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  • #121
  • Mar 9, 2025 7:32am Mar 9, 2025 7:32am
Quoting TheJube
{quote} So i use the following regarding timeframes: HTF - LTF MN - W1 W1 - D1 D1 - H4 H4 - M30 H1 - M15 M30 - M5 M15 - M1 (although here be a bit less strict on M1 if it comes to MAs crossing downwards before buying, since it is a 15 times smaller TF than the higher M15 TF) So you look on the HTF for all three MA's in the right order: 20EMA >50EMA >100 EMA, best is all pointed up (blue MA). Also price should not touch the 20EMA (strong trend). Best is when Pips29 indicator is fully blue, and all 3 CCI's are green and/or blue. Then go to LTF, in...

LTF
There you look for: Price pullback touching the 20EMA, while all MA's are in the right order (20EMA>50EMA>100 EMA)

One question: Are you taking the trade already at the pull back? Not on the break back to trend direction (bounce)??
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  • #122
  • Mar 9, 2025 8:02am Mar 9, 2025 8:02am
Quoting RiskFighter
{quote} LTF There you look for: Price pullback touching the 20EMA, while all MA's are in the right order (20EMA>50EMA>100 EMA) One question: Are you taking the trade already at the pull back? Not on the break back to trend direction (bounce)??
So i dont blindly enter on the MA touch; the MA touch has to come first. Then i wait for a green candle which turns grey. That grey candle is the entry candle, and it does not matter if that candle touches or not touches the MA. It's about that the entry candle OR previous candle(s) sometime touched the 20MA.

The idea is that price extended above or below the 5SMA channel (above for shorts, below for buys), and then closes inside it again so we can enter. MA Touch has to come somehwere in this process; it can also be that a red candle comes before touching the 20MA > then if the candle that turns grey touches to 20MA, we can also enter, but this does not happen often i think, but can happen.

If i get stopped out of the trade and the candle that stopped me out is still grey; i re-enter (i dont wait for a new green candle per se to re-enter when it changes back to grey). Maybe that is also sometime a little confusion.

Is it more clear now? If not, you can maybe share an example with your question so i can draw/answer it
  • #123
  • Mar 9, 2025 8:14am Mar 9, 2025 8:14am
Quoting TheJube
{quote} So i dont blindly enter on the MA touch; the MA touch has to come first. Then i wait for a green candle which turns grey. That grey candle is the entry candle, and it does not matter if that candle touches or not touches the MA. It's about that the entry candle OR previous candle(s) sometime touched the 20MA. The idea is that price extended above or below the 5SMA channel (above for shorts, below for buys), and then closes inside it again so we can enter. MA Touch has to come somehwere in this process; it can also be that a red candle comes...
It is clear. I just need to know in detail, because the code only understand details.

I have just started coding the Exit robot. Close to finished also. It will be ready for test tomorrow.

As Cog say you can get a bit dizzy here, I like that - part of the fun.
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  • #124
  • Mar 9, 2025 8:27am Mar 9, 2025 8:27am
Quoting RiskFighter
{quote} It is clear. I just need to know in detail, because the code only understand details. I have just started coding the Exit robot. Close to finished also. It will be ready for test tomorrow. As Cog say you can get a bit dizzy here, I like that - part of the fun.
Super! Hehe yeah code = code and code does not like grey areas i think (only black or white, 0 and 1 hehe)

Oh wow, that is quick; sounds good!

Haha, yes some can handle dizzyness, and some don't: i like it since i know exactly what which color does and why. If not, i would also get dizzy
  • #125
  • Mar 9, 2025 8:58am Mar 9, 2025 8:58am
Thats it. Exit robot is ready.

OK, this one is a bit fuzzy code, so there will be faults to find when market is back on monday. I will test it and hopefully release on monday.
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  • #126
  • Mar 9, 2025 2:54pm Mar 9, 2025 2:54pm
Quoting RiskFighter
OK. Let me show how I trade it on LTF. I use Heiken Ashi. Entry signal is when a bar cross the Primary Moving Average. If you use MA 20, 50 and 100, then the MA20 is the primary. The HA bar shall have wick only in the trend direction. Follow the trade as watching that the coming bars have only wicks in the trend direction. If a bar occure that have wicks in both directions, that is an indecission bar. But if it did not change colour, then do not exit, but be on guard. Whenever the new bar change colour, then exit the trade immidiately. This is the...
You can use the HA indicator which can be turned on and off. It is convenient
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  • #127
  • Mar 9, 2025 3:55pm Mar 9, 2025 3:55pm
Quoting Magiruss
{quote} You can use the HA indicator which can be turned on and off. It is convenient {file}
It makes things much easier. Thank you Magiruss.
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  • #128
  • Edited 4:54pm Mar 9, 2025 4:34pm | Edited 4:54pm
Quoting RiskFighter
OK. People are showing up. Super. I have becktested systems for more than 10 years. The best result ever was 17.000.000$ in one year in the robot I tested. It was one specific pair traded every Wednesday night between 1:00 and 3:00. It is called curve fitting and that happens when you backtest. But in real life it would have been a loss. Real life is different. People look back at the M5 and find loads of fine signals. But in the real world, the trades are lost by giant spikes or just every day spread. Therefore making a robot on nice looking back...
May i know which pair and whats gmt time or which country time you are sharing.
I can share one thing, one of my colleague used to trade only two weeks in a year, when uk BST time change that time. Infront of me he made plenty of money but the way he showed me i coudnt make money.
  • #129
  • Mar 9, 2025 4:40pm Mar 9, 2025 4:40pm
Quoting BDfx77
{quote} May i know which pair and whats gmt time or which country time you are sharing. I can share one thing, one of my colleague only trade two weeks in a year, when uk BST time that time. Infront of me he made plenty of money but the way he showed me i coudnt make money.

