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  • #2,561
  • Jan 19, 2020 11:14am Jan 19, 2020 11:14am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Ok Sohocool I will ..... again DAX The Future Liine of Demarcation 32 (FLD 32) - Price Action offsetted 16 points forward in the future - acting as Support or Resistance {image}
Hi Parisboy

Thank you very much for all this FLD documentation.

We can use momentum Histo to see the price position relative to FLD.

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  • Jan 19, 2020 11:22am Jan 19, 2020 11:22am
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  • #2,563
  • Jan 19, 2020 3:26pm Jan 19, 2020 3:26pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} it seems ok to me Ace the aim and utility of an Envelope is to "envelope" most of Price Action - that is the first rule hence you do what you have to do to reach this target

Parisboy, Thank you for your time in helping me to understand the envelopes method. I will be using the EMA's of 256, 128 & 32 as I can scale each & they have a centerline such as your charts are showing.

To the new traders that stumble across this thread, you would be most wise to dig into each page of this thread & learn what Parisboy & others are taking their time to share with you. You could very well save yourself much time & many pips to learn this method before taking yourself down a dark & lonely path possibly losing much before you enter the light again. Just my views & nothing more all in my most humble opinion.

Parisboy, even though I trade another method, what your sharing has several similarities to my way & appeals to me very much after I have spent many months following along with you & others. This method has Hurst, Gann & Murrey all mixed together, but I would say Gann is the leader as he came along first. I will set aside 1 -2 pairs to trade using the envelopes. Will now step aside & follow along on the sideline unless I have other questions or something to share. Many thanks to you Parisboy for shining some light on what can be a very dark path at times.
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  • Jan 24, 2020 4:03am Jan 24, 2020 4:03am
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  • Jan 24, 2020 10:20am Jan 24, 2020 10:20am
EURUSD 5 mn

Short on the Way

As Long as the Descending Valid Trend Line (VTL) - 58° (in red) is not broken on the Upside, the Trend is bearish

A Valid Trend Line links 2 Tops or 2 Lows of the same nature, degree, order
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  • #2,572
  • Jan 25, 2020 8:58am Jan 25, 2020 8:58am
Parisboy,
I have several cycles/envelope questions that I have been pondering.

1. Are the levels of 256, 128 & 32 more significant that other levels such as 200, 100 & 32, or others? I have looked at these & they seem to capture the cycles.

2. Would you advise trading say the 15M time frame only, or observe the cycles across other time frames such as the 30M, 1HR, 4HR & the Daily & trade accordingly? I noticed you post charts will a broad range of time frames.

3. Do you use any other confirmation (indicators etc) other than the envelopes in your trading as I've never noticed any others on your charts.

Your response is always much appreciated.
  • #2,573
  • Jan 25, 2020 11:19am Jan 25, 2020 11:19am
Quoting acetrader
Parisboy, I have several cycles/envelope questions that I have been pondering. 1. Are the levels of 256, 128 & 32 more significant that other levels such as 200, 100 & 32, or others? I have looked at these & they seem to capture the cycles. 2. Would you advise trading say the 15M time frame only, or observe the cycles across other time frames such as the 30M, 1HR, 4HR & the Daily & trade accordingly? I noticed you post charts will a broad range of time frames. 3. Do you use any other confirmation (indicators etc) other than the envelopes...
Hi Ace

thank you for your very good questions

you can trade whatever Time Unit you prefer or choose with the Triad Enveloppe System.

But 15 mn generates only 4 bars or candlesticks per hour which is relatively slow.

For trading I alway check on a regular basis the 2 adjacent upper Time Units to see the Underlying Trend

Why 2 because Hurst wrote that the operative Underlying Trend was the sum of the 2 cycles whose period is greater than that of the period of the Cycle you trade.

Hence if you trade the 15 mn Time Frames, I would check the 30 mn and the 1 Hr Time Frame.

