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  • #61
  • Nov 12, 2018 1:10am Nov 12, 2018 1:10am
Quoting newbegger
{quote} You are wrong. Everything fell into place without too much trouble....
Because it did for you, makes me wrong does it?
  • #62
  • Nov 12, 2018 1:38am Nov 12, 2018 1:38am
The "price" i had to pay was explaining to my friends why i cant visit them or go out with them right now. They never understood it and i have lost some of them... We cant really "ask" them to understand, because we live in a totally different world. They never been here.

The question is: was it worth it?
Necessity knows no law except to conquer
  • #63
  • Edited 10:12am Nov 12, 2018 9:59am | Edited 10:12am
Quoting cat
{quote} Because it did for you, makes me wrong does it?
I just assumed you'd realize I was being humorous by quoting your post. I apologize if it offended you.

It was not easy, took many,many years and lots of failures. Many times I was ready to quit. I found letting go of the ego was the big turning point for me.
Ecclesiastes 1:9
  • #64
  • Nov 12, 2018 12:12pm Nov 12, 2018 12:12pm
Quoting 3ndlessHope
The "price" i had to pay was explaining to my friends why i cant visit them or go out with them right now. They never understood it and i have lost some of them... We cant really "ask" them to understand, because we live in a totally different world. They never been here. The question is: was it worth it?
A real friend would understand it. Loosing a real friend isn't worth all the money in the world. Real friendship can't be bought and has nothing to do with money at all.
Same goes for real love.
Persistence will get it. Consistency will keep it.
  • #65
  • Nov 12, 2018 2:20pm Nov 12, 2018 2:20pm
Quoting newbegger
{quote} I just assumed you'd realize I was being humorous by quoting your post. I apologize if it offended you. It was not easy, took many,many years and lots of failures. Many times I was ready to quit. I found letting go of the ego was the big turning point for me.
I wasn't offended in the slightest, but I didn't see the sarcasm.

Yes, of course there are many things more important than trading, but the same could be said about pretty much anything except those nearest and dearest to us and our health, because without those, life is barely worth living anyway. Having said that, the pursuit of excellence is pretty important in my book, in any sphere, but not worth killing yourself for. It's all about finding the right balance.

