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More lines on his charts now ?

FRAC

Trade NFP live?

Safe Kidda
JD

Thing is Bushy, I understand what you say, but not long ago you guys were complaining about FF's followers being spoon fed by the guru etc. Now the complaints have shifted to he is not spoon feeding with the nitty gritty.
Firstly FF is explaining ideas, concepts and theory. Secondly he is showing charts to back his theory. I do not think he is trying to teach anyone how to trade, because that is something completely different...
I have friends who have asked me to teach them how to trade and I told them it's impossible in my opinion. All I can do is provide them with the basics, theory, concepts, basic rules, basic risk and money management etc. You have to teach yourself how to trade at the end of the day. I've seen to many people fail after a course, mentoring sessions, trading workshops etc. All these things are good but you have to bring it all together yourself.
What FF presents here is just a component of the whole puzzle, but an important one in my opinion. In his own trading, I'm sure that all of this is just one gear of a whole machine. Other gears should include clear entry rules, clear exit rules, trade management rules, money and risk management rules etc.
I have leaned something here and I hope other can too. For those who don't see the value, move on. I do think however this thread should not be in Commercial otherwise many people who might need this type of information will not get to it.

I have read the whole of this thread.
I noticed a trend in all the participants who came to this thread.
'The Trend Is Your Friend'

Ask Frac

I found value in what he presents but the irregularity of it makes it undependable. And its easy for him to make it easily accessible as i have shown him. But he has his own thoughts and as its stands now i dont think DM's can be wiser with an undependable inaccessible unpurchaseable "holy grail" nor apply the wisdom theyve garnered so far with it. I believe Bushy and some of the rest see value too but due to the irregular approach and bantering sometimes, became discomfited. Unless he gets something done on that as he keeps promising, DM's are unhelped. It can even be too risky to follow this system as it is because market is too dynamic for one to be bereft of the tools he wants to use to interpret the market and not have a clue when it will show up. Dont you think so?

If you want to do some homework over the weekend try this

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=fx...w=1366&bih=619

That is what it's all about, identify the areas where as a dumb trader you would keep going long, and where the market keeps gong short.

See the GJ chart I've out up, see where the arrow points to, if you were to trade plain charts with no indicators and just learn to identify those setups, you would make a hansom profit.

You can go on about cartels, manipulation and so on all you like, but it's not like FF makes out, it doesnt need to be, there is a natural pattern your brain will gravitate to, and the smart traders have learnt this and trade against.

are you still in?

i take it you shorted at the top?

exact to the pip virtually?

POW!

“But he has his own thoughts and as its stands now i dont think DM's can be wiser with an undependable inaccessible unpurchaseable "holy grail" nor apply the wisdom theyve garnered so far with it.”


Hi Princefred,

I can understand how you might feel what you say, but after reading and studying Fractals’ thread for the past three months I do not agree with you and feel that you should read Peterrr’s recent comments again, for example …

“You have to teach yourself how to trade at the end of the day. I've seen to many people fail after a course, mentoring sessions, trading workshops etc. All these things are good but you have to bring it all together yourself. What FF presents here is just a component of the whole puzzle, but an important one in my opinion.”


Trading is a really tricky game and by this I mean how we deal with it in our heads (at least as much as we deal with it on charts). When a trade is going well we just put our hands behind our heads and let it grow in our favour, but when a trade goes against us we deal with it differently, initially, and then differently again as we get get caught in the frustrating time and range static SM gameplay.

The only way to make a plan at that time and range stage is to have a bigger picture structure view (which WILL in my opinion be helped by understanding exactly what Fractal has shown us in how SM squeezes DM into – mental - submission).


Now, I do not believe you need Fractal’s charts and Indi’s. I believe he used those charts & indis to show us how SM play and the chart/Indi’s were the PERFECT tool to show US this.

But 90% plus people ONLY focused on the INDI and not the PROCESS of SM plays. People have focused on and judged this thread on the INDI ONLY which is a wrong way to get value from his insightful offerings, in my humble opinion.

Each experienced trader must by now have their own set of chart setups (and their own preferred timeframe) that they are fairly comfortable with. Continue to use those.

Most trader’s charts, indi’s, screens will give their traders some clue as to the current market structure.

BUT NOW you can include Fractals unique visual information of the SM plays (all the videos will show this also) on top of your own charts to perceive where and when SM Quant Algo runs will start, have started, and where they might finish.

But anyone, after a 5 month thread, who cannot (or will not) see the value in all that Fractal has presented may not ever see it.

New trader’s, coming in with no baggage/history, are in the best pozzie to be advantaged I believe.

My take also is that this “now-obvious” price manipulation and algo movement is NOT A BAD thing.

In fact it should not thwart anyone from joining FX or continuing to play FX trying to nut out its intracies.

And when I think about it I cannot see how any Market Maker could do “anything different” to how they play it now if they themselves wish to continue to provide their services and prices to traders who are also trying to eke out a profit in this very tricky environment.

Exactly!

Here you go Fractal...this guy is on your side.

Enjoy, everyone.

Chris

On the contrary, what you will find is that we have very much seen through it, and new traders will once more be faced with nothing more than what they have to go through to get an understanding of how to profit from FX. FF's stuff falls into the same category of everything else 90% waffle, 10% useful.

On the contrary, what you will find is that we have very much seen through it.

