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  • #1,208,361
  • Jan 17, 2022 9:56pm Jan 17, 2022 9:56pm
What just happened to USD?
  • #1,208,362
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:20pm Jan 17, 2022 10:20pm
Quoting phamlogg
What just happened to USD?
I saw the LLLH formation in GU. Liquidity grab maybe (1.3626 out)

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  • #1,208,363
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:24pm Jan 17, 2022 10:24pm
Quoting HTG
{quote} I'll chime in here, for those that dont know or trying to follow along in this thread about fundamentals, the fund rate is an interest rate and yes the FED sets it......its the target interest rate set by the FOMC. They meet a scheduled 8 times are year to set the fund rate. Federal Fund Rate/Interest rate....same thing. Information readily available online. Keep it simple. Are you guys trying to annoy each other or seriously going back and fourth about interest rates/funds rates and who sets them? Per your screen shot with the blue text,...
he's talking about the two rates ,who sets the 10 year cost of borrowing ?
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  • #1,208,364
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:28pm Jan 17, 2022 10:28pm
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Hi HTG. I think you and tech are on the same page from the posts of yours and his regarding the “FED’s interest rate”. Correct me if I misunderstand. It is becoming more and more evident that there are uneducated people here pretending to be traders who know it all because they have been here longer. Truth is they don’t know anything about trading. Some even attempted to open their first trading account in life and failed From Tech’s post {image}
name the interest rate that the fed control
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  • #1,208,365
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:39pm Jan 17, 2022 10:39pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} name the interest rate that the fed control
Yo dude, I am not the one using fundamentals in trading. You ask the wrong person, use your slow brain before you reply something.

Other members have already exposed your ignorance when trying to defy others’ knowledge on rates when you actually DON’T have a clue.

Other don’t need to be expert in fundamentals. We just need common sense to know your previous replies are not what the actual situation is.

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  • #1,208,366
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:42pm Jan 17, 2022 10:42pm
Quoting tommydoginti
{quote} Yo dude, I am not the one using fundamentals in trading. You ask the wrong person, use your slow brain before you reply something. Other members have already exposed your ignorance when trying to defy others’ knowledge on rates when you actually DON’T have a clue.
there you go, no matter what I say you will be there attacking even though you don't know the answer
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  • #1,208,367
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:43pm Jan 17, 2022 10:43pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} there you go, no matter what I say you will be there attacking even though you don't know the answer
Hey I was replying to HTG, not even talking to you nor mentioning your name in my reply to him. Get lost

What is wrong with you? Drug?

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  • #1,208,368
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:47pm Jan 17, 2022 10:47pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} there you go, no matter what I say you will be there attacking even though you don't know the answer
What is the difference between Fed funds rate and interest rate?
The fed funds rate is the interest rate that depository institutions—banks, savings and loans, and credit unions—charge each other for overnight loans. The discount rate is the interest rate that Federal Reserve Banks charge when they make collateralized loans—usually overnight—to depository institutions.


The federal funds rate is the central interest rate in the U.S. financial market. It influences other interest rates such as the prime rate, which is the rate banks charge their customers with higher credit ratings. Additionally, the federal funds rate indirectly influences longer- term interest rates such as mortgages, loans, and savings, all of which are very important to consumer wealth and confidence.
  • #1,208,369
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:52pm Jan 17, 2022 10:52pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} he's talking about the two rates ,who sets the 10 year cost of borrowing ? {image} {image}
The markets set this and price or yield if you will, is always changing. The 10 Year is closely watched by investors.
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  • #1,208,370
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:58pm Jan 17, 2022 10:58pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} he's talking about the two rates ,who sets the 10 year cost of borrowing ? {image} {image}
KEY TAKEAWAYS

  1. Interest rates are the cost of borrowing money and represent what creditors earn for lending money.
  2. Central banks raise or lower short-term interest rates to ensure stability and liquidity in the economy.
  3. Long-term interest rates are affected by demand for 10- and 30-year U.S. Treasury notes. Low demand for long-term notes leads to higher rates, while higher demand leads to lower rates.
  4. Retail banks also control rates based on the market, their business needs, and individual customers.
  5. Rates on individual loans are impacted by loan terms and credit rating.

