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  • #42,681
  • Aug 20, 2018 10:59am Aug 20, 2018 10:59am
Quoting steos
{quote} short with a stop at 25792 {image}
sellers are struggling...
took a second entry as rescue mission
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  • #42,682
  • Aug 20, 2018 11:10am Aug 20, 2018 11:10am
Quoting steos
{quote} sellers are struggling... took a second entry as rescue mission {image}
Hey my friend, with what I'm seeing on your chart, I think you may be mixing order flows. To me it seems that you're trying to trade the yellow and also trading a bit of the red as well. In your first trade it looked like you were getting in on the intraday order flow right where price was having weakness on the immediate, which would have a deeper correction. I personally wouldn't have considered the darker line a NSH but rather a retest of structure followed by some weak correction and then continuation. I do hope this helps.

EDIT: although I wouldn't necessarily argue that price is having extreme weakness on the buying side due to the 0/3 in the order flow right now.
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  • #42,683
  • Aug 20, 2018 11:27am Aug 20, 2018 11:27am
Quoting S41nt
{quote} Hey my friend, with what I'm seeing on your chart, I think you may be mixing order flows. To me it seems that you're trying to trade the yellow and also trading a bit of the red as well. In your first trade it looked like you were getting in on the intraday order flow right where price was having weakness on the immediate, which would have a deeper correction. I personally wouldn't have considered the darker line a NSH but rather a retest of structure followed by some weak correction and then continuation. I do hope this helps. EDIT: although...
Thank you for your insights. However if you look deeper you see that I was clearly trading the red order flow which is the immediate one.
I considered the first red peak as a NSH while someone else coud just consider it as a retest. That's why I got long.
  • #42,684
  • Aug 20, 2018 11:30am Aug 20, 2018 11:30am
Great Day at Eurusd

each line was swing I traded , main swing trade was a mistake TP before reach 127.20 , I overlook smaller swing fib. as main swing.
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  • #42,685
  • Aug 20, 2018 11:35am Aug 20, 2018 11:35am
Quoting steos
{quote} sellers are struggling... took a second entry as rescue mission {image}
Bulls will be defending cyan area. Let's if price gets there.

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  • #42,686
  • Aug 20, 2018 11:45am Aug 20, 2018 11:45am
Hi all, i opened my chart late today, took 1 trade today +19
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  • #42,687
  • Aug 20, 2018 12:37pm Aug 20, 2018 12:37pm
Quoting steos
{quote} Bulls will be defending cyan area. Let's if price gets there. {image}
Price hit cyan area and bulls are trying to defend. But they do not seem convincing.

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  • #42,688
  • Aug 20, 2018 2:17pm Aug 20, 2018 2:17pm
Took 2 trades today. Total P/L = -13. Both charts are attached.
First trade was a long at the 61.8. Got taken out at B/E.
Second trade was a short at the 61.8. Got stopped out.
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  • #42,689
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:11pm Aug 20, 2018 3:11pm
Quoting PeteH
{quote} I try not to overthink my trades and try to keep things simple. This results in more trades and perhaps more losing trades but I have been mindful that if I get in at a good R:R then although my percentage of winners to losers can sometimes be lower than 60% and trades may fail from time to time I can lose 2 or 3 for every win when the R:R is good. I do think you got the expectation right which is the main thing. In Mr Pips video's he repeats a number of times 'the expectation is the expectation'. Perhaps with the strength of the sellers...
and the question that bothers me is how do we know we trade the right "main swing" or we just chose one randomly and go with expectations...anyone is free to contribute...
  • #42,690
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:11pm Aug 20, 2018 3:11pm
Quoting Bruin813
Took 2 trades today. Total P/L = -13. Both charts are attached. First trade was a long at the 61.8. Got taken out at B/E. Second trade was a short at the 61.8. Got stopped out. {image} {image}
In my opinion you traded the wrong swing in the second trade. Stop should have gone above 25785.