Hi Bushy, I am unsure as to your context in the phrase “seen through it”

Are you talking about the fact that SM algos are NOT moving price towards clusters of DM stops and do you disagree that this happens?


Your statement “and new traders will once more be faced with nothing more than what they have to go through to get an understanding of how to profit from FX” is not my feeling at all in light of what I wouldd have preferred to hear or needed to hear/see when I first starting out trading FX.

My take on Fractals info was that he was expressing a contextual overview of how price is moved against the herd (retail). Profiting from FX is a different and more advanced discussion in my opinion.


I can only say, that in my own innocence and expectation of a fair playing field, when joining FX 4-5 years ago was that by technical analysis and chart overview I could pretty well determine the movement of where price would head in the short term.

As, apart from time compression situations, price will either move - up or down.

I had no mentor at the beginning but reviewed basically all the common info provided by FX sites (including our Forum here).

At no point in my search (and here on this forum) was it ever openly discussed and VISUALLY SHOWN HOW price manipulation (the word used in this thread) was in full play against retail traders. Fractals charts allowed me to observe this in real time as it happened.

Fractals thread back years ago could have shaved 4 years off my learning & revelation period. I am a part-time and small speculator.

From my own perspective and subsequent to Fractals thread I have turned my trading around. First from losing to breaking even over a 2 month period. Then from breaking even to showing a small profit over the next 3 months. A long way for me to go and I certainly don’t consider myself successful in way. Just enlightened.

Fractals thread changed my trading and price movement CONCEPTS. And for that I will be forever grateful.

But 90% plus people ONLY focused on the INDI and not the PROCESS of SM plays. People have focused on and judged this thread on the INDI ONLY which is a wrong way to get value from his insightful offerings, in my humble opinion.

Frac

With reference to your quote above, can you show me how you came to these stats?
You are making assumptions. I think you're wrong.

This message is not a personal attack. Happy Pipping!

Safe
JD

Voting could be delayed.....

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/n...deal-bbcq7n5kl

lol LeanHoney, you mean TT I guess, and I can do my best to tell you my thoughts.

Yes the 90% was an assumption, and I hope I am wrong and that you are right about the percentage.

No need to worry about any personal attack. I’m an older guy and pretty thick skinned from the years in the trenches.

There have been a few stalwarts on this thread still working on the PROCESS of SM movement which is great.

But since the charts disappeared there is not much discussion anymore of the “nature of price movement”.

I can understand the charts loss might be daunting, certainly to anyone just joining in, but I don’t care that much it’s the process that interests me.

I have charts of my own of course and my own timeframes and I can get a feel where the SM has made a move against DM.

I don’t know yet how to get in at the start of that DM hunt. I can see it better after price has got past a certain point in its counter movement. And I’m only guessing at where the end of the stop run might finally be.

I call what I do as discretionary trading lol – a bit like Bruce Lee’s Jeet Kune Do – the way of no way.

But I can’t emphasis more how it clicked for me. Fractals charts had the 15m candles. On the right hand side it had the short term stops horizontal lines (above and below price were different colours). But on the bottom of his charts he had what I would have called vertical volume bars which were green and red. When a green bar for example got larger than the bars preceeding it, Fractal said that was DM long trades coming in. Then I watched on my own screen at home yes and price moved in the opposite direction, as a short.

Now I read early on in my FX searchings that when buyers were greater than sellers then price would go up. But price was going down. This cost me cash early on. The only way this could happen was if the total dollar value of SELL orders was greater than lower dollar value DM longs.

ie the big sharks were swallowing up the minnows till they were all gone, and only then would price go UP in the original demand direction.

But who was doing this massive selling against the DM buyers. I originally thought it was just more traders selling. But now I agree it is MM just moving price to squeeze out the buyers first.

That is how I started seeing it all, about 24th Sept this year, when I had to dump my logic background and just accept that an illogical counter scenario would always win out. (I don't trade all possible setups I am particular where and when on what charts - I only trade 4 pairs)

I then also reduced my original trade lot sizes by a magnitude of ten to test it all out.

I entered a trade only where I first felt the SM algo stop run had ENDED. And of course it hadn’t finished yet. So I put in a second 1/10th lot size trade again. Usually the stop runs would end by the time I had four or five mini lots in play (which was still about HALF of what my original single trade would have been).

But pricewise at some point, SM either broke my spirit and I closed all the mini trades for a loss (but just HALF of what I would have originally lost). Sometimes the trades turned and price headed back in my direction and I broke even or turned a small profit.

Quite different to how FF trades from his charts where he goes WITH the SM hunters. But I don’t know where those runs will begin as I don’t know when large groups of retail DM will come in. Others will maybe and good luck to them.

I probably wouldn’t have changed my trading, just looked for some more S/R lines or trendlines as I used to, but for seeing the first 4 pages pn thi thread of videos and WHAT SM supposedly was actually doing.

Been a very interesting exercise for me I can tell you. I have appreciated this thread for what I personally got out of it.

Maybe Fractals info isn’t for everyone I can see that and I respect others opinion on the topic.

There’s many ways to skin a cat. Just be careful that YOU aren’t the cat (and SM has the knife lol).

Seriously?????????

I could pick a chart, pick a move and tell you the same thing, and who's to argue what happened????????

It's quite obvious you've been sucked in.