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  • #481
  • Jan 22, 2024 12:58am Jan 22, 2024 12:58am
New update for Mt4. just restart your platform and enjoy
  • #482
  • Feb 19, 2024 12:43am Feb 19, 2024 12:43am
Gentlemen restart your terminal, a new build 1408 for mt4 is available now
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  • #483
  • May 7, 2024 11:08am May 7, 2024 11:08am
Hello all,

I have been using MT4 on my VPS for years now and just today it stopped working saying its offline and needs to be updated ...
Dont know why why out of the blue this happened.

Where can I download a clean MT4 installation from?

Any replies are much appreciated !

Cheers
  • #484
  • Edited 2:40pm May 7, 2024 12:30pm | Edited 2:40pm
Quoting brokerbear
Hello all, I have been using MT4 on my VPS for years now and just today it stopped working saying its offline and needs to be updated ... Dont know why why out of the blue this happened. Where can I download a clean MT4 installation from? Any replies are much appreciated ! Cheers
If Journal says "LiveUpdate: old version, try to download new one", then update, only latest build will work, which is 1415 now.

Link to MetaTrader 4 and 5 archive you can find always in this profile: https://www.mql5.com/en/users/komposter
  • #485
  • May 9, 2024 1:27am May 9, 2024 1:27am
It's the best update ever. Before terminal.exe used more than 1GB memory and was hogging my CPU so much on startup that it took at least 1min. That's because I have 14 chart with lots of indicators. Now suddenly it starts immediately just like you expect and use 112MB!!!

I mean going from 1.4GB memory use to 112MB seems like some serious coding errors in prevoius builds.

I always thought it was because it's 32bit, but that memory usage in build 1415 is like magic.
  • #486
  • May 11, 2024 10:14pm May 11, 2024 10:14pm
Quoting Boa
It's the best update ever. Before terminal.exe used more than 1GB memory and was hogging my CPU so much on startup that it took at least 1min. That's because I have 14 chart with lots of indicators. Now suddenly it starts immediately just like you expect and use 112MB!!! I mean going from 1.4GB memory use to 112MB seems like some serious coding errors in prevoius builds. I always thought it was because it's 32bit, but that memory usage in build 1415 is like magic.
Interesting comment, but I find it ironic because recently I've run into a lot of MT4 errors. The Experts log says "out of memory" when I open a new chart, or add an indicator to an existing one. Previously, I could open up 30 and more charts, but now I'm lucky to get 20 to work. Usually, when the error occurs, I can close a chart or two and then opening a new one will work. Sometimes I shut down and restart, but it's still at, or very close to, the limit that causes the same error.

I've checked the Windows Task Manager, and the process might only be ~1G or less when the error occurs; yet other times -- different indicators running -- it might keep working fine with even 2G for the process. I have 32G RAM, and there is still plenty of unused RAM memory, and plenty of unused CPU cores.

I must be running into some specific internal buffer limit, NOT total memory, but something else like the number of (?????) is exceeded. I hoped it might be, for example, the number of passed arrays in function definitions, but I reduced that a lot in my main chart indicator, and it didn't help. Back in 2013, it seems MT4 did have such a limit, but it was said MT5 did not; so when MT4 was upgraded in builds 600+, likely the limit went away as well. Specifically, I had functions with "double& da_varname[]", but was only using varname[0] (that is, ArraySize=1). I replaced those with a simple (non-arrary) passed variable: "double& d_varname"

The thing is, I am constantly adding code to my main indicators that are used on all my charts. I wouldn't be surprised if the more I add, the closer I get to some MT4 limit that I hit that then gives me the "out of memory" error. I don't know what the limit is! If I did, I could remove less important features, or rewrite sections to better stay within the limitation.

Any ideas or info of things I can try are most welcome.

By the way, I'd be happy to install and try an older MT4 version, prior to 1415 which you claim made a big improvement for you. But when I start MT4 and it asks whether to update to a new build, even when I click "No" it *still* forces the update!! I don't know how to suppress the update! (My MT4's are installed on a "G:" drive, not under "C:", and I am the Admin, although I'm not specifically using "Run as administrator").
  • #487
  • May 12, 2024 7:43am May 12, 2024 7:43am
Quoting pips4life
...I don't know how to suppress the update...
- go to "users/<user-name>/AppData/Roaming/MetaQuotes"
- delete folder "WebInstall"
- open the properties of folder "users/<user-name>/AppData/Roaming/MetaQuotes"
- go to the "Security" tab, click "Advanced", click "Change Permissions", click "Add"
- create an entry "Deny", "Everyone", "<not inherited>", "This folder only" with the shown permissions denied
- confirm all dialogs and dialog warnings
- done

