting rockit
Found this PF by chance and am surprised at how refreshingly different they are from the usual suspects. Understandably a little more expensive. Disclaimer: I have no experience nor am I affiliated with them in any way. Does anyone trade with them?
They have 50.000 traders and only have lower than 5M page rank? It should not be real.
  • #1,290
  • Sep 7, 2025 1:09pm Sep 7, 2025 1:09pm
Quoting rockit
Found this PF by chance and am surprised at how refreshingly different they are from the usual suspects. Understandably a little more expensive. Disclaimer: I have no experience nor am I affiliated with them in any way. Does anyone trade with them?
they have seasonal denials like alpha capital its not good firm.
  • #1,291
  • Sep 7, 2025 9:28pm Sep 7, 2025 9:28pm
Quoting coastie0194
Anything better than a 20% discount code for funding ticks? That's I'm seeing on the website.
If not in hurry then wait they should run some quick promo's soon... thats the trend........ its like cool down period.......
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,292
  • Sep 7, 2025 9:32pm Sep 7, 2025 9:32pm
Quoting FX-DON
This discussion is fairly interesting compared to the usual suspects this guy chats to. It is with 5% ers CEO and not the normal zero to a gazillionaire in a month clown. Some talk around regulation and risk models too. https://youtu.be/dFZgmVGUmlM?si=6Q9lZ8CAm_xYLUn8
The title is quite a thing - Scalpers lose most accounts.....

Why not they give the whole context - 95% of traders fail no matter scalper, day or swing....
When it comes to props - this number is more higher for the traders who reach payout..... Also most of the props traders are mostly gamblers looking for get rich quick using imaginary maths....

99% of traders who got massive payouts from Apex are scalpers....

Just because you don't give up doesn't mean you will make it.
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,293
  • Sep 7, 2025 9:41pm Sep 7, 2025 9:41pm
Quoting rockit
Found this PF by chance and am surprised at how refreshingly different they are from the usual suspects. Understandably a little more expensive. Disclaimer: I have no experience nor am I affiliated with them in any way. Does anyone trade with them?
No, but I accidentally came across a grievance about a payout on Twitter while surfing yesterday.
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #1,294
  • Sep 7, 2025 9:51pm Sep 7, 2025 9:51pm
Quoting FX-DON
This discussion is fairly interesting compared to the usual suspects this guy chats to. It is with 5% ers CEO and not the normal zero to a gazillionaire in a month clown. Some talk around regulation and risk models too. https://youtu.be/dFZgmVGUmlM?si=6Q9lZ8CAm_xYLUn8
They suck. They are quite restrictive. FTMO is a much superior prop firm.

What is the stop-loss rule for The5ers?
A stop-loss is mandatory for all positions and orders and must be set within 3 minutes of placement. Stop-loss (SL) is required for all positions and orders. SL must not risk more than 2% of the account balance per position. 3% daily pause ("soft breach") applies during the funded stage.
  • #1,295
  • Edited 10:13pm Sep 7, 2025 9:55pm | Edited 10:13pm
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} The title is quite a thing - Scalpers lose most accounts..... Why not they give the whole context - 95% of traders fail no matter scalper, day or swing.... When it comes to props - this number is more higher for the traders who reach payout..... Also most of the props traders are mostly gamblers looking for get rich quick using imaginary maths.... 99% of traders who got massive payouts from Apex are scalpers.... Just because you don't give up doesn't mean you will make it.
plus a CEO of a company winning from losers will maybe have an interest to be not very honest to speak about what strategy bring them most loss and most wins.
  • #1,296
  • Sep 8, 2025 12:11am Sep 8, 2025 12:11am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} They suck. They are quite restrictive. FTMO is a much superior prop firm. What is the stop-loss rule for The5ers? A stop-loss is mandatory for all positions and orders and must be set within 3 minutes of placement. Stop-loss (SL) is required for all positions and orders. SL must not risk more than 2% of the account balance per position. 3% daily pause ("soft breach") applies during the funded stage.
I don't protect or care about 5ers. But stoploss is a bad thing ?
You trade without it ? We all trade differently my stop and target
goes in same time with entry.
I might be wrong , I have been wrong before
  • #1,297
  • Sep 8, 2025 12:35am Sep 8, 2025 12:35am
Quoting Mandariin
{quote} I don't protect or care about 5ers. But stoploss is a bad thing ? You trade without it ? We all trade differently my stop and target goes in same time with entry.
Yes I trade without SL and soon I will be trading an FTMO account.
I asked FTMO about having to use SL. They said they don't interfere in their traders trading style.
That means the 5ers have decided to interfere in their traders trading style. Why would I choose 5ers over FTMO?
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That screenshot says it all.
That's quality right there.
Now I know why they don't give discounts and other silly promotions.
  • #1,298
  • Sep 8, 2025 12:56am Sep 8, 2025 12:56am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} They suck. They are quite restrictive. FTMO is a much superior prop firm. What is the stop-loss rule for The5ers? A stop-loss is mandatory for all positions and orders and must be set within 3 minutes of placement. Stop-loss (SL) is required for all positions and orders. SL must not risk more than 2% of the account balance per position. 3% daily pause ("soft breach") applies during the funded stage.
The stop loss rule is only for the bootcamp program. Normal 2-step (High Stakes) and 1-step (Hyper Growth) doesn't require it.

