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  • #1,205,441
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:52pm Dec 3, 2021 2:52pm
Quoting forex-wolf
{quote} You are right when the turmoil begins, no one will ask us mere mortals. America will give money and the Turks will start a war, and all the other members will go on a parade. Then it will be difficult to stop. Hybrid warfare is already underway at different levels. Even here we are at war.
Military have the real worldwide power and the rules to follow are in Berna. Goverments are corporations and Mainstream media have the psicological power. Military worlwide have gone to Maritime law where we should have never come out
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  • #1,205,442
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:52pm Dec 3, 2021 2:52pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} Yeah exactly, so if you are going to blame us, don't forget to blame USA and Russia as well.
erdogan isn't expantionist? come on. lol.

like he listens to the us and russia.

and as mentioned russia is in syria by invitation, and as you i think mentioned to pretect their base there.
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  • #1,205,443
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:54pm Dec 3, 2021 2:54pm
You will all find out before 2032 whoever is still standing
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  • #1,205,444
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:55pm Dec 3, 2021 2:55pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} You should research that part about the islands a bit more mate. Some demilitarised islands are militarised and this was against those treaties.
being demilitarized or not has nothing to do with ownership. yes? All those islands were and are a part of Greece for thousands of years, and if mad dog erdi wasnt threatening greece with war with every speech and excuse, drumming up the nationalistic rhetoric then there would be no need for greece to take measures. What is threatened is defended. simple. It was prudent of Greece to do just that.
  • #1,205,445
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:55pm Dec 3, 2021 2:55pm
erdogan might not even exist but you see him on tv
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  • #1,205,446
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:57pm Dec 3, 2021 2:57pm
Quoting Mcbeaners
{quote} if you know the history behind crimea, then you'd know they just took back what was always theirs. there was a vote there by the people to rejoin russia. not a great one but almost all the people came out to vote. other than that where else have they invaded?
It all started with the collapse of the USSR, when the Crimea was taken from Russia, and annexed to Ukraine under the ruler of the USSR after Stalin, I don’t remember the last name, in my opinion he was a Urainian. Because of this, we are now all on the brink of war with Russia.
  • #1,205,447
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:58pm Dec 3, 2021 2:58pm
Quoting Mcbeaners
{quote} if you know the history behind crimea, then you'd know they just took back what was always theirs. there was a vote there by the people to rejoin russia. not a great one but almost all the people came out to vote. other than that where else have they invaded?
Okay if we are going to go to the history behind Crimea then it became Ottoman land in 1500-1600s and remained that way for few centuries. I hate Ottoman Empire btw so don't even dare try to hit me from there.

And if we look at the near past, all of Ukraine was in the hands of Russians during the Soviet era.

Lands move to different hands. Strong one takes it. That's all. And the problem is, we don't want a strong Russia. Not just as Turkey but as a NATO country.
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  • #1,205,448
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:59pm Dec 3, 2021 2:59pm
Quoting forex-wolf
{quote} It all started with the collapse of the USSR, when the Crimea was taken from Russia, and annexed to Ukraine under the ruler of the USSR after Stalin, I don’t remember the last name, in my opinion he was a Urainian. Because of this, we are now all on the brink of war with Russia.
it was given to the ukriane by Khrushchev in 54.

long before the colapse.

https://www.biography.com/political-...ita-khrushchev

he was russian.
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  • #1,205,449
  • Dec 3, 2021 2:59pm Dec 3, 2021 2:59pm
Quoting pamc
{quote} being demilitarized or not has nothing to do with ownership. yes? All those islands were and are a part of Greece for thousands of years, and if mad dog erdi wasnt threatening greece with war with every speech and excuse, drumming up the nationalistic rhetoric then there would be no need for greece to take measures. What is threatened is defended. simple. It was prudent of Greece to do just that.
Greece, no offense but remilitarized the islands which was against the treaties between Turkey and Greece. That is unlawful. That's it. It has nothing to do with Erdogan. Those treaties were done 90 years ago.
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  • #1,205,450
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:02pm Dec 3, 2021 3:02pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} Okay if we are going to go to the history behind Crimea then it became Ottoman land in 1500-1600s and remained that way for few centuries. I hate Ottoman Empire btw so don't even dare try to hit me from there. And if we look at the near past, all of Ukraine was in the hands of Russians during the Soviet era. Lands move to different hands. Strong one takes it. That's all. And the problem is, we don't want a strong Russia. Not just as Turkey but as a NATO country.
everything they have done to date, doesn't say we want to expand. at least to me.