Good to hear you managed to turn it around.
  • #66
  • Nov 12, 2018 2:30pm Nov 12, 2018 2:30pm
Quoting 3ndlessHope
The "price" i had to pay was explaining to my friends why i cant visit them or go out with them right now. They never understood it and i have lost some of them... We cant really "ask" them to understand, because we live in a totally different world. They never been here. The question is: was it worth it?
A question only you yourself can answer. What I would say is that all of life is an experiment, and if you just sit in one place afraid of failure then you might as well pack life in today. When we go after something we want , there are always sacrifices, and if your so called ' friends ' didn't want to remain loyal, then quite frankly, they are not the sort of people you need in your life anyway.
  • #67
  • Nov 12, 2018 2:44pm Nov 12, 2018 2:44pm
Quoting cat
{quote} A question only you yourself can answer. What I would say is that all of life is an experiment, and if you just sit in one place afraid of failure then you might as well pack life in today. When we go after something we want , there are always sacrifices, and if your so called ' friends ' didn't want to remain loyal, then quite frankly, they are not the sort of people you need in your life anyway.
I do not regret anything. As you said there are alot of sacrafices behind every succes. This is what others dont want to see...
Necessity knows no law except to conquer
  • #68
  • Nov 12, 2018 3:29pm Nov 12, 2018 3:29pm
Quoting Chake
{quote} A real friend would understand it. Loosing a real friend isn't worth all the money in the world. Real friendship can't be bought and has nothing to do with money at all. Same goes for real love.
I disagree, because a real friend would never be lost, unless, you yourself drive them away. As for love, in my experience, love is fickle, and never, ever worth sacrificing your dreams for. To make it as a trader, you've got to have tunnel vision, but, you have to know your limits. Those that truly know you and love you will stay with you through thick and then, until, they see you destroy yourself, so you must make sure that this never happens.
  • #69
  • Nov 12, 2018 3:40pm Nov 12, 2018 3:40pm
Friends and girls come and go. True friendship is true only until a point where it becames false, same with love. Its sad, but true. Being realistic and independent has downsides but overall it helped me more and most likely im not the only one.
Necessity knows no law except to conquer
  • #70
  • Nov 13, 2018 1:21am Nov 13, 2018 1:21am
Quoting cat
I don't know how many people out there ever read the 1950s classic ' The Loneliness of the Long-Distance runner ', by Alan Sillitoe. In fact, the book is a collection of short stories, this story being just one of them. I won't say much about it, but it is s story of isolation, of immense dedication in the face of enormous adversity in a world cut off from normality which no one, sometimes not even oneself, understands. It is well worth a read for us traders, and there is also a 1962 film with the same title. There is s strong parallel with us traders....
Hi Cat. I just stumbled upon your thread. Completely right. It is staying with compassionate understanding and loving kindness, for our own sufferinng and that of others, that we become real Humans again....If you want to master a skill, you have to focus and practice, practise, practise.... Since 2007, real & demo combined - I made an average of 20 trades/day, 400/month, about 5000/year for ten years and still NOT there..... I lost a lot of money...Now I am practising to trade only hour/4hours chart, UK & US open, use half of maximum leverage, and stay alert until profitable or go out manual with max stop 5-10pp. Preferance XAUUSD, USDZAR & USDMXN. High spread is no problem with volume & momentum. Goal: double 100$ account before going real again. To become regular with 8/10 small losses and 2 wins who largely make up for the losses. Approaching goal. NOT there as yet. Keep you posted :-)
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  • #71
  • Nov 13, 2018 4:10am Nov 13, 2018 4:10am
Quoting 3ndlessHope
Friends and girls come and go. True friendship is true only until a point where it becames false, same with love. Its sad, but true. Being realistic and independent has downsides but overall it helped me more and most likely im not the only one.
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If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
  • #72
  • Nov 13, 2018 12:16pm Nov 13, 2018 12:16pm
Quoting cat
{quote} I disagree, because a real friend would never be lost, unless, you yourself drive them away. As for love, in my experience, love is fickle, and never, ever worth sacrificing your dreams for. To make it as a trader, you've got to have tunnel vision, but, you have to know your limits. Those that truly know you and love you will stay with you through thick and then, until, they see you destroy yourself, so you must make sure that this never happens.
Yeah we disagree, in my world real friendship is giving and taking (more giving then taking usually )
You have a choice: give time to trading or to your friend, if you decide to give all your time to trading the friendship will fade, not because the friend was not real but because you did not invest your time in it anymore.
The above also counts 1:1 for love, it takes time and energy to sustain a good relation, time you have to share with your passion for trading.

Endlesshope asked: is it worth it. My advise is: don't throw away the love of your live because you want to trade (also true for real friendship) it is not worth it.
If you do go for trading at all cost, you "maybe" end up with a lot off cash but noone to share it with, if you want to be unhappy this is the way to go i.m.h.o.

Sure i devote a lot off my free time to trading, but i make damn sure it will not cost me my most precious things in live, things that cannot be bought by the most wealthiest traders on earth (wife/kids/family/friends)
Persistence will get it. Consistency will keep it.
  • #73
  • Nov 14, 2018 3:27am Nov 14, 2018 3:27am
Quoting Chake
{quote} Yeah we disagree, in my world real friendship is giving and taking (more giving then taking usually ) You have a choice: give time to trading or to your friend, if you decide to give all your time to trading the friendship will fade, not because the friend was not real but because you did not invest your time in it anymore........Sure i devote a lot off my free time to trading, but i make damn sure it will not cost me my most precious things in live, things that cannot be bought by the most wealthiest traders on earth (wife/kids/family/friends)...
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Trading is not about friendship, trading is about doing what you have decided to do to the best of your ability. Each of us has our own motivation and our own priorities, but as with all things in life, once you have set yourself a goal, you have to pursue it singularly until that goal has been achieved. This does not necessarily imply that you have to sacrifice everything along the way, but it does mean that nothing less than 100% commitment will do.

You devote a lot of your free time to trading. I devote all of my working time to trading. My free time is spent elsewhere.
  • #74
  • Nov 14, 2018 3:29am Nov 14, 2018 3:29am
Quoting cat
{quote}[/b] Trading is not about friendship, trading is about doing what you have decided to do to the best of your ability. Each of us has our own motivation and our own priorities, but as with all things in life, once you have set yourself a goal, you have to pursue it singularly until that goal has been achieved. This does not necessarily imply that you have to sacrifice everything along the way, but it does mean that nothing less than 100% commitment will do. You devote a lot of your free time to trading. I devote all of my working time to...
I like your attitude
Necessity knows no law except to conquer
  • #75
  • Nov 14, 2018 3:56am Nov 14, 2018 3:56am
Quoting cat
I don't know how many people out there ever read the 1950s classic ' The Loneliness of the Long-Distance runner ', by Alan Sillitoe. In fact, the book is a collection of short stories, this story being just one of them. I won't say much about it, but it is s story of isolation, of immense dedication in the face of enormous adversity in a world cut off from normality which no one, sometimes not even oneself, understands. It is well worth a read for us traders, and there is also a 1962 film with the same title. There is s strong parallel with us traders....
Thank you and well said