It's important that the result looks exactly like in the screenshot. The "Deny" rule top-most, applied to "this folder only". As a result the download of new updates failes but writing in the subdirectories is still possible.

ps: Ignore the displayed name in the title bar of the 2nd screenshot. For me it says "appdata" because I redirected the folder. For you it must say "MetaQuotes".
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  • #488
  • May 12, 2024 8:08am May 12, 2024 8:08am
Also add this snippet to your
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C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\hosts
file:

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127.0.0.0  api1.mql5.com     api2.mql5.com     api3.mql5.com     api4.mql5.com     api5.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api6.mql5.com     api7.mql5.com     api8.mql5.com     api9.mql5.com     api10.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api11.mql5.com    api12.mql5.com    api13.mql5.com    api14.mql5.com    api15.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api16.mql5.com    api17.mql5.com    api18.mql5.com    api19.mql5.com    api20.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api21.mql5.com    api22.mql5.com    api23.mql5.com    api24.mql5.com    api25.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api26.mql5.com    api27.mql5.com    api28.mql5.com    api29.mql5.com    api30.mql5.com
127.0.0.0  api1.mql5.net     api2.mql5.net     api3.mql5.net     api4.mql5.net     api5.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  api6.mql5.net     api7.mql5.net     api8.mql5.net     api9.mql5.net     api10.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  api11.mql5.net    api12.mql5.net    api13.mql5.net    api14.mql5.net    api15.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  api16.mql5.net    api17.mql5.net    api18.mql5.net    api19.mql5.net    api20.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  api21.mql5.net    api22.mql5.net    api23.mql5.net    api24.mql5.net    api25.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  api26.mql5.net    api27.mql5.net    api28.mql5.net    api29.mql5.net    api30.mql5.net
127.0.0.0  content.mql5.com

After doing so the error messages in your terminal's "Journal" tab will be gone. It also disables the bloatware in the "News", "Market", "Signals", "Articles" and "Codebase" tabs. For some users it might be a blessing.
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  • #489
  • May 28, 2024 6:13am May 28, 2024 6:13am
New build 1420: https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/467395
  • #490
  • May 28, 2024 6:04pm May 28, 2024 6:04pm
Quoting Botan626
New build 1420: https://www.mql5.com/en/forum/467395
Thanks, restarted now, Wednesday morning Australia, and it was there!

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  • #491
  • Jun 18, 2024 1:32pm Jun 18, 2024 1:32pm
Quoting Aussi
{quote} so do you think a Ukraine company is more trustworthy than a Russian company
The only thing that could be more ironic would be a China platform

It could happen

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  • #492
  • Jun 18, 2024 1:47pm Jun 18, 2024 1:47pm
Quoting heispark
{quote} This is a Russian company: {image} And this is a Ukraine company: Unless you are a forex trader, Quantower is a handsdown winner. Actually, Quantower is a rising star among futures traders. Also, U.S. gov may start to feel uncomfortable with this Russian company now as it's deeply involved with western financial system. Who know if this Russian company have made some backdoors in their software? The only reason I still use this ancient software is old indictors made by Mladen and Mrtools. Otherwise, I will ditch it without hesitation....
Is anyone using this platform for Forex?

Contrary to what is quoted above, they do have a procedure to link to some FX brokers

This video from 2019 even

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  • #493
  • Jun 20, 2024 6:58am Jun 20, 2024 6:58am
Quoting Erebus
{quote} Is anyone using this platform for Forex? Contrary to what is quoted above, they do have a procedure to link to some FX brokers This video from 2019 even https://youtu.be/U5luFf-pQXU?si=Bap8MxPkboGJa734
Not sure why you need other platforms if you trade forex exclusively. Actually, MT4 is a pretty much decent platform to trade forex I believe......
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  • #494
  • Edited 3:27pm Jun 20, 2024 2:36pm | Edited 3:27pm
Quoting Erebus
...Is anyone using this platform for Forex?
Over the last 15 years I probably tried every retail platform available. Starting with a life-time license for NeoTicker, then NinjaTrader, then MultiCharts, finally found MetaTrader 4. In between I tried SierraCharts (my second best choice after MT4) and last year I tried Quantower.

If you only trade FX you don't need to look any further as MT4. It's by far the best. Said that, if you start dabbling into futures CFD conditions of MT4 brokers are sup-optimal. We don't want to mention MT5 here because futures conditions with MT5 are ridiculous. So MT5 is no option for anything except optimization. But...