My advice is to open a demo account and to trade the 5mn (12 bars / hour) or the 1 mn (60 bars / hour) TO PRACTICE

This way you will endlessly observe the same patterns, and test your decisions.

Do not forget too at the end of the trading day to do a post mortem = to analyze what you should have done this will help you to define your own "rules"
  • #2,574
  • Jan 25, 2020 11:25am Jan 25, 2020 11:25am
Quoting acetrader
Parisboy, I have several cycles/envelope questions that I have been pondering. 1. Are the levels of 256, 128 & 32 more significant that other levels such as 200, 100 & 32, or others? I have looked at these & they seem to capture the cycles. 2. Would you advise trading say the 15M time frame only, or observe the cycles across other time frames such as the 30M, 1HR, 4HR & the Daily & trade accordingly? I noticed you post charts will a broad range of time frames. 3. Do you use any other confirmation (indicators etc) other than the envelopes in your...
I do not use others indicators on the main chart. Because there is enough levels to check - at least 9

For reversal confirmation I use :

a) the proximity of the enveloppe or centered moving averages limits - 9 limits
b) AND together the change of color of the Heiki Ashi candlesticks from red (bearish) to green (bullish) and conversely

I use also 2 other tools Centered Moving Average Crossings and Future Line of Demarcation
  • #2,575
  • Jan 25, 2020 11:30am Jan 25, 2020 11:30am
Quoting acetrader
Parisboy, I have several cycles/envelope questions that I have been pondering. 1. Are the levels of 256, 128 & 32 more significant that other levels such as 200, 100 & 32, or others? I have looked at these & they seem to capture the cycles. 2. Would you advise trading say the 15M time frame only, or observe the cycles across other time frames such as the 30M, 1HR, 4HR & the Daily & trade accordingly? I noticed you post charts will a broad range of time frames. 3. Do you use any other confirmation (indicators etc) other than the envelopes...

Ace could you post some charts that we could compare.

The 256 / 128 / 32 system is " robust, but not bad ". It is a very good system operative for all financial support and all Time Frames

It is use because of its structural proximity with the musical OCtave
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  • Jan 25, 2020 1:44pm Jan 25, 2020 1:44pm
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  • #2,577
  • Jan 25, 2020 5:17pm Jan 25, 2020 5:17pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Ace could you post some charts that we could compare. The 256 / 128 / 32 system is " robust, but not bad ". It is a very good system operative for all financial support and all Time Frames It is use because of its structural proximity with the musical OCtave {image} {image}
Parisboy,
Thank you for those informative responses. I thought the reason for the 256, 128 & 32 was because of the musical octave. Another question now comes to mind after the mention of the musical octaves.

1. Would using Murrey Math be the same as the Envelopes? When I put the two together on a chart they look identical.

Sorry for many questions, but trying to learn. It is all coming together.

I will post up a chart.
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  • Jan 26, 2020 7:25am Jan 26, 2020 7:25am
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  • #2,579
  • Jan 27, 2020 5:11am Jan 27, 2020 5:11am
Hello Alain, sorry in advance for my comments. Dont want to be agressive, just want to understand :

Mid band trading = this is just price crossing a 32, 64 and 256 moving average. Moreover, I find more efficient the 240 moving average than the 256 « octave ». Sorry, 240 means nothing.

Edge band trading = works good on range market, difficult and dangerous on trend market. Dont resolve the classic problem of trading : Am i on range or trending market now ? you only know after the facts.

VTL = dont need the enveloppes to draw VTL, you can do it easily on a nude chart. I understand the different values (depending on the bands) but dont resolve the classic problem of trading trend lines. Sometimes it works, sometimes dont, cross then pull back.

FLD = results are better or quite the same with a classic cross of the ma (mid bands trading) than the crossing of FLD.

Sorry again for this questions, this is my contrarian spirit.

Green pips.
Bottomless wonders spring from simple rules, which are repeated without end
  • #2,580
  • Jan 27, 2020 5:17am Jan 27, 2020 5:17am
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