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  • #25,681
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:25pm Nov 7, 2023 3:25pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} As far as copiers and order splitting, Tradovate group copy split the orders in the multiples of accounts grouped. So if I want 1 contract placed in the group, I have to place a 10 contract order, then its split evenly amongst the group. Some of the other copiers have that same function.
Is this the copier that Apex sells ($150/$175) for Tradovate? Or are you using a function of Tradovate in the app? Thank you.
My apologies for stupid tech questions. I swear I'd be a much better trader if tech was easy for me.
  • #25,682
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:32pm Nov 7, 2023 3:32pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} are you sure? I didn't know, I was thinking that the 80% discount is after also for the PA account. So this change a lot things, I have to check, I lost this rule of the promo. I will open a ticket to ask. So the 300K PA account will cost 670$ per month plus the 85-105$ fee? 750$ per month?
No the 300k cost $67 first month then $134 for every month in the eval and then on PA there is completey different system of fees, you pay $85 monthly here, and no other fees. You can opt to lifetime fees, that is all. No other fees here (at Apex). What I meant is that the promo codes are all for eval fees considered and not PA fees.
  • #25,683
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:34pm Nov 7, 2023 3:34pm
Any Twitter news about the MFF CFTC fight on the hearing today ?
  • #25,684
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:42pm Nov 7, 2023 3:42pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} No the 300k cost $67 first month then $134 for every month in the eval and then on PA there is completey different system of fees, you pay $85 monthly here, and no other fees. You can opt to lifetime fees, that is all. No other fees here (at Apex). What I meant is that the promo codes are all for eval fees considered and not PA fees.
Ok thanks, so it is perfect, the unique fee is the 85-105$ fee perfect. I was thinking that I should pay even in PA the 134$ forever.

So in this case you was right, better to focus on more 300K ...
in holiday till end of November
  • #25,685
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:45pm Nov 7, 2023 3:45pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} Ok thanks, so it is perfect, the unique fee is the 85-105$ fee perfect. I was thinking that I should pay even in PA the 134$ forever. So in this case you was right, better to focus on more 300K ...
Actually I am thinking the $150k accounts are the best bang for the buck. Because the fees are half of them for the 300k but DD is two third of 300k. 180% vs. 266% profit goal on the flipping side. So the 150k is easier to pass. It is kind of trade off of course because all in all it depends on how much you can make in overall payouts.
  • #25,686
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:46pm Nov 7, 2023 3:46pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} No the 300k cost $67 first month then $134 for every month in the eval and then on PA there is completey different system of fees, you pay $85 monthly here, and no other fees. You can opt to lifetime fees, that is all. No other fees here (at Apex). What I meant is that the promo codes are all for eval fees considered and not PA fees.
Yes I just actually found that section - for Rithmic it is $85 per month on the PA account. Although there is a lifetime fee you can pay upfront which looks to be $340 for the 300k account using Rithmic.
  • #25,687
  • Nov 7, 2023 3:47pm Nov 7, 2023 3:47pm
Quoting FocusWinReal
{quote} What does Korbs say? FX is for kiddies and futures for adults. Not that I agree totally but futures is better in a sense that it is real and not a video game. The video game can still be used to make money but bucket shops can't afford to have too many winners. This whole space of late has revealed some hard reality and well, futures here I come baby. *** non-video endorsement alert! *** https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lp7t97nar_8

not true but what they want you to think. fx can't be centralized the same way as futures, money is created endogenously mostly. this makes it harder to control, if some billionaire started trading orange juice, he'd easily manipulate the price. this isn't possible with fx.
  • #25,688
  • Nov 7, 2023 4:54pm Nov 7, 2023 4:54pm
Quoting pipmaster77
{quote} Since it is on a regulated exchange, everyone is seeing the same price. In forex, your broker and/or LPs is/are the market maker(s). It is why you can see a spread of 1 on an instrument with broker A and a spread of 6 with broker B. They also freeze their platforms, have random price spikes, add false slippage......it goes on and on Main point is the broker is the counterparty to your trade, you win, they lose and vice versa......Don't get me wrong, you can still make money, but it is manipulated for you not to.
I think this is a common belief that just because the broker is the opposing side in the Forex market, the market is "rigged". There are so many brokers and the price data is public, which broker has to manipulate to make a few bucks on 0.1 lot retail traders to risk losing their image, regulation etc. This is where 99% of traders seem to screw up in the long term one way or another. I find this argument strange. CFD trading of indices would still be via a broker despite the central authority? I also often see blatant spikes in indices. My idea would have been that these might be “easier” to trade than Forex because they somehow seem to me to be trendier and clearer in their price movements. Another point would probably be that the big banks and institutions don't play along and so you're more likely to be on the move with pure speculators.

Anyhow no idea ;-)
  • #25,689
  • Nov 7, 2023 5:03pm Nov 7, 2023 5:03pm
For anyone interested in Pivot Points here I find a book about this... https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-Az...LuwxMjlUA/view
  • #25,690
  • Nov 7, 2023 6:02pm Nov 7, 2023 6:02pm
Quoting ForexGalVA
{quote} Is this the copier that Apex sells ($150/$175) for Tradovate? Or are you using a function of Tradovate in the app? Thank you. My apologies for stupid tech questions. I swear I'd be a much better trader if tech was easy for me.
That copier and the other I mentioned are for Rithmic/NinjaTrader.

