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  • #761
  • Aug 15, 2025 7:47am Aug 15, 2025 7:47am
Quoting OutThere
People who claim they make big size trade have the vankiepsauff syndrome. Funny no one asks them to post a TE and no one starts a new thread to get away from them.
Well, he is not posting daily results and claiming it is a "growth account" but refusing to show anything beyond current day.
Nor is he claiming to turn 1k into 16K in 4 months.
But I do get it, a lot of his posts seem almost belittling,as if we are all small time and rookies and he trades million dollar account.......with no proof.
Shall we challenge him to a trading contest?
  • #762
  • Aug 15, 2025 7:49am Aug 15, 2025 7:49am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} For full transparency, it works both ways..... signal account {image} actual Darwinex {image}
Oh ya that is so natural to trading. Big underlying account gains show small in Darwinex and vise versa. Such an attractive trait of Darwinex.
  • #763
  • Aug 15, 2025 7:50am Aug 15, 2025 7:50am
Quoting OutThere
Just for reference, this is how I am doing in one of my accounts both underlying and the Darwinex interpretation of it. {image}This is the underlying account. Trading relatively steady. One DD of less that 5% for a short time in 8 months. 20% gain in 8 months. {image} This is how Darwinex thinks my equity chart should look like. {image} This is the monthly gains and losses in my account according to Darwinex. So, 20% in the underlying equals 6.2% in Darwinex. This gives me a rating of 51.33 and makes me #5,078 out of 8,555 participants. How do you...
The way the Risk Engine affects your outcome isn’t so easy to understand. I’ve read through all the docs and watched some videos provided by Darwinex, explaining the calculations and formulas behind it but it’s still rather unclear to me.

The main factors seem to be leverage, underlying volatility, time of the day, duration of your orders.

How you control risk in your signal account in particularly if using a percentage based risk calculations in relevance to your account‘s balance and stop loss distances doesn’t seem to play any role at all.
  • #764
  • Aug 15, 2025 7:54am Aug 15, 2025 7:54am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Well, he is not posting daily results and claiming it is a "growth account" but refusing to show anything beyond current day. Nor is he claiming to turn 1k into 16K in 4 months. But I do get it, a lot of his posts seem almost belittling,as if we are all small time and rookies and he trades million dollar account.......with no proof. Shall we challenge him to a trading contest?
Lol so true about this guy. He has been trading for 20 years, long and deep. I've been in it for 42 years and I don't throw it around...except I just did
Umm. No I'm behind you in our challenge, so you go ahead with challenging him if you want. Lol
  • #765
  • Aug 15, 2025 7:55am Aug 15, 2025 7:55am
Quoting OutThere
{quote} Oh ya that is so natural to trading. Big underlying account gains show small in Darwinex and vise versa. Such an attractive trait of Darwinex.
it's all about the Var, keep it steady and under 6.5% and the risk engine will not hurt you.

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  • #766
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:04am Aug 15, 2025 8:04am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} The way the Risk Engine affects your outcome isn’t so easy to understand. I’ve read through all the docs and watched some videos provided by Darwinex, explaining the calculations and formulas behind it but it’s still rather unclear to me. The main factors seem to be leverage, underlying volatility, time of the day, duration of your orders. How you control risk in your signal account in particularly if using a percentage based risk calculations in relevance to your account‘s balance and stop loss distances doesn’t seem to play any role at...
That is correct, risk in terms of stop loss is irrelevant....it is indeed volitility of the asset, exposure (size) and duration.
I DCA on my swing account often, so my actual TRADES are small and will make up a bigger POSITION, so my scaling in/out is already figured in to my max exposure.
On my day trading futures account, it's 2 MINIS on ES and YM, 1 mini on NQ and GC, if I add, it will have a tight leash on the addition.....futures is a 1 million signal account, so this is tiny in relation, but generates an average of 0.1-0.13% per day....2-2.5% monthly.
  • #767
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:13am Aug 15, 2025 8:13am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} The way the Risk Engine affects your outcome isn’t so easy to understand. I’ve read through all the docs and watched some videos provided by Darwinex, explaining the calculations and formulas behind it but it’s still rather unclear to me. The main factors seem to be leverage, underlying volatility, time of the day, duration of your orders. How you control risk in your signal account in particularly if using a percentage based risk calculations in relevance to your account‘s balance and stop loss distances doesn’t seem to play any role at...
Don't even start me on that stuff. Lol
A few weeks back when you were looking to join dz, I wrote a long description of how things are in response. I deleted it shortly after cause I am a participant in dz and didn't want to diss them too much. Now you see for yourself. I quite enjoy your critical thinking approach to them. Most traders who are in your position right now don't dare say anything out of fear of being told it is their fault for not understanding things. Darwinex's approach is the same. It's always your problem that you don't understand. They are quite arrogant about it .
Anyways keep asking questions and criticize them all you want. It is about time they hear a thing or two negative about themselves.
  • #768
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:18am Aug 15, 2025 8:18am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} it's all about the Var, keep it steady and under 6.5% and the risk engine will not hurt you. {image}
No it's not about var. I have accounts with 3 to 5% var with under .50 multiplier that stay under for months with no improvements.
  • #769
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:24am Aug 15, 2025 8:24am
Here you go pip. This is from the same account I posted the charts from.
After my brief less than 5% dd in the underlying, Darwinex soured on me and never recovered.
Do you call this fair treatment?
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  • #770
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:35am Aug 15, 2025 8:35am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Well, he is not posting daily results and claiming it is a "growth account" but refusing to show anything beyond current day. Nor is he claiming to turn 1k into 16K in 4 months. But I do get it, a lot of his posts seem almost belittling,as if we are all small time and rookies and he trades million dollar account.......with no proof. Shall we challenge him to a trading contest?
ah come on.
i invest time to help .. and then this.