they could have taken back the 3 other states that were given to the ukraine. but didn't. just crimea as its critical to them.
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  • #1,205,451
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:02pm Dec 3, 2021 3:02pm
this is what we are going through right now, even at this thread

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  • #1,205,452
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:03pm Dec 3, 2021 3:03pm
for the record i have spent some time studying the syrian war, and the other wars happening currently. its a personal interest of mine.
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  • #1,205,453
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:04pm Dec 3, 2021 3:04pm
Guys, let us do you a favour and erase the country called Turkey from the earth.

And Poland will defend you against Russia. I am sure it can. And i am sure Russia will be so kind to you.

Don't think you can rely on USA in every matter. Their power have limits too. Study what happened to Poland and Czechoslovakia after WW2. They were with Allies but they were left alone and given to Russia.
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  • #1,205,454
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:05pm Dec 3, 2021 3:05pm
Quoting Mcbeaners
{quote} everything they have done to date, doesn't say we want to expand. at least to me. they could have taken back the 3 other states that were given to the ukraine. but didn't. just crimea as its critical to them.
Because they are facing severe pressure from the whole world. Did you see what happened to the Russian economy and Russian Ruble when they first took Crimea?
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  • #1,205,455
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:06pm Dec 3, 2021 3:06pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} Okay if we are going to go to the history behind Crimea then it became Ottoman land in 1500-1600s and remained that way for few centuries. I hate Ottoman Empire btw so don't even dare try to hit me from there. And if we look at the near past, all of Ukraine was in the hands of Russians during the Soviet era. Lands move to different hands. Strong one takes it. That's all. And the problem is, we don't want a strong Russia. Not just as Turkey but as a NATO country.
At the expense of the Crimea, you are mistaken, it belonged in those days to the Crimean (Tatars) Khanate. Russia paid tribute to the Crimean Khan until 1720. She entered under the wing of the Ottoman Empire after the fall of the Khanate.

Before the annexation of Crimea, we had no idea what kind of island Crimea was.
  • #1,205,456
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} Because they are facing severe pressure from the whole world. Did you see what happened to the Russian economy and Russian Ruble when they first took Crimea?
its called asystemic war. all sides are doing it. we are in a new (been around for few years now) cold war.
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  • #1,205,457
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm
Quoting forex-wolf
{quote} You yourself broke this rule when you made a screen from another pair, not the euro / dollar. Give me -1. Trading is over on Friday.
No rule was broken. Why are you stretching it about Turkey?
  • #1,205,458
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm Dec 3, 2021 3:07pm
Quoting Nordling00
{quote} Greece, no offense but remilitarized the islands which was against the treaties between Turkey and Greece. That is unlawful. That's it. It has nothing to do with Erdogan. Those treaties were done 90 years ago.
yes but only after turkeys casus belli at every opportunity. Turkey was always planning on militarily invading all those islands at different points. Thats recorded. Now its not so simple.
  • #1,205,459
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:14pm Dec 3, 2021 3:14pm
i need to go to the shops and get some alcohol, so we can get this really discussion moving....

it helps with my word use
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  • #1,205,460
  • Dec 3, 2021 3:19pm Dec 3, 2021 3:19pm
Quoting pamc
{quote} yes but only after turkeys casus belli at every opportunity. Turkey was always planning on militarily invading all those islands at different points. Thats recorded. Now its not so simple.
We have defeated the Greece army (almost fully erased it) in our Independence War. We could easily ask for those islands in 1923 but we didn't. We could take Western Thrace back easily but we didn't. Who could stop Turkey from doing that in that war?

Idk about Erdogan and his supporters but we, the modern part of Turkey have no hostility against Greece. Not much, in few years Erdogan is going to lose the next elections and we will have our long awaited modern government. We are currently planing to change the presidency system into a stronger parliamentary system as well.

When that day comes, i am sure we will recover the relationships with our neighbours. We are no threat to the Greece, which is also another Nato ally, and they should demilitarise these islands again because we have a treaty that is signed when Turkey was found.
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