I am using the built in GroupCopy function on Tradovate.
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  • #25,691
  • Nov 7, 2023 6:04pm Nov 7, 2023 6:04pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} Actually I am thinking the $150k accounts are the best bang for the buck. Because the fees are half of them for the 300k but DD is two third of 300k. 180% vs. 266% profit goal on the flipping side. So the 150k is easier to pass. It is kind of trade off of course because all in all it depends on how much you can make in overall payouts.
I diversified like this, may be it is a mistake, but one the unique way to test all of them and to see which fit to me the best for the next round of discounts in the future. So I took a 150K also for that reason. And at the end of 1 month I will decide which to bring with me in PA.

Quoting ForexGalVA
{quote} Is this the copier that Apex sells ($150/$175) for Tradovate? Or are you using a function of Tradovate in the app? Thank you. My apologies for stupid tech questions. I swear I'd be a much better trader if tech was easy for me.
I use also tradovate, that is free. No need to spend money, and may be you will like a lot how simple is tradovate, I use also footprint charts, cumulative delta, they work greats! I'm so happy that I focus much better on my trades.
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in holiday till end of November
  • #25,692
  • Nov 7, 2023 6:12pm Nov 7, 2023 6:12pm
Quoting TrAndy1
{quote} If you can make it to a payout and you are net positive in excess of all fees spending then you have it. What I thought is with all these recent published posts that it is by far too fast to hold this kind of progress. But that is me. I do not know what others think about this. But for me I need like 2 months to pass that kind of goals in average. That is why I like the no time limit so much. And this new rule only got implemented this year 2023 since. I hope you will get a payout smooth from Bespoke.
if you check my history (checkmy old screenshots i posted). I usually trade with high leverage high lots on micro accounts and try to flip them. My best performances is 2k to 52k in 10 trading days. I have turned 2k or less to 50k + multiple times. Also this is not my actual trading style as i have a very conservative personal account plus trading is a hobby for me right now.
Last month a member here introduced me to prop firm thing. Rather than blowing 2k on a micro account why not blow 2k worth of challenges that feels like a better deal.

My ultimate goal is to get 2.5-3 million funding with multiple firms(10 or more as aiming for not more than 200k accounts on smaller firms and 400k on bigger ones). Will invest 2k per month (personal money for next 6 month) + any profits from prop firm to buy challenges to achieve my goal.
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  • #25,693
  • Nov 7, 2023 6:55pm Nov 7, 2023 6:55pm
Quoting Cryptosurf
{quote} Day 2 of 7 with second batch of 50K accounts. $531 booked. Today is day 7 of first group of 10. {image}
Passed First ten accounts, paid the lifetime fee and already assigned PA accounts.

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  • #25,694
  • Nov 7, 2023 7:34pm Nov 7, 2023 7:34pm
started with MFF, lowest priced account, with discount, less than coffee/day for month.
thx to montygoldy, didn't know that MFF exists, was actually planing to go with original MFF (their office is not far from me), but ..., first day almost blew up account, had this idea that ea will do the orders and I'll close them manually, guess what, didn't go well (opened away many orders on 2 many charts ), now recovering account slowly. Doing this for fun, hobby, if goes well will increase account.
Don't think that making 1-2 %/day should be problem, manually trading.
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  • #25,695
  • Nov 7, 2023 8:26pm Nov 7, 2023 8:26pm
Quoting forexbali
{quote} I diversified like this, may be it is a mistake, but one the unique way to test all of them and to see which fit to me the best for the next round of discounts in the future. So I took a 150K also for that reason. And at the end of 1 month I will decide which to bring with me in PA. {quote} I use also tradovate, that is free. No need to spend money, and may be you will like a lot how simple is tradovate, I use also footprint charts, cumulative delta, they work greats! I'm so happy that I focus much better on my trades. {image}
This is a bit old but seems to break down the different account types and mathematical benefits.
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  • #25,696
  • Nov 7, 2023 8:29pm Nov 7, 2023 8:29pm
Quoting noox
{quote} spamming shit videos from known scammers is an endorsement in itself however loudly you are yelling that it's not
I rebut your comment.

Two people had a discussion in the video about fx and futures hosted by a guy called Austin.

As a non-commie I didn't get upset by their discussion, nor did I get excited with glee by it.

All the best.

Oh, your concern about $10,000 courses or whatever is valid as no-one should pay so much for training or education.
  • #25,697
  • Nov 7, 2023 8:31pm Nov 7, 2023 8:31pm
Quoting Markula
{quote} not true but what they want you to think. fx can't be centralized the same way as futures, money is created endogenously mostly. this makes it harder to control, if some billionaire started trading orange juice, he'd easily manipulate the price. this isn't possible with fx.
Sorry, what do they want me to think Markula?
  • #25,698
  • Nov 7, 2023 8:39pm Nov 7, 2023 8:39pm
Quoting StreetPunk
started with MFF, lowest priced account, with discount, less than coffee/day for month. thx to montygoldy, didn't know that MFF exists, was actually planing to go with original MFF (their office is not far from me), but ..., first day almost blew up account, had this idea that ea will do the orders and I'll close them manually, guess what, didn't go well (opened away many orders on 2 many charts ), now recovering account slowly. Doing this for fun, hobby, if goes well will increase account. Don't think that making 1-2 %/day should be problem, manually...
Goodluck brother i am on same boat on funded account with them. In deep drawdown will recover slowly. I bought Myflashfunding coz of their Halloween discount really cheap 30% off. Now they are offering i guess 25%.
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  • #25,699
  • Nov 7, 2023 10:02pm Nov 7, 2023 10:02pm
Any news about MFF case ?
Intraday only.
  • #25,700
  • Nov 7, 2023 10:08pm Nov 7, 2023 10:08pm
Quoting navk
Any news about MFF case ?
MyForexFund?
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