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  • #61
  • Edited 5:47pm May 19, 2020 10:01am | Edited 5:47pm
Quoting hayseed
2500 would be all it would take.... next earnings release is 7/23 so plenty of time.... just a side line distraction at this point.....h //-----
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scratch that amzn idea entirely..... will not consider it again....

began shorting the qqq's today.... edit---out of the money june 2020 200's.....----edit.... had typed wrong month and year

options were my second way at losing money...... wide open risk here.....h
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out oil at this point with only 307 shares of ccr left.... will buy back ect, per and hlx probably beginning next week....
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  • #62
  • May 19, 2020 6:01pm May 19, 2020 6:01pm
Quoting hayseed
began shorting the qqq's today.... out of the money june 2020 200's.....
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not sure what went on after i walked outside..... had been in the red a few dollars.... that changed.....

no real thinking involved.... just buy limits orders on the penny down to 1.10..... bought all the way down to 1.14.....

have 14 total.... if the markets gap down tomorrow i'll get out....

hard to say what might happen.....h
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  • #63
  • May 28, 2020 2:13pm May 28, 2020 2:13pm
shorting both again.... will add 10 on each every 100 points up..... limiting my total input combined to 10k...... roughly doing the math, my take is we will see the nas at 9k before we see it at 10k.....

will take a 2k loss.....h
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  • #64
  • Jun 2, 2020 9:58am Jun 2, 2020 9:58am
Quoting hayseed
shorting both again.... will add 10 on each every 100 points up..... limiting my total input combined to 10k...... roughly doing the math, my take is we will see the nas at 9k before we see it at 10k..... will take a 2k loss.....h //-
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there is a saying we all know, the markets can remain irrational longer than you can stay solvent.... that is quite often true.....

in my case here it is not completely.....

the the markets can remain irrational longer part is true..... my assuming the markets are irrational means nothing...... i could be wrong..... i might be the irrational one.....

the longer than you can stay solvent is not true, here in this case..... not because of my account size, but because i have a defined preset loss limit before hand.....

if the nasdaq rises non stop to 20,000, i will still be solvent.....

wrong but solvent.... and $2000 poorer.....
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falling further in the hole here..... no change in my plans...... yet......h
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  • #65
  • Jun 5, 2020 9:10am Jun 5, 2020 9:10am
doubled today...... my open loss that is......h
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  • #66
  • Jun 7, 2020 1:58am Jun 7, 2020 1:58am
Wondering if I would try my strategy on stocks, would it react well the same how forex does.
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  • #67
  • Jun 7, 2020 9:57am Jun 7, 2020 9:57am
Quoting PrinceJ58
Wondering if I would try my strategy on stocks, would it react well the same how forex does.
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hey prince..... hard to say....

there are considerable more factors in stock tradings that can help or hurt a strategy.....

a system that never fails on ibm, intc, csco and such might seldom win on hlx or hal.....

volume, institutional ownership , component of index, and such can be a factor.....

if trading things like the dia, spy or q's, most anything that works in forex should work with them.....

some of the stocks mentioned in this thread are now worth over 4 times my entry's...... that is not common..... this is a very rare event......

trading in times like the past few months has more to do with composure, common sense and time spent in the markets..... less to to with trading system.....

next year my stock trading returns will be average at best.....h
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  • #68
  • Jun 8, 2020 2:37am Jun 8, 2020 2:37am
Quoting hayseed
{quote} //----- hey prince..... hard to say.... there are considerable more factors in stock tradings that can help or hurt a strategy..... a system that never fails on ibm, intc, csco and such might seldom win on hlx or hal..... volume, institutional ownership , component of index, and such can be a factor..... if trading things like the dia, spy or q's, most anything that works in forex should work with them..... some of the stocks mentioned in this thread are now worth over 4 times my entry's...... that is not common..... this is a very rare...
I see there is a lot to think about... continue working what's working.
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  • #69
  • Jun 9, 2020 12:57pm Jun 9, 2020 12:57pm
Quoting hayseed
roughly doing the math, my take is we will see the nas at 9k before we see it at 10k.....
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using the logic...... if a tree falls in a forest and nobody is there to hear it, it makes no sound......