What I found is that no other retail platform comes close to the chart quality of MetaTrader. Other platforms offer all kind of nice DOM/order/trading features but for me chart quality is the absolute fundament of trading, and here no platform comes close to MetaTrader. Also, MetaTrader offers the most easy to use API to other languages (C/C++), so if you are a coder MetaTrader imho is the best choice. For me easy extendibility is of utmost importance.

<rant-on>
As for Quantower: It's a nice software package but the UI is terrible. Developers never heared about the terminus UX. Dialogs are a disaster, chart trading capabilities simply do not exist as we are used to it with MetaTrader. In fact this (Quantower) is the typical result when you use the DotNet platform instead of native C++ for application development. 20 years ago Java used to have a very similar problem with the AWT SDK for UIs, until Eclipse with its native UI library showed Java what a hammer is.

Chart quality: I'd like to post some screenshots but I already deleted the installation. If I configure bullish bars to be green and bearish bars to be red, than no matter what zoom factor I use, I expect these colors to show up in the chart, and nothing else. With Quantower you will permanently experience charts with rainbow colors. Only when bars are 2-3 pixel wide and there is a distance between them you will have a clear picture. More narrow zoom factors produce a mix of colors. Ever enjoyed yellow, green, red, white all mixed together? I have no idea what developers are doing over there. One thing is for sure: they are not traders.
<rant-off>

ps: Found some pics. Here is a picture of what it looks like when you configure bars to be green/red only.
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Product managers also never heared about the UI concept of menus or toolbars, which is known since Windows 2. That's 1990. Instead they simply put colored rectangles with letters or 3-letter abbreviations on screen, assuming that users will swallow everything they throw at them. Developer life can be so easy...
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  • #495
  • Jun 20, 2024 4:55pm Jun 20, 2024 4:55pm
Quoting heispark
{quote} Not sure why you need other platforms if you trade forex exclusively. Actually, MT4 is a pretty much decent platform to trade forex I believe......
I don't need, just curious is all...

Thanks
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  • #496
  • Jun 20, 2024 4:57pm Jun 20, 2024 4:57pm
Quoting emmzett
{quote} Over the last 15 years I probably tried every retail platform available. Starting with a life-time license for NeoTicker, then NinjaTrader, then MultiCharts, finally found MetaTrader 4. In between I tried SierraCharts (my second best choice after MT4) and last year I tried Quantower. If you only trade FX you don't need to look any further as MT4. It's by far the best. Said that, if you start dabbling into futures CFD conditions of MT4 brokers are sup-optimal. We don't want to mention MT5 here because futures conditions with MT5 are ridiculous....
Thanks for the in-depth review and history was interesting. I seem to recall a platform actually called SuperCharts, but yes, MT4 is the mainstay and shall continue to be "happy" with that.
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  • #497
  • Jul 9, 2024 9:44am Jul 9, 2024 9:44am
I have been using MT4 for around 15 years - I like it - I`m used to it - the only other platform considered was Trading View.

Now MT4 Build 1420 May `24 comes along & now some of my trusty indicators & paid EA`s have stopped
working.

It uses around <10% CPU and <850Mb memory> and, for me, is very robust.

However, the loss of some indicators & EA`s is bugging me. I`ve seen some that have had the same problem are resorting
to back dating the terminal. I don`t know if that is a good or bad thing??

Anyone out there experiencing the same and found a safe solution?
  • #498
  • Jul 23, 2024 2:54pm Jul 23, 2024 2:54pm
Build 1421 was released.
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  • #499
  • Edited 7:27am Jul 27, 2024 6:32am | Edited 7:27am
Quoting emmzett
Build 1421 was released.
Strange, mine have not updated, have re-booted a few times due to Windows updates, but nothing when restarting MT4.

Anybody else got the update or not?

Also checked MQL and Googled but find no mention of 1421.

Thanks.
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  • #500
  • Edited 7:26am Jul 27, 2024 7:06am | Edited 7:26am
  •  FerruFx
  • Joined May 2007 | Status: MT4/MT5 EAs/Indicators/Alerts coder | 6,542 Posts | Online Now
Quoting Erebus
{quote} Strange, mine have not updated, have re-booted a few times due to Windows updates, but nothing when restating MT4. Anybody else got the update or not? Thanks.
If I'm not mistaken, the updates are pushed by brokers on their own ... so you may be with one who has not pushed it yet. Happened to me a few times in the past (forgot which one though!).
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