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  • #10,301
  • Dec 10, 2018 1:30pm Dec 10, 2018 1:30pm
Quoting LeanhoneyJD
{quote} good call where did you put stops? do you have a target? goodstuf
i dont put stops when i use FF charts lol
i think i will take profit at 1.1290
  • #10,302
  • Dec 11, 2018 1:39am Dec 11, 2018 1:39am
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  • #10,303
  • Dec 11, 2018 3:39am Dec 11, 2018 3:39am
- SM close their longs with the buy stop losses of the DM shorts, then the SM reverse and become short and sell using the sell stops of the DM longs who placed their stop losses at a fake support?
  • #10,304
  • Dec 11, 2018 4:16am Dec 11, 2018 4:16am
in the scammer thread ruled by trolls they say im lying about my short on eur/usd i took LOL
here the proof :
http://www.noelshack.com/2018-50-2-1...-euro-0-01.png
  • #10,305
  • Dec 11, 2018 4:24am Dec 11, 2018 4:24am
Quoting JennyMK
- SM close their longs with the buy stop losses of the DM shorts, then the SM reverse and become short and sell using the sell stops of the DM longs who placed their stop losses at a fake support?
DM's are more likely to enter at support and have stops below previous low, and then move SL up too early.
  • #10,306
  • Dec 11, 2018 4:40am Dec 11, 2018 4:40am
If the SM engineer an upmove with higher highs and higher lows, the DM will place their SL at the levels the SM engineered for them?
  • #10,307
  • Dec 11, 2018 7:27am Dec 11, 2018 7:27am
Quoting JennyMK
If the SM engineer an upmove with higher highs and higher lows, the DM will place their SL at the levels the SM engineered for them?
They can't engineer a move that's FF bullshit, they can put a load of money in the market hoping to get a result, but they can't engineer a move.

FF paranoia, he thinks everyone and everything is against him, and SM are unlikely to move the market, they will just collect from DM.
  • #10,308
  • Dec 11, 2018 7:44am Dec 11, 2018 7:44am
Quoting Bushy
{quote} They can't engineer a move that's FF bullshit, they can put a load of money in the market hoping to get a result, but they can't engineer a move. FF paranoia, he thinks everyone and everything is against him, and SM are unlikely to move the market, they will just collect from DM.
Interesting comment Bushy I have read that the SM can engineer uptrends and downtrends in order to induce DM buying and selling, this would mean that the market is created and carved out by the SM.

If the SM have unlimited capital and are the top ten banks in the world for example, is it possible that they can and do engineer the chart to exactly where they want it?

Quoting GrosDesco
placed a short on EUR/USD at 1.14412 now i wait
Hello GrosDesco

Congratulations on your EURUSD short. I would be very interested in your EURUSD short trade, please would you be willing to share if you sold according to the principles picked up in this thread? If you could post your trade analysis that would be really helpful for others to see how you thought about it and why you sold, if possible?
  • #10,309
  • Dec 11, 2018 8:16am Dec 11, 2018 8:16am
Quoting Bushy
{quote} They can't engineer a move that's FF bullshit, they can put a load of money in the market hoping to get a result, but they can't engineer a move.
Hello Bushy
There is a trader who posts here in this thread who stated that the SM engineered an uptrend to induce DM buyers in order for the SM to process their short sell orders. Over the next few days I watched that market decline 272 points whilst the SM sold off.

Which led me to the question can the SM engineer upmoves and downmoves? To me it looks as if the market is completely engineered, however without the ability to read the SM stop loss processing, I am none the wiser, but end up with even more questions...

How to read the stop loss order processing on the chart is a good question, I wonder also if there are candlesticks and volume patterns which would allow us to gauge the amount left over to process before turning in the opposite direction, such as in order flow studies or volume based analysis, these are some of the areas I think we would need to look in.
  • #10,310
  • Dec 11, 2018 8:27am Dec 11, 2018 8:27am
i took profit at 1.1387
i see big stop loss accumulation at 1.1300 but i got the feeling it will push another time to 1.1460
  • #10,311
  • Dec 11, 2018 8:31am Dec 11, 2018 8:31am
now im placing two shorts on USDCAD
one at 1.3460 and one at 1.3475
got the feeling they will push one last time to these levels and then big dump
i dont have fresh data on usdcad to help me for taking decisions but i suppose the stops of the shorties are between 1.3460 and 1.3490
  • #10,312
  • Dec 11, 2018 9:37am Dec 11, 2018 9:37am
Quoting GrosDesco
now im placing two shorts on USDCAD one at 1.3460 and one at 1.3475 got the feeling they will push one last time to these levels and then big dump i dont have fresh data on usdcad to help me for taking decisions but i suppose the stops of the shorties are between 1.3460 and 1.3490
From where are you getting these levels not that FF is not posting charts?
  • #10,313
  • Edited 10:54am Dec 11, 2018 10:37am | Edited 10:54am
Quoting Merka
{quote} From where are you getting these levels not that FF is not posting charts?
Merka the closest levels on Loonie ... no need TimeTells charts LOL
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  • #10,314
  • Dec 11, 2018 11:09am Dec 11, 2018 11:09am
Quoting JennyMK
{quote} Hello Bushy There is a trader who posts here in this thread who stated that the SM engineered an uptrend to induce DM buyers in order for the SM to process their short sell orders. Over the next few days I watched that market decline 272 points whilst the SM sold off. Which led me to the question can the SM engineer upmoves and downmoves? To me it looks as if the market is completely engineered, however without the ability to read the SM stop loss processing, I am none the wiser, but end up with even more questions... How to read the stop...
No one will ever be able to quote this stuff as facts, all we can do is draw our own conclusions.

