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  • #1,381
  • Aug 24, 2018 10:49am Aug 24, 2018 10:49am
Quoting OAPDave
{quote} My friend you sure post some thought provoking material, always a good read even if I after read it more than once before it sinks in. Thanks
Dave,

I will elaborate later on "Tillman Forks"

anyway it is closely related to Gann and Hurst.

Half is the key.

The Center of Gravity.
The Middle.
The Return to the Mean.
The Sinewave
The 50 % Retracement

etc that is all the same
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  • #1,382
  • Aug 24, 2018 11:09am Aug 24, 2018 11:09am
Could have been a pip laden day for someone ?
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  • #1,383
  • Aug 24, 2018 11:50am Aug 24, 2018 11:50am
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Dave, I will elaborate later on "Tillman Forks" anyway it is closely related to Gann and Hurst. Half is the key. The Center of Gravity. The Middle. The Return to the Mean. The Sinewave The 50 % Retracement etc that is all the same {image}
You know the baggage I carry
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  • #1,384
  • Edited Aug 25, 2018 4:39am Aug 24, 2018 11:57am | Edited Aug 25, 2018 4:39am
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Centered Moving Averages cross in the Middle of the Sinewave (half of the Price Action Pulse) and build a "Node" or Focal Point

To build a "Fork" :

- your starting point is the previous Focal Point noted 1
- you link the previous Focal Point with the next Focal Point, noted 2, which is located at the Middle of the Price Action Swing (Wave, Pulse whatever you name it)
- then you draw 2 parrallels to the straight line linking both Focal points
- origin of the parallels are the beginning , noted 3 and the end , noted 4, of the Swing
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  • #1,385
  • Aug 25, 2018 2:34pm Aug 25, 2018 2:34pm
Published on another thread
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  • #1,386
  • Aug 25, 2018 2:39pm Aug 25, 2018 2:39pm
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  • #1,387
  • Aug 25, 2018 2:59pm Aug 25, 2018 2:59pm
Quoting parisboy
Published on another thread {image}
Just curious my friend.. What program is this? Those cycles are made for future or it just look like it? Thanks

SF
  • #1,388
  • Aug 25, 2018 3:26pm Aug 25, 2018 3:26pm
Quoting SilentFather
{quote} Just curious my friend.. What program is this? Those cycles are made for future or it just look like it? Thanks SF
Hi SilentFather

Sentient Trader - from David Hickson

the diamonds of various color (used by Jim Hurst) showing the Cycles are generated by the software.

the yellow and orange cycles within the Envelopes are hand drawn by me with Paint

http://sentienttrader.com/
  • #1,389
  • Aug 25, 2018 3:31pm Aug 25, 2018 3:31pm
Quoting SilentFather
{quote} Just curious my friend.. What program is this? Those cycles are made for future or it just look like it? Thanks SF
You can also display the Cycles with semi-circles forms
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  • #1,390
  • Aug 26, 2018 7:48am Aug 26, 2018 7:48am
My friend, I've spent a little time reading various links you have posted, it's plain to see that you have vast knowledge of this method, you have stayed with the use of 3 envelopes but I have seen examples of bigger time frames with the use of only 2, with this in mind I have tweaked the setting to one setting and 2 envelope for Dailies, example shown are Gbp pairs all with the same setting, I would appreciate any comments ?
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  • #1,391
  • Aug 26, 2018 9:09am Aug 26, 2018 9:09am
Quoting OAPDave
My friend, I've spent a little time reading various links you have posted, it's plain to see that you have vast knowledge of this method, you have stayed with the use of 3 envelopes but I have seen examples of bigger time frames with the use of only 2, with this in mind I have tweaked the setting to one setting and 2 envelope for Dailies, example shown are Gbp pairs all with the same setting, I would appreciate any comments ? {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
So, what’s your expecting level on GBPAUD? Thanks in advance.
  • #1,392
  • Aug 26, 2018 10:23am Aug 26, 2018 10:23am
Quoting MariaEduard
{quote} So, what’s your expecting level on GBPAUD? Thanks in advance.
I have only recently recognised how robust and accurate this method is, still getting my head around it hence all the screenshots and questions to Parisboy, but i do find your question rather vague
Level to do what ?
Are you looking to scalp, Swing trade , Position Trade
What Risk Reward are you looking for
Looking to Buy or Sell
Do you want to trade From a Daily or much faster time frames like Parisboy
Please spend some time reading the thread and then when you are a little more specific with your question we can get are heads together.
Parisboy is a real top guy as is his Method after reading the thread you just might have a different way of understanding it than me
  • #1,393
  • Aug 26, 2018 10:49am Aug 26, 2018 10:49am
Quoting OAPDave
My friend, I've spent a little time reading various links you have posted, it's plain to see that you have vast knowledge of this method, you have stayed with the use of 3 envelopes but I have seen examples of bigger time frames with the use of only 2, with this in mind I have tweaked the setting to one setting and 2 envelope for Dailies, example shown are Gbp pairs all with the same setting, I would appreciate any comments ? {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}

Maria Eduard

I agree with Dave. Your question is vague. The best way could be to post a chart so that I can post the same chart (approximately) with the Envelopes and my comments and explanations.

Dave , Hurst spoke " robust, but not bad" about this method.

I try to limit my knowledge to all themes , methods, tools relative to Waves and Cycles which covers aaleady a vast territory.