lets be realistic.... i know some texts are not possible to understand if you are not at a higher experience level sometimes or have already see it in practice (if you cant learn from secondar information's) ... but i cant always split it and write many texts for each level. if you dont know about different fill types (that even this is a part in a trading plan) and so on... all fine.....you can ignore this text... i only know it gets important for you when you get to higher AUM (if you believe it or not, different topic).

what would it bring when i prove you my wins .... what exactly? i dont sell something and i dont let other copy my trades or i dont speak about my trades - sometimes i dont know if it is worth to help people or not.

and i never belittling anyone. when i speak about small accounts i speak in the context of something... like small for get full fills for any strategy, small to live from it,..........

would my words be more worth when i would be famous and well known in trading industry and you would know this fact? or would it be more worth when the facts are correct?
  • #771
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:56am Aug 15, 2025 8:56am
Quoting maltrader
{quote} One card was pretty fast, while the other took a week or so. Someone here said they're reverting so that we can't do a chargeback.
Received payout after 3 days....

DONE WITH FUTURESELITE - BLOWN ALL ACCOUNTS ......


Instead Purchased - 50kx6. - Fundingticks, 50x5 myfundedfutures SCale and 25kx5 - Futuresnext with the payout....
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #772
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:56am Aug 15, 2025 8:56am
Quoting Trader191
{quote} ah come on. i invest time to help .. and then this. lets be realistic.... i know some texts are not possible to understand if you are not at a higher experience level sometimes or have already see it in practice (if you cant learn from secondar information's) ... but i cant always split it and write many texts for each level. if you dont know about different fill types (that even this is a part in a trading plan) and so on... all fine.....you can ignore this text... i only know it gets important for you when you get to higher AUM (if you...
OK. Fair enough.
However, in darwinex, my size that I trade WILL NEVER change on my signal account, actually one of things I love about it.......I believe they are somehow responsible for the fills on the back end.
If they need me to do something differently as far as chopping up a trade, once again, I believe that execution is on them.
With a Darwinex classic, it may be different.
  • #773
  • Aug 15, 2025 8:57am Aug 15, 2025 8:57am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Received payout after 3 days.... DONE WITH FUTURESELITE - BLOWN ALL ACCOUNTS ...... Instead Purchased - 50kx6. - Fundingticks, 50x5 myfundedfutures SCale and 25kx5 - Futuresnext with the payout....
Oh, Monty, Monty, Monty....why Funding Ticks and why Futures next?
Are you maxed with Tradeify, Topstep and Take Profit?
  • #774
  • Aug 15, 2025 9:17am Aug 15, 2025 9:17am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} OK. Fair enough. However, in darwinex, my size that I trade WILL NEVER change on my signal account, actually one of things I love about it.......I believe they are somehow responsible for the fills on the back end. If they need me to do something differently as far as chopping up a trade, once again, I believe that execution is on them. With a Darwinex classic, it may be different.
You trade futures, right? Since they're standardized and you can't use a position size smaller than "1," a fixed position size obviously makes sense. Assuming you were to automatically determine your position size based on a percentage or monetary value for the distance from the stop-loss level, you wouldn't be able to trade with 0.89 or 1.23 lots. Which brings me to the question of how to best control your risk in futures trading. Assuming you want to risk a maximum of $100 for each order, or 0.1% of your account balance, you would then have to use the same stop-loss distance in ticks/points for each order. Which, from a technical perspective, would be stupid, too: a static stop without any context to the market/volatility, etc.