maybe if i close my eyes and don't see it, it really will not be there......

course, that red in my account is in plain sight.....h
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  • #70
  • Jun 9, 2020 3:06pm Jun 9, 2020 3:06pm
Hi Hayseed,

can you please help me to modify below indicator.

i need up one blue color .. not able to modify. find attached Mt4 indicator
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  • #71
  • Jun 9, 2020 5:05pm Jun 9, 2020 5:05pm
Quoting sandipnegi
Hi Hayseed, can you please help me to modify below indicator. i need up one blue color .. not able to modify. find attached Mt4 indicator
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hey sandy..... not completely clear on what you mean.... seems your wanting a second line a set distance from the first....

when i wrote the indicator you posted, 'start' was not a mq4 reserved word.... it is reserved now.... instead of 'start' i now use 'startprice'......

if you leave 'startprice' at 0.0, it will begin from the current bid price.....

the version below will plot 2 lines with the second line being offset by the input pips1.... h
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  • #72
  • Jun 9, 2020 9:54pm Jun 9, 2020 9:54pm
Thanks for replying,

i need like below image. The rule is as below

1. Buy above green line, SL will be red line, target will be upper Red line. You can reverse tarder over thr, SL above green line
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  • #73
  • Jun 11, 2020 10:10pm Jun 11, 2020 10:10pm
Quoting hayseed
shorting both again.... will add 10 on each every 100 points up..... limiting my total input combined to 10k...... roughly doing the math, my take is we will see the nas at 9k before we see it at 10k..... will take a 2k loss.....h
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that was 2 weeks ago..... have to admit it really surprised that it took two weeks to fall and that the nas actually broke 10,000.... though i was glad to see it break 10k.....

my wait was worthwhile..... the market bought back half my positions back today..... good chance they might pay up to my price tomorrow and take the rest.....

will not re-short this month.....

will begin buying back those oil stocks...... odds are they will not fall to my lowest entrys a few months ago, but that is fine with me..... not opposed to repeatedly buying and selling them.... several of those oil stocks tripled in less than 60 days..... they will again.....

will also be little more active in forex..... my focus there will be on the cad due to it's tie with oil.....

expect the negative nancys to again be in the lime light..... they say bad news sells...... well i ain't buying it......

my money will be buying oil......h
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  • #74
  • Jun 17, 2020 2:39pm Jun 17, 2020 2:39pm
Quoting hayseed
{quote} will not re-short this month..... will begin buying back those oil stocks...... odds are they will not fall to my lowest entrys a few months ago, but that is fine with me..... not opposed to repeatedly buying and selling them......h
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reconsidering my decision to not re-short..... began buying sqqq's yesterday..... my max input should be 10k.....

currently holding 208$ in losses in one forex account..... once those clear i will move that money back to stocks/sqqq's.....

will likely rock between sqqq's, oil stocks and forex...... which ever holds the best potential at the time.....

my original thoughts were to buy and hold for 3 to 6 months...... has turned into a almost day by day or week by week deal......

musical chairs......h
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  • #75
  • Jun 18, 2020 2:14pm Jun 18, 2020 2:14pm
Quoting hayseed
currently holding 208$ in losses in one forex account..... once those clear i will move that money back to stocks/sqqq's..... will likely rock between sqqq's, oil stocks and forex...... which ever holds the best potential at the time.....
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they say never short a dull market..... nasdaq has hardly moved 60 points all day.....

ect was down more than 10% earlier..... that's more my style..... bought 1000 so far, bids lower still..... would like to have 4000..... bought and sold this several times past few months.....