Very interesting, tell me more about it
  • #130
  • Mar 9, 2025 4:54pm Mar 9, 2025 4:54pm
After looking at this strategy in the tester a little, I noticed that the PIPS29 indicator changed colors from time to time. And this is quite logical, because each line is responsible for its own time zone. Will this not affect the decision-making?

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  • #131
  • Mar 9, 2025 4:56pm Mar 9, 2025 4:56pm
Quoting Magiruss
{quote} Very interesting, tell me more about it
in one week last year he made 38k pound in from of me. He will trade this month when the time will change
  • #132
  • Mar 9, 2025 5:15pm Mar 9, 2025 5:15pm
Quoting Magiruss
After looking at this strategy in the tester a little, I noticed that the PIPS29 indicator changed colors from time to time. And this is quite logical, because each line is responsible for its own time zone. Will this not affect the decision-making? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1Wk...hannel=WMG2010
Each row is responsible for a timeframe. So the lowest row is the actual timeframe and is the most reliable. The highest row is 3 timeframes above and this means that you cannot count on the colour to stay firm.

This is one of the reasons that I said in post #1: Then I judge the CCI. I want a nice long uniform red or blue colour, which show that we are in trend.

So you are right. The 2 lowest rows at the Pips29 are the most important, but I still want all 4 rows to have the same colour.
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  • #133
  • Mar 9, 2025 5:18pm Mar 9, 2025 5:18pm
Quoting BDfx77
{quote} May i know which pair and whats gmt time or which country time you are sharing. I can share one thing, one of my colleague used to trade only two weeks in a year, when uk BST time change that time. Infront of me he made plenty of money but the way he showed me i coudnt make money.
That is of no use. My point is, that you cannot avoid curvefitting in back test. And this example was the most extreme i have experienced. Forward test is better.

I do have the proof, but on another old computer, since that was many years ago.
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  • #134
  • Mar 9, 2025 10:14pm Mar 9, 2025 10:14pm
The Risk Fighter and Jube for sharing the possibility of a good system. I am interested to do the test as well.

I will do some test and revert, happy to join any discord group


By the way, there is some simlarities with this and RH's Trend Continuation. However he is using more EMAs for verfication. He is using the following:

"ema(3) > ema(8) and ema(8) > ema(21) and ema(21) > ema(34) and ema(34) > ema(55) and ema(55) > ema(200)

The EMA(3) should cross below the EMA(8) (or close to it ) AND it can also cross below the 21, and 34, but not the 55."

Would you consider to include TMMS Oscillator for confluences?
  • #135
  • Mar 9, 2025 10:28pm Mar 9, 2025 10:28pm
Quoting RiskFighter
Then it is time to analyze each of them Top/Down to identify the handful that I will trade. {image} I have found 8 pairs to watch.
Hi RiskFighter, you said you analyze each of them Top/ Down. How do you do that? Thanks in advance!
  • #136
  • Mar 9, 2025 11:36pm Mar 9, 2025 11:36pm
Those are the instrument I will trade today.
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  • #137
  • Mar 9, 2025 11:39pm Mar 9, 2025 11:39pm
Quoting Cannonfairy
The Risk Fighter and Jube for sharing the possibility of a good system. I am interested to do the test as well. I will do some test and revert, happy to join any discord group By the way, there is some simlarities with this and RH's Trend Continuation. However he is using more EMAs for verfication. He is using the following: "ema(3) > ema(8) and ema(8) > ema(21) and ema(21) > ema(34) and ema(34) > ema(55) and ema(55) > ema(200) The EMA(3) should cross below the EMA(8) (or close to it ) AND it can also cross below the 21, and 34, but not the 55."...
My thread is still about finding the pairs to the watchlist. How people trade them is non of my business.

However Jube has provided a nice trading strategy based partly on my watchlist that we are working on. I think that we shall not add any confluences to that one, before we are 100% sure about the ones we already have. It will only be disturbing.
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  • #138
  • Mar 9, 2025 11:45pm Mar 9, 2025 11:45pm
Quoting HazHazHaz
{quote} Hi RiskFighter, you said you analyze each of them Top/ Down. How do you do that? Thanks in advance!
For the time being I am not. The pairs I have had on my watchlist has been very succesfull. The strategy you are using should filter bad trades.

Take this pair EURNZD as an example. If your strategy did not give nice results last 2 weeks, then it is quit bad.

I have some succes using the Squeeze strategy latest discussed in a thread by Machinelearn. So I use my simple watchlist strategy and play the pairs using the Squeeze. I go on at the start of Frankfurt. End a couple of hours into US.
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  • #139
  • Mar 10, 2025 12:21am Mar 10, 2025 12:21am
Hi RF

Great Thread - I am in - setting up my charts now.
  • #140
  • Mar 10, 2025 2:50am Mar 10, 2025 2:50am
Quoting Cannonfairy
The Risk Fighter and Jube for sharing the possibility of a good system. I am interested to do the test as well. I will do some test and revert, happy to join any discord group By the way, there is some simlarities with this and RH's Trend Continuation. However he is using more EMAs for verfication. He is using the following: "ema(3) > ema(8) and ema(8) > ema(21) and ema(21) > ema(34) and ema(34) > ema(55) and ema(55) > ema(200) The EMA(3) should cross below the EMA(8) (or close to it ) AND it can also cross below the 21, and 34, but not the 55."...
Hi CF, good to have you on board.

Funny thing is: i tried that ema of RH just before i came up on the rules i have now. So for me its a no, it didnt work out for me.
I did not use the oscillator, but the strategy we have now does not really need an extra oscillator. We will start with what it is now to see how that goes firstly.

Thanks for the input though!
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