I say this. I heard my wife of 12 years say this to me this am. Not joking ,not making it up. it happened just before london open. "don't waste your time on that screen. 5 pips up 5 pips down. Its not gonna make you money. Get a real job"

Can I say anything else?
"...Look for 5:1 RR. I can be wrong 8/10 time yet I'm not gonna lose" PTJ
  • #76
  • Nov 14, 2018 4:10am Nov 14, 2018 4:10am
Quoting dustbin
{quote} Thank you and well said I say this. I heard my wife of 12 years say this to me this am. Not joking ,not making it up. it happened just before london open. "don't waste your time on that screen. 5 pips up 5 pips down. Its not gonna make you money. Get a real job" Can I say anything else?
I hear you. Makes it doubly difficult doesn't it?
  • #77
  • Nov 14, 2018 4:40am Nov 14, 2018 4:40am
Hm put a lot of heart into some replies here and OP did not reply so im thinking its a bit like what you guys are talking about right now maybe?

Life is funny huh


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  • #78
  • Nov 14, 2018 6:12am Nov 14, 2018 6:12am
Quoting CindyXXXX
Hm put a lot of heart into some replies here and OP did not reply so im thinking its a bit like what you guys are talking about right now maybe? Life is funny huh https://youtu.be/Rjdvthd6pF0
My sincerest apologies Cindy, your replies are very much appreciated as they all are, but somehow I overlooked them, and it's absolutely nothing personal I can assure you. I'm a bit in and out at the moment as I've been staying with my elderly Mum for the past week, so it's very much half an eye on things work wise, and half an eye on her.

Again, sincerest apologies, your input is valued, and I hope it won't discourage you from commenting on any of my threads in the future.
  • #79
  • Nov 14, 2018 11:32am Nov 14, 2018 11:32am
Quoting cat
{quote}[/b] Trading is not about friendship, trading is about doing what you have decided to do to the best of your ability. Each of us has our own motivation and our own priorities, but as with all things in life, once you have set yourself a goal, you have to pursue it singularly until that goal has been achieved. This does not necessarily imply that you have to sacrifice everything along the way, but it does mean that nothing less than 100% commitment will do. You devote a lot of your free time to trading. I devote all of my working time to trading....
Ok, so, now we are going to discuss how much working time there is in a day? Common cat, it is not about what you do and what I do that I replied on, you are dragging this into another direction.

Quoting cat
{quote} I disagree, because a real friend would never be lost, unless, you yourself drive them away.
Anyway.. isn't the above exactly the same what I said before? I said that a real friend would understand it. And that loosing a real friend would mostly be blamed by you because you devoted not enough time to the friendship.

Once more..
Endlesshope asked: was it worth it. My advise is: don't throw away the love of your live because you want to trade (also true for real friendship) it is not worth it.
If you do go for trading at all cost, you "maybe" end up with a lot off cash but noone to share it with, if you want to be unhappy this is the way to go i.m.h.o.

I think you are saying something similar but with other words, maybe it is the language gap I don't know.. But that's all there is to say about this from me really. So I leave it here. If you want to discuss this statement, fine, if you want to drag it into another discussion it will be without me.
Persistence will get it. Consistency will keep it.
  • #80
  • Nov 14, 2018 12:11pm Nov 14, 2018 12:11pm
Quoting Chake
{quote} Ok, so, now we are going to discuss how much working time there is in a day? Common cat, it is not about what you do and what I do that I replied on, you are dragging this into another direction. {quote} Anyway.. isn't the above exactly the same what I said before? I said that a real friend would understand it. And that loosing a real friend would mostly be blamed by you because you devoted not enough time to the friendship. Once more.. Endlesshope asked: was it worth it. My advise is: don't throw away the love of your live because you want...
Heh. For me, trading IS the love of my life. Friends and girlfriends will fall in line or be replaced!
If you are good at something, never do it for free--Joker
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