still holding losses in that forex account..... audusd and nzdusd might change mind about swinging it all into sqqq's..... daily alma/tsr cross is reason for my hesitation..... eurjpy also..... can see possibly several hundred open orders by next monday.....

forex might might hold greater potential that the sqqq's over the next 2 weeks.....h
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  • #76
  • Jun 19, 2020 2:26pm Jun 19, 2020 2:26pm
Quoting hayseed
ect was down more than 10% earlier..... that's more my style.....
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let the ect go today..... only made 20$..... will explain that move later...... only holding sqqq now.....

it's been a fight all week..... as jerry clower once said, 'just shoot up here amongst us, because one of us needs a break'......

markets winding down and the sawmill is calling..... need to get back to work on my latest project.....h
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  • #77
  • Jun 24, 2020 11:56am Jun 24, 2020 11:56am
Quoting hayseed
//---- let the ect go today..... only made 20$..... will explain that move later...... only holding sqqq now.....
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sold that ect for i believe .50, with thoughts of buying it back at .45...... the spread is often wide and volume can be low..... that's perfect conditions for 10% per trade.....

finally..... let almost all sqqq's go today.... bought too much too quick..... still holding a few hundred...... made enough for 2000 ect shares free @ 0.45..... ect now around 0.46 ..... bought 500 @ 0.47 just for the sake of buying.....

low bids are in for both ect and per..... looking for 10,000 shares max in each..... my total input will be less than 8k.....
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today is my first good day in forex in over a week..... that 15 minute us/china trade news flash counter flash set me back the other night.....

my own fault though.....h
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  • #78
  • Jun 25, 2020 12:00pm Jun 25, 2020 12:00pm
Quoting hayseed
finally..... let almost all sqqq's go today.... bought too much too quick..... still holding a few hundred......
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let the rest of the sqqq's go this morning at 8.15 ..... buying them back now..... started at 7.85 which was filled at bid..... buys on the dime down.....

ect is playin hard ball.... have 2500 shares now..... with 2000 share open buylimits in on the penny down..... seems minor, but only a nickel per share is over 10% return in a matter of days.... extrapolate that......
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gbpjpy appears to be building steam.....h
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  • #79
  • Jun 26, 2020 9:36am Jun 26, 2020 9:36am
Quoting hayseed
let the rest of the sqqq's go this morning at 8.15 ..... buying them back now..... started at 7.85 which was filled at bid..... buys on the dime down...... seems minor, but only a nickel per share is over 10% return in a matter of days.... extrapolate that...... //------ gbpjpy appears to be building steam.....h
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well dang..... that didn't last long..... giving them the chance to buy everything back this morning.... would be surprised it they did not..... should clear nearly 300$.....

will immediately place buys lower to reenter..... ect for sure....

gbpjpy trades closed.... looks like it still has room to fall.... might reenter there also..... perhaps cadjpy.....
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the world is not ending.... opportunities still exist for those willing to stay positive....

it's our choice.... mine is was easy one.....h
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everything sold while writing this.... will begin buying back ect lower.....
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  • #80
  • Jun 26, 2020 10:48am Jun 26, 2020 10:48am
Quoting hayseed
h //------ everything sold while writing this.... will begin buying back ect lower.....
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having watch lists with alerts can help on days like this.... buy the best on weakness....

that weakness might just be in sympathy of the overall market falling..... or it might be just someone unloading a ton of shares for some obscure reason.....

once you learn the particular stocks range, you can trade in and out of the range..... in the case of low volume stocks place limit orders just inside that range.... do not buy at the ask..... do not sell at the bid..... do the opposite.....

so for a very rough example...... if something has a bid at 0.460 and a ask at 0.490, it's common for someone to buy at the ask, .49..... my preference is to place a buy at 0.465..... this makes me the best price..... i will be filled prior to the bid...... later do similar when i sell them back.... place my sell slightly under current ask..... this gives me a extra 5% return for doing the opposite......

will begin placing low bids on hlx again today.... my ect buys are on the board now....h
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