For my first Darwinex Zero account (currently still in risk calibration phase) I trade 5 indices (CFDs) and I am using a dynamic percentage based risk management with stop losses placed accordingly. Do you think that’s more likely to lead to an lower risk multiplier for the DARWIN instead of using a fixed lot size approach? If so, my approach of a risk management probably makes less sense here even while the signals account risk is actually managed properly (as far as stop losses are respected and no slippage etc.)
  • #775
  • Aug 15, 2025 9:44am Aug 15, 2025 9:44am
Quoting Noisy
{quote} You trade futures, right? Since they're standardized and you can't use a position size smaller than "1," a fixed position size obviously makes sense. Assuming you were to automatically determine your position size based on a percentage or monetary value for the distance from the stop-loss level, you wouldn't be able to trade with 0.89 or 1.23 lots. Which brings me to the question of how to best control your risk in futures trading. Assuming you want to risk a maximum of $100 for each order, or 0.1% of your account balance, you would then...
The futures account is a 1 million dollar signal account, so no need for micros or to break up into partials
  • #776
  • Edited 2:11pm Aug 15, 2025 9:59am | Edited 2:11pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Oh, Monty, Monty, Monty....why Funding Ticks and why Futures next? Are you maxed with Tradeify, Topstep and Take Profit?
Cheap bro......

fundingticks - 80$ for 50k n target is 2500$
futuresnext - 75$ for 25k

Tradeify, Topstep and Take Profit - for these expensive ones i need another payout to buy those.... But worry not i am going for the more secure firms now.... I dont have any more patience to take BS from these small firms...
Extreme gut feeling trader
  • #777
  • Aug 15, 2025 10:15am Aug 15, 2025 10:15am
TopStep
TakeProfitTrader
MyFundedFutures
Tradify

These are the only reputable firms I see.
Drawdown is more important than Account Size !
  • #778
  • Aug 15, 2025 10:22am Aug 15, 2025 10:22am
Quoting procrude
TopStep TakeProfitTrader MyFundedFutures Tradify These are the only reputable firms I see.
Those are my four as well, but I think Tradeday is worth a mention now as well.
  • #779
  • Aug 15, 2025 10:26am Aug 15, 2025 10:26am
Quoting montygoldy
{quote} Cheap bro...... fundingticks - 80$ for 50k n target is 2500$ futuresnext - 75$ for 25k Tradeify, Topstep and Take Profit - for these expensive ones i need another payout to buy those.... But worry not i am going for the more secure firms now.... I dont hve any more patient to take BS from these small firms...
Yes, that's my point....enough of the BS....you have a proven profitable business model, you know your pass rate and your payout rate.....
At this point, a few extra bucks to KNOW you're getting paid should be irrelevant.....just trying to help.
  • #780
  • Aug 15, 2025 10:32am Aug 15, 2025 10:32am
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} The futures account is a 1 million dollar signal account, so no need for micros or to break up into partials
Yes, of course, but just because there are 1 million doesn't mean that you shouldn't have risk management. If you trade 1 contract and in one trade your stop/exit is at 10 points and in another trade you trade 1 contract where it would make more sense to stop at 30 points, in the latter case your loss would be 3 times greater if the trade does not work out for you.

In any case, I'm curious to see what kind of risk multiplier Darwinex will spit out for me with the variable position sizes I'm currently using. I could imagine that this has more of a negative effect. If so, I will trade the same strategy again with a second account with a small fixed position size and we would have a direct comparison. In any case, I think it would be stupid if that were the case because I don't like trading with fixed position sizes.

What OutThere is probably doing with "Martingale" and many simultaneous trades on many different markets also seems to be rather unsuitable for a constant/better risk multiplier, as this is rated as too high a risk by the risk engine.

As I said, one thing that completely turns me off about Darwinex is that without being able to predict exactly how you will get a certain risk multiplier (1:1 like in your signal account or better) you can't really expect anything in the future when it comes to your performance there, associated allocations, payouts, etc. It's basically a black box that you drive there.
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