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  • Jun 9, 2018 11:40pm Jun 9, 2018 11:40pm
  •  Hambone
  • | Joined Oct 2015 | Status: Member | 87 Posts
OK..Back to the content:

FF - please check my understanding of the following..

STS Principle - STS's are the closest stop clouds to the current price. The oscillations we see on the shorter time frames are the MM moving price to exploit the STSs

STS Tolerance Principle - Some allowance is made by the MM for some STSs to go unattended in the short run so that they can: 1. Pursue higher value stops (i.e. MT or LT if the greater profit is there) and 2. Disguise/Cover their actions with the appearance of "randomness"

Counter STS Principle - When the STSs that are in the Target area are moved away from their original positions the MM moves price in the opposite direction to take out closer counter stops and entice the traders who moved their stops back to within easy targeting range.

STS Killing Principle - when the MM uses "events - (i.e. news, session transitions, specific hours, etc.) to surge and retract price in both directions quickly to take out STSs

Now for the question:
Let's assume that we (who are at an informational disadvantage compared to MM and you) can use our chart pattern analysis and correctly identify STS clouds and MTS clouds. So we know that the MM is going to move price to those levels at some point. Our informational disadvantage now is that we don't know which one they will pursue first since we don't have the accumulation Position Bars that you have. The density of the stops in that particular cloud are what determine the priority because they are the most profitable areas for the MM. This being the case, what can we do to better determine the first direction the MM will move?
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  •  JGalt
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Quoting VEEFX
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{quote} I am a few stops away from getting into options but feel the way I have incorporated time, decay and volatility without price it only makes me wonder
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I can see your interest in Options as they will be the way to CAP draw-down or losses in your system. Using them as the trading vehicle would need more research. There is a world of possibilities but we really would be out of topic in this thread. It seems u need to open a thread BUT only to place together what you want to share and banning immediately any troll to keep it clean.
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  • Jun 10, 2018 11:17am Jun 10, 2018 11:17am
  •  Ananas
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Nice thread guys but do we have anything practical to use in our struggle against market makers or are we doomed?
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  •  ZyzzAlba
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Quoting vinforex7
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Hi Guys... I recieved a PM from someone here, directing me to a link, similar to the indicator Fractal Freak is using. I certainly appreciate it that, they thought about me.. and shared their research information with me. But to let you know that, I was not here looking for a holy grail indicator. Even if we have access to FF's indicator, I believe, it SHOULD come with some discretion. I was here to get better insights into market dynamics... from a person, who certainly have much more experience in the markets than me. Even though... I haven't...
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I got the same PM - I just ignored it. Coordinated and hilarious.
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  •  Kkptra
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Hi FF, thanks for your support and guidance .. Just to understand your lesson properly i want to know if your indicators represent 100% retail /dm positions or it is just an appropriate value with some real data?

Do you consider and have access to 100% retail traders positions?
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  •  VEEFX
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Quoting ZyzzAlba
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{quote} I got the same PM - I just ignored it. Coordinated and hilarious.
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Similar to this post ?
Staying in my lane...
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  •  VEEFX
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Quoting vinforex7
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Hi Guys... I recieved a PM from someone here, directing me to a link, similar to the indicator Fractal Freak is using. I certainly appreciate it that, they thought about me.. and shared their research information with me. But to let you know that, I was not here looking for a holy grail indicator. Even if we have access to FF's indicator, I believe, it SHOULD come with some discretion. I was here to get better insights into market dynamics... from a person, who certainly have much more experience in the markets than me. Even though... I haven't...
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I think he might be waiting for the #tag support count to go up. I will turn on my PM to see if I am also the chosen one :-)
Staying in my lane...
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  •  ZyzzAlba
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Quoting VEEFX
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{quote} Similar to this post ?
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Similar link and name too - Just killed me the desperation
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  •  ZyzzAlba
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{quote} I think he might be waiting for the #tag support count to go up. I will turn on my PM to see if I am also the chosen one :-)
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BTW VEEFX; I did options for 4 years.. Hit me up on DM perhaps I can help you. Otherwise based on what you are asking; just read up on Options Greeks and I think itll answer your question on IV and Time decay.
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  •  VEEFX
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Quoting ZyzzAlba
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{quote} Similar link and name too - Just killed me the desperation
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Yeah. I don't think FF's Indi is same as that from Oanda but then what do I know. I already hate charts and anything you put on them is just noise to my eyes :-)
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Horrido to all supporters this week!
Was slipping off the edge but i held up.
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  •  ZyzzAlba
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Looks like FF has been suspended again..... A bit of a nuisance now
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  •  bfx17
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guys, sorry for you. it seems that your idol is gone for good.

however, he gave you many useful information for free.

so start from here...
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guys, sorry for you. it seems that your idol is gone for good. however, he gave you many useful information for free. so start from here...
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"Temporarily Suspended"
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Looks like FF has been suspended again..... A bit of a nuisance now
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Surprise surprise. Give away too much info and the advertisers will shoot down the thread.
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  •  bfx17
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{quote} "Temporarily Suspended"
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Sureee!
Asuming that the ban will be removed, what do you think FF will do:

1. He will start to make relevant posts
2. He will victimize himself and continue his fights with various members
3. He will ask his followers to post here and in other threads #DontSuspendFF or similar etc.

And the answer is:
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{quote} Sureee! Asuming that the ban will be removed, what do you think FF will do: 1. He will start to make relevant posts 2. He will victimize himself and continue his fights with various members 3. He will ask his followers to post here and in other threads #DontSuspendFF or similar etc. And the answer is:
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