At 16:30 someone might have mixed up orderflows today.
Where the 17:00 downswing was a very nice correction from the previous upswing to go long, someone might have seen it as an expectation failure from the more immediate order flow and went short. Both are correct, but it was easy to get confused at that point. Mid-term expectation was and still is for a NSH. Until 25708 is broken. (Even though we are clearly ranging for the last couple hours.)
  • #42,691
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:13pm Aug 20, 2018 3:13pm
Quoting vladutz112
{quote} and the question that bothers me is how do we know we trade the right "main swing" or we just chose one randomly and go with expectations...anyone is free to contribute...
You can choose whatever swing and timeframe/ticksize you want. Just be consistent. Don't switch back and forth and be careful not to get confused. It can happen very fast
  • #42,692
  • Aug 20, 2018 3:39pm Aug 20, 2018 3:39pm
Quoting steos
{quote} Price hit cyan area and bulls are trying to defend. But they do not seem convincing. {image}
closed for 9 points
  • #42,693
  • Aug 20, 2018 4:00pm Aug 20, 2018 4:00pm
Quoting steos
{quote} closed for 9 points
I agree. Looking at the same area. But bulls are very weak. We'll see.
  • #42,694
  • Edited 11:54pm Aug 20, 2018 11:34pm | Edited 11:54pm
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  • #42,695
  • Aug 21, 2018 12:21am Aug 21, 2018 12:21am
Quoting JeremyV
{quote} In my opinion you traded the wrong swing in the second trade. Stop should have gone above 25785.
That depends on if you consider the white line in the 2nd picture to be a correction or not. To me, this was a correction.

If you did not consider this to be a correction then your S/L should be above 25790 in my opinion like in the 1st picture.
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  • #42,696
  • Aug 21, 2018 12:24am Aug 21, 2018 12:24am
Quoting Mr. Pip
Hello Traders tomorrow is the live stream and Thursday there is another one. I'm excited and hope to see you all there. Catch you all tomorrow.
Hi Mr Pip,

Hopefully a few questions you can answer in the live stream if you have time:

Q1:
I do understand that order flow can be assessed and traded in any type of market. Have you noticed differences in market movement in other markets?
For example:
NQ: I've noticed that the swings in this market are quite larger and that these larger swings are better to trade. The smaller swings generally lead to more failures(and larger costs).
Is there anything you have noticed about the ES? It moves quite fast on the 233 so I'd prefer to trade this on a larger TF.

Q2:
Last year the YM flowed quite nicely with an upward trend. This year we have had quite a bit of range bound movement. How has this affected your profitability?

Q3:
How many intraday trades do you manage to put in per month on the YM? Does the low volume(if this is the case) result in you seeking opportunities in multiple markets?

Q4:
An unprofitable week is possible, have you ever had an unprofitable month? How has this affected you emotionally?

Thanks
  • #42,697
  • Aug 21, 2018 8:01am Aug 21, 2018 8:01am
GM Traders,

Here is the live stream link. Come on in we will start live in about 20 min

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCy5Zq25cFK3FZeF26wn4m0w/live
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
  • #42,698
  • Aug 21, 2018 11:09am Aug 21, 2018 11:09am
Hello Traders, Great session today tough and profitable. I will post the video later after it renders.
If you fail to plan, you plan to fail.
  • #42,699
  • Aug 21, 2018 11:11am Aug 21, 2018 11:11am
Thanks Damian.

Today happened a movement that creates alot of doubts, and there are alot of posts in the thread about it ( When it seems it reverses and changes direction, and expectation is on the other side )

Thanks for explaining it and your ideas as it unfolds
  • #42,700
  • Aug 21, 2018 11:15am Aug 21, 2018 11:15am
I missed part of Damian's session and took the long much earlier than he did. I look forward to rewinding the session to see why Damian didn't take the long in the area that I did. Price retraced much farther than I expected and so I trailed decision candles back into BE, and then stayed at BE until we reached the 1:1.
+33 for me.
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