Current estimates are that FX turnover is over $5 trillion daily, so what would it take to manipulate that? mmmmm...….?????

DM will trade instinctively and intuitively, they will keep making the same mistakes over and over again, how much manipulation does it take to profit from that? It's about one group of traders having a good idea what the other group is doing.

Oanda is one of the biggest FX brokers, it publishes it's order book, i.e. Stops and orders, it will go a long way to help you.
  • #10,315
  • Dec 11, 2018 11:11am Dec 11, 2018 11:11am
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  • #10,316
  • Dec 11, 2018 12:17pm Dec 11, 2018 12:17pm
Quoting Bushy
{quote} Oanda is one of the biggest FX brokers, it publishes it's order book, i.e. Stops and orders, it will go a long way to help you.
the same time Oanda is one of the biggest retail bucket shop that just about 100% of the time takes the other side of the trade...and just about the average 70%+ of its traders are losers, same like most other broker's.

do you think in reality that "order book" and "stops" more or less likely to benefit Oanda? will they publish it if it would damage their bottom line, for real?
there is always, always another trade!!
  • #10,317
  • Dec 11, 2018 2:02pm Dec 11, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting profitfarmer
{quote} the same time Oanda is one of the biggest retail bucket shop that just about 100% of the time takes the other side of the trade...and just about the average 70%+ of its traders are losers, same like most other broker's. do you think in reality that "order book" and "stops" more or less likely to benefit Oanda? will they publish it if it would damage their bottom line, for real?

The market is mostly driven by psychology, the Oanda orders and positions offer a glimpse of that psychology, I don't abide by it, I use it, it helps as part of my trading plan, look at a chart and identify DM entries. stops etc, Oanda indicator will match, so it saves having to do think about it and do it manually and does a better job than me, well it's more reliable and less subjective anyway.
  • #10,318
  • Dec 11, 2018 2:14pm Dec 11, 2018 2:14pm
Crikey guys, I just want to go back to lurking again on this Forum. It suits my nature best lol.

But I get up this morning after a hellish torrid battle with SM and find the grubby ones (for want of a better word, sorry) over at that cesspool of a SCAM thread had moved on from attacking me to now attacking GrosDeco. So maybe we are both Fractal reborn.

For goodness sakes lol.

When I first lurked on this thread 3 months ago there were many (I can’t remember names these days lol) but the ones I noticed most were firstly Bushy, then later Peterrr and GrosDeco.

They seemed to have grasped the picture of SM that Fractal was showing.

So I am unlurked for a moment as I’ve had a breather on the stool between rounds lol but we’re back in the ring for another go at it, it seems .

At trying to show others the PROCESS that Fractal seemed to be talking about.
  • #10,319
  • Dec 11, 2018 2:17pm Dec 11, 2018 2:17pm
I usually take a screenshot of trades (winning and losing) to reflect & learn from them later on as to what I did right or (often) wrong.

Last night’s torrid battle with SM lasted almost twelve hours, though most of it was watching & managing the trade.

Like they used to say in the old days before the Wrestling Shows

– KIDS, DON’T TRY THIS AT HOME.

What I’m happy to show of my private trading life is not highly advanced stuff (elite traders will not even be interested) and it does take knowledge of how to work within the mystery’s of this FX game.

I will give thanks later to those generous thread originators who showed us what they had learned which has helped me immensely in my own long journey to understand how to take a (small) profit from trading.
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  • #10,320
  • Dec 11, 2018 2:20pm Dec 11, 2018 2:20pm
This trade, based on an extended format of what I wrote earlier on this thread (1000 = 0.1 lot, with 5 x 0.02), included eight entries in my basket of trades.

(There were also 4 other entries where I took smaller profits off the table manually before babysitting & fighting the final deep SM assault).

And well done to any skilled traders who achieve a 2:1 or 3:1 or higher R:R, my hat is off to your excellent entry points. I am no where near you guys are yet.

The total R:R (risk to reward) on this trade was a tick over 1:1

The total drawdown was 2.5% of my a/c equity.

The total profit in the end was 3 days of my daily target. (Well a weekly target divided by five that is).

The highest pip run against this trade by SM was around 40 pips. Wow. Way above what mainstream trading books will say it correct to endure.

Of course SM would support the statement that a trader would have closed out for a loss by now.

And before people correctly state that it is ridiculous to have such a trade go against you, I AGREE.

This can only be done by KNOWING that SM were directly targeting DM.

Unless you know the entry point of DM (like on what we saw on Fractals charts) most of the time the rest of us will end up being DM, that is the name of the game it seems.

Don’t be daunted by this, you can still get out at the other end intact. And maybe with a profit.

But you CAN’T just take a position run AGAINST you - if it ISN’T an SM hunt.

If it’s a major trend shift or a Central Bank cash intervention then you are TOAST. Big losses. Don’t try this at home lol without knowledge.

But in this trade, if I closed out at the top point of the SM hunt I would have suffered a 2.5% drawdown on my a/c. Which would then take me 3 days to reclaim that loss. It’s a tough game we play in FX.
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