I try to show and develop synergy between all the tools and concepts

Roughly the methodology I use is based on Hurst, Gann , Millard and some others.

Flexibility is possible because you have to be comfortable with.

By practicing and trying you will master the methodology and build your own.
  • #1,394
  • Aug 26, 2018 11:10am Aug 26, 2018 11:10am
Quoting OAPDave
My friend, I've spent a little time reading various links you have posted, it's plain to see that you have vast knowledge of this method, you have stayed with the use of 3 envelopes but I have seen examples of bigger time frames with the use of only 2, with this in mind I have tweaked the setting to one setting and 2 envelope for Dailies, example shown are Gbp pairs all with the same setting, I would appreciate any comments ? {image} {image} {image} {image} {image} {image}
Dave, when the upper limit of the Envelope 128 tends to merge (or merge) with the Upper Limit of the Enveloppe 256 , this is a characteristic of the strength of the Uptrend, then the Lower Limit of the Envelope 128 tends to merge (or merge) with the centerd Moving Average 256

Hence both merging curves build a strong resistance and a strong support
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  • #1,395
  • Aug 26, 2018 12:26pm Aug 26, 2018 12:26pm
Quoting HumbleLearne
{quote} Sir in your thread have you anywhere posted the entry and exit rules please there was a time when i used to trade in keltners channels when i was new in trading but later on i did great mistake by not sticking to the system in fact the system that you have is almost similar but it will be very kind of you if you post the entry exit rules for your amazing system please
Humblelearn and OAPDave

the best ways to assimilate the trading "rules" is to practice on a demo account in 1minute or 5 minutes because you will endlessly see the same patterns or configuration showed by Price Action.

Then you can compare with what you see on your prefered Time Unit and apply the "lessons" of what you have learned by experience on lower Timeframe

A good way too is also to practice regularly a Postmortem Analysis of "what should I have done ? "

Let's do it on a 1 Year daily chart of GBPCAD posted by OAPDAVE
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  • #1,396
  • Aug 26, 2018 12:41pm Aug 26, 2018 12:41pm
Quoting parisboy
{quote} Dave, when the upper limit of the Envelope 128 tends to merge (or merge) with the Upper Limit of the Enveloppe 256 , this is a characteristic of the strength of the Uptrend, then the Lower Limit of the Envelope 128 tends to merge (or merge) with the centerd Moving Average 256 Hence both merging curves build a strong resistance and a strong support {image} {image}
Thanks Alain, my tweaked setting for the Dailies are 16 & 32, -8 with for mt4 envelopes at 1.56 & 0.78
  • #1,397
  • Aug 26, 2018 12:49pm Aug 26, 2018 12:49pm
In black Buying opportunities

In red Selling Opportunities

1, 2 and 3 are successive Buying Opportunities when breaking on the Upside

-(1) the Lower limit of the Envelope 32 (blue)
- (2) the Lower limit of the Envelope 128 (ocre)
- (3) the Centered Moving Average 32 (blue)

- (4) a Selling Opportunity at the level of the Centered Moving Average 256 (brown) as well if you have bought before in 1,2, or 3 or a Shorting Opportunity when Price Action breaks the Centered Moving Average 256 (brown) on the downside

- (5) a Shorting Opportunity when Price Action breaks the Centered Moving Average 32 (blue) on the downside if you have not shorted on (4)

- (6) a Buying Opportunity when Price Action breaks the Centered Moving Average 256 (brown) on the upside

- (7) a Selling Opportunity when Price Action touches or crosses the Upper Limit of the Envelope 32 (blue)
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  • #1,398
  • Aug 26, 2018 1:10pm Aug 26, 2018 1:10pm
- (8) a Shorting Opportunity on Reversal on the Upper Limit of the Envelope 32 (blue)

- (9) a Buying Opportunity after the Bounce on the Centered Moving Average 256 (brown)

- (10) a Selling opportunity when Price Action reenters in the Envelope 32 (blue) and reverses Trend if bought on (9)

- (11) a Shorting Opportunity when Price Action reenters in the Envelope 32 (blue) and reverses Trend

- (12) a Shorting Opportunity when Price Action breaks the Upper Limit of the Envelope 128 (ocre)
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  • #1,399
  • Aug 26, 2018 1:29pm Aug 26, 2018 1:29pm
Now added the 3rd Envelope to my Daily setup 64 -8, Env 3.125 ? Pb will set yours up when I have finish experimenting with my tweaks
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  • #1,400
  • Aug 26, 2018 1:50pm Aug 26, 2018 1:50pm
- (13) - Buying opportunity after the bounce on the Centered Moving Average 32 (blue)

- (14) - Shorting Opportunity after the break on the downside of the Centered Moving Average 32 (blue)

- (15) - Buying Opportunity after the Bounce on the Ascending Valid Trend Line (VTL) 32° (green) AND the Centered Moving Average 256 (brown) which is a strong Support

as long as Price Action is above this VTL, Trend is Up

- (16) Selling Opportunity on the Upper Limit of the Envelope 32 (blue) if bought on (15) or Shorting Opportunity on Reversal

- (17) Buying Opportunity after Price Action is above last Top on (16) (general Trend being Up)

- (18) Buying Opportunity when Price Action crosses on the Upside the Upper Limit of the Envelope 128 (ocre)
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