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Every Tick based on Real Ticks gives loss. Demo is profit. Why?

  • #1
  • First Post: Edited 6:33pm Jun 21, 2025 10:55am | Edited 6:33pm
Hello trading community,
running the same EA on the same broker (FBS) and platform (demo) and timeframe with the same settings, Demo Trading provides profit while backtesting in Every Tick Based on Real Ticks mode provides loss.

Given that this backtesting mode is recommended from Metatrader folks as the most accurate, what's the missing point? It's seem the Delay in execution can provide much different results, but how can I simulate the same delay setting in Backtest as they are in live demo?

Please find below the two performances, thanks in advance for your feedback
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  • #2
  • Jun 21, 2025 11:08am Jun 21, 2025 11:08am
in your backtest you got a big win then it slowly decreases. It's a little bit what we see in your live demo equity, no ?
  • #3
  • Jun 21, 2025 6:34pm Jun 21, 2025 6:34pm
Quoting Jeffo
in your backtest you got a big win then it slowly decreases. It's a little bit what we see in your live demo equity, no ?
this is live demo result:
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  • #4
  • Jun 22, 2025 3:08am Jun 22, 2025 3:08am
Quoting trader25
{quote} this is live demo result: {image}
I know

but this is what I mean:
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  • #5
  • Jun 22, 2025 5:20pm Jun 22, 2025 5:20pm
Quoting Jeffo
{quote} I know but this is what I mean: {image}
please consider that the time interval is the same, you can't compare the initial backtest part with the entire live demo result.

They are both from April 21st to June 20th
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  • #6
  • Jun 22, 2025 10:30pm Jun 22, 2025 10:30pm
Because Back testing engine on mt4 and mt5 is dogshit actually calling it dogshit is an insult to dogshit as simple as that, there are many better options but they cost money to get that data you need and you got the MQL4 and MQL5 language that is also Horseshit that no one want to touch that shit but Metaquotes
  • #7
  • Jun 23, 2025 6:23am Jun 23, 2025 6:23am
Quoting trader25
{quote} please consider that the time interval is the same, you can't compare the initial backtest part with the entire live demo result. They are both from April 21st to June 20th {image} {image}
could you try "Every tick" but NOT "based on history"

some guys think this is more accurate for scalpers.

are your trades really fast, like quick scalping ?
  • #8
  • Jun 23, 2025 4:56pm Jun 23, 2025 4:56pm
Quoting SilentFixer
Because Back testing engine on mt4 and mt5 is dogshit actually calling it dogshit is an insult to dogshit as simple as that, there are many better options but they cost money to get that data you need and you got the MQL4 and MQL5 language that is also Horseshit that no one want to touch that shit but Metaquotes
thanks for the feedback, I though that MT5 at least was better in data quality compared to Mt4
  • #9
  • Jun 23, 2025 5:02pm Jun 23, 2025 5:02pm
Quoting Jeffo
{quote} could you try "Every tick" but NOT "based on history" some guys think this is more accurate for scalpers. are your trades really fast, like quick scalping ?
For Xauusd, TP was 26 pips and SL just 4 pips. Example: trade price is 2623.40 with SL at 2623.00 and TP at 2626.00
  • #10
  • Jun 23, 2025 5:48pm Jun 23, 2025 5:48pm
Quoting Jeffo
{quote} could you try "Every tick" but NOT "based on history" some guys think this is more accurate for scalpers. are your trades really fast, like quick scalping ?
every think gives same result as real ticks, thanks anyway for the suggestion
  • #11
  • Jun 24, 2025 1:20am Jun 24, 2025 1:20am
Quoting trader25
{quote} For Xauusd, TP was 26 pips and SL just 4 pips. Example: trade price is 2623.40 with SL at 2623.00 and TP at 2626.00
i'd say that your backtest is coherent with your TP/SL

you got a very small SL, so you'll have a lots of small losses, and then a big win. That's exactly what we see on the backtest

now why it doesn't show the same thing on the live result might be due to slippage : because you can have positive slippage

your SL is very very small (too small i'd say)
  • #12
  • Jun 24, 2025 6:12am Jun 24, 2025 6:12am
Quoting Jeffo
{quote} i'd say that your backtest is coherent with your TP/SL you got a very small SL, so you'll have a lots of small losses, and then a big win. That's exactly what we see on the backtest now why it doesn't show the same thing on the live result might be due to slippage : because you can have positive slippage your SL is very very small (too small i'd say)
ok many thanks, so you're saying that with a so strict SL, even if backtesting in Real Tick mode, it's not possible to replicate the same performance of live demo trading
  • #13
  • Jun 24, 2025 6:24am Jun 24, 2025 6:24am
Quoting trader25
{quote} ok many thanks, so you're saying that with a so strict SL, even if backtesting in Real Tick mode, it's not possible to replicate the same performance of live demo trading
yes the SL is very tight. you will never get good backtests with that

I'm using MT4 and MT5 for a long time and their BT is legit. MT5 is superior because it has built-in spreads that are dedicated from the broker
for MT4 you need at least good data
MY5 is truly a game changer, but of course some strategies that "worked" on MT4 (in backtest) will break on MT5
for example you could very well exploit the 23h45 inefficiency in MT4 but realize in MT5 that the spread is so high that it is unusable in real life trading.

also are you 100% sure this is the same account ? I'm on Roboforex and some of their live accounts aren't available for demo
just an idea
  • #14
  • Last Post: Jun 24, 2025 1:18pm Jun 24, 2025 1:18pm
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also are you 100% sure this is the same account ? I'm on Roboforex and some of their live accounts aren't available for demo
just an idea

if I understand, yes the demo account where the EA had run is the same account used for backtesting
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