  • #1,208,371
  • Jan 17, 2022 10:58pm Jan 17, 2022 10:58pm
Quoting HTG
{quote} The markets set this and price or yield if you will, is always changing. The 10 Year is closely watched by investors.
exactly the free market sets interest rates the fed control the fed funds rate ,its in the name
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  • #1,208,372
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:07pm Jan 17, 2022 11:07pm
Quoting Bones
{quote} exactly the free market sets interest rates the fed control the fed funds rate ,its in the name
Exactly, two different things.
  • #1,208,373
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:07pm Jan 17, 2022 11:07pm
the confusion is he's adding about the discount rate when thats not part of normal operations .to go to the fed for money means no one else will lend it
when they raise rates it will be the fed funds rate
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  • #1,208,374
  • Edited 11:33pm Jan 17, 2022 11:22pm | Edited 11:33pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} KEY TAKEAWAYS Interest rates are the cost of borrowing money and represent what creditors earn for lending money. Central banks raise or lower short-term interest rates to ensure stability and liquidity in the economy. Long-term interest rates are affected by demand for 10- and 30-year U.S. Treasury notes. Low demand for long-term notes leads to higher rates, while higher demand leads to lower rates. Retail banks also control rates based on the market, their business needs, and individual customers. Rates on individual loans are impacted...
Hi Tech,

Good to learn something.

I read that FED set 2 rates, discount and FFR. The effective FFR is the actual interest rate of loans between banks. This interest rate would then cascade to downstream interest rates (esp for customers) set by the banks. e.g. P is ~3% higher than FFR, saving is <FFR, etc.
The effective FFR is a mean to control cost of loaning thus manage the money supply in circulation and regulate financial market on top of other powers of FED if applicable (old memory from college Economy 101).

Discount rate is also an effective interest rate but between FED and banks.

So 2 rates and fitting the description from your post. Correct me if I am wrong.

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  • #1,208,375
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:27pm Jan 17, 2022 11:27pm
Quoting Techanalyst
{quote} What is the difference between Fed funds rate and interest rate? The fed funds rate is the interest rate that depository institutions—banks, savings and loans, and credit unions—charge each other for overnight loans. The discount rate is the interest rate that Federal Reserve Banks charge when they make collateralized loans—usually overnight—to depository institutions. The federal funds rate is the central interest rate in the U.S. financial market. It influences other interest rates such as the prime rate, which is the rate banks...
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So in a nutshell, the Fed funds rate is different to the market interest rate, but it has an influence on them to varying degrees?
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  • #1,208,376
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:28pm Jan 17, 2022 11:28pm
you don't need to worry about the fed ,they have rates at 0 % while inflation is 7%
the only thing holding that 10Y or any other timeframe down is QE
the cost of money is set totally by the free market when the fed are at 0%
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  • #1,208,377
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:36pm Jan 17, 2022 11:36pm
Quoting Bones
you don't need to worry about the fed ,they have rates at 0 % while inflation is 7% the only thing holding that 10Y or any other timeframe down is QE the cost of money is set totally by the free market when the fed are at 0%
Yawning. You have been schooled. You are not getting it. Macro analysis takes time to learn. We have been talking for hours about interest rate and you are still not getting it. Everything was explained to you. You are still not getting it. It will take time, start learning now, it will take you couple of months. Good luck on your journey.
Interest rates now is 0.25%. So not sure where you're confused, but you are.
  • #1,208,378
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:37pm Jan 17, 2022 11:37pm
why talk about the discount rate like thats the 'one ' we should be worried about
its designed to be used as a last resort ,thats how I know this guy is confused
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  • #1,208,379
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:39pm Jan 17, 2022 11:39pm
Quoting Bones
spoiler alert the free market price all interest rates while the fed control an overnight rate ,which is basically 0% right now QE holds these rates down as they taper this will go up ,which is exactly what I said all along ,thats the problem with the tapering to 0 that fast imo {image}
If these yields are climbing like you said they would, why do you think the USD should be going down?

Last year you were telling me (correctly), that as the yields rise, the USD will rise (which is precisely what is happening).

Are you basing your USD analysis solely on a bearish USD daily TL break just above major USD support and ignoring the yield chart?

The daily TL is shown to be a false break.
However, the weekly and monthly timeframes are yet to confirm this.
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  • #1,208,380
  • Jan 17, 2022 11:41pm Jan 17, 2022 11:41pm
Quoting Bones
you don't need to worry about the fed ,they have rates at 0 % while inflation is 7% the only thing holding that 10Y or any other timeframe down is QE the cost of money is set totally by the free market when the fed are at 0%
No that is wrong.

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