FTMO will also flag if you consistently risk more (as will the5ers). This is FTMO's email to me:
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Based on experience, risking between 0,5% and 1% per any trade idea is perceived as safe risk management and we recommend that you adopt this notion to your trading on all your accounts, regardless of the stage.

The risk of every trade idea is calculated based on the stop loss set or the maximum drawdown of the position(s). Please note that a trade idea is defined as the cumulative exposure of a specific symbol (or correlated symbol) on your account at a given moment or a specific timespan. Needless to say, splitting a bigger position into smaller...

Basically, they're asking me to restrict my risk (that would be setting a SL) so that no more than 1% is risked between correlated symbols. Granted, I was doing risky trading (which I have acknowledged in the old thread when I received the email) by doubling down near my daily loss limit, and when it reversed immediately I ended up with a pretty healthy profit.

Personally, I prefer the5ers, and I don't think FTMO are superior in anyway. the5ers have faster payouts, cheaper evaluations, easier passing rules, and better spreads for most majors. FTMO has better spreads for gold and indices.
  • #1,299
  • Sep 8, 2025 1:05am Sep 8, 2025 1:05am
Quoting maltrader
{quote} The stop loss rule is only for the bootcamp program. Normal 2-step (High Stakes) and 1-step (Hyper Growth) doesn't require it. FTMO will also flag if you consistently risk more (as will the5ers). This is FTMO's email to me: {quote} Basically, they're asking me to restrict my risk (that would be setting a SL) so that no more than 1% is risked between correlated symbols. Granted, I was doing risky trading (which I have acknowledged in the old thread when I received the email) by doubling down near my daily loss limit, and when it reversed...
I see. Thanks.
I donno, one one hand they say your trading style is up to you and on the other hand they closely monitor your trading style and send you emails like you posted,
Navk is right...why bother with these props?
Axi Select is then the gold standard of all. No interference or nasty emails from them no matter what I do as long as I don't breach the 10% DD
Maybe I should scrap FTMO from my plans.
  • #1,300
  • Sep 8, 2025 1:08am Sep 8, 2025 1:08am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} The title is quite a thing - Scalpers lose most accounts..... Why not they give the whole context - 95% of traders fail no matter scalper, day or swing.... When it comes to props - this number is more higher for the traders who reach payout..... Also most of the props traders are mostly gamblers looking for get rich quick using imaginary maths.... 99% of traders who got massive payouts from Apex are scalpers.... Just because you don't give up doesn't mean you will make it.
Yes agreed. I have heard this same mantra for so long and then the CEO says he is scalper. I never listen to all the stats BS, always thought of it as poison chalice that plants a subliminal seed. I'm not sure but I never hear about the amount that try but fail to make it as a neuro surgeon. For me what was more interesting, that this guy and possibly others with the top market share are actively pushing for this particular sector to be regulated. Again is it for our benefit or to narrow the field of options available to us? He said they don't share information with other props and they don't look at individual traders but adamant they have a method to root out anyone gaming between firms to ensure they don't get to funded. I think perhaps there was some bluffing going on as some of that particular bleed hurts them but they finding it difficult to control. However saying they can out loud may prevent more if he gets his face and message in front of enough of these BS influencer interviewing hosts.
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