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  • #561
  • May 25, 2018 1:50pm May 25, 2018 1:50pm
"what an eye opener ! Thanks for that"

Welcome brother.

Another thing which plays a role here to some degree is fractality, but let us leave it out...

market mechanics first......otherwise we deviate too much....

some of the recent posts regarding order book dynamics are not bad..................I am happy to have these in the thread, but I will not address these topics any time soon...

step by step...

watch the new videos & ask questions instead...
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  • #562
  • May 25, 2018 1:52pm May 25, 2018 1:52pm
Note:

The infamous slippage belongs to the category "broker tricks", that comes on TOP of what I am showing here....I think I once made a presentation on these things.....

FF
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  • #563
  • May 25, 2018 1:53pm May 25, 2018 1:53pm
"Could be an EA that has the value but it is not a hard stop loss"

You would then have full blow-up risk, since there can be huge spikes with a low willingess of MM Algos to fill you...

so no..................do NOT go that route....bad bad idea...

FF
www.sme-fx.com
  • #564
  • May 25, 2018 1:56pm May 25, 2018 1:56pm
Quoting FractalFreak
Here another PEARL (video coming in the future): If the DM pulls away their stops, the SM does NOT run behind them! The opposite! They go into the opposite direction..........once the DM pulls closer again, they go for the run.. It is almost like a dance...... I may put some evidence together regarding that important topic........ FF

This is one of the main reasons why i never work with a stop, i only use a mental stop loss and write it down somewhere, however, against what you are saying, i always assumed that they will calculate my stop at my margin call level, wouldn't that be true ?!
  • #565
  • May 25, 2018 2:02pm May 25, 2018 2:02pm
Quoting FractalFreak
"Could be an EA that has the value but it is not a hard stop loss" You would then have full blow-up risk, since there can be huge spikes with a low willingess of MM Algos to fill you... so no..................do NOT go that route....bad bad idea... FF

This is not true if the EA is strategically designed to handle ALL market conditions running 24x5 across all 28 pairs. With that said, I need to depart from here and follow along offline.

I will delete my charts if I don't get a response in the next 24 hours.

Enjoy
Staying in my lane...
  • #566
  • May 25, 2018 2:15pm May 25, 2018 2:15pm
"Starring at charts gives the manipulators the added advantage of manipulating us"

Yes, you are right.

FF
www.sme-fx.com
  • #567
  • May 25, 2018 2:17pm May 25, 2018 2:17pm
"VEEFX",

in your recent posts you made some points that are not too bad.

But I would prefer to discuss such topics at a later stage.

Stay tuned.

FF
www.sme-fx.com
  • #568
  • May 25, 2018 2:29pm May 25, 2018 2:29pm
FractalFreak

Thanks again for your great contributions and eye openers in this thread, i have one question :

Now i am trying to understand what you are doing in your trades, your approach to them and how you do it, to be able to learn from it.

So far i assume we all understand your approach and what you're doing in trading, as for how.. and where u got these indicators, i am asking the following questions :

1-) Is it a sort of Market profile indicator or open orders indicator ? You did say NO, and i believe you, also if you have such an indicator, it will be from one broker or one feed, like myfxbook, which does not reflect the whole market, and if it was from the interbank, i don't think the interbank has the details of every open order, i think brokers send the LPs collective orders and try to hide the orders of their clients from the LPs and they usually run internal bucket shops. ( I hope i am right in that assumption and please do correct me if i am wrong ), so even if u had access to interbanking data, it will not reflect the positions and accumulations.

2-) Based on the fact that you mentioned, it is a custom made indicator, and u need a 200 IQ among some knowledge in mathematics,...etc. I am assuming the following and please correct me if i am wrong :

- using tick data and taking every tick into account + knowing how much money is needed to push the pair on pip + checking the momentum <<< a genius will be able to create a comprehensible relationship and put it in a mathematical formula that will give u live entry orders or entry levels.
- Stops can be gathered mirroring the entry volumes and gathering probable stop levels at various time frames and putting them as possible stop accumulation points where the price will hit again soon.

Is it possible that you custom made such an indicator ?

3-) I am just shooting words out of my ass and have no idea what i am talking about :-)

Thanks for your feedback
  • #569
  • Edited 2:40pm May 25, 2018 2:30pm | Edited 2:40pm
Quoting FractalFreak
" for sure with absolute certainty to be true for DM, Semi-DM, Semi-SM and SM traders is the fact that probabilities remain the same for everyone when it comes to pure price movements on any chart on any timeframe or tick" NO! You missed the whole point, friend. FF
Missed this response...It's frustrating as you refuse the use the "Quote" button to respond. That is how folks are notified of a response to their post. Regardless, I have over 1000 hours of research to back this up so perhaps you did not follow what I am saying. I am on self-imposed exile from FF so this is it for me.

In my post, I did not want too much details so here it is.

"for sure with absolute certainty to be true for DM, Semi-DM, Semi-SM and SM traders is the fact that probabilities remain the same for everyone when it comes to pure price movements on any chart on any timeframe or tick"

probabilities remain the same for everyone... and the probability will always remain close to 50/50 (more like 48 for retail traders and 52 for SM/banks/IT/brokers) which makes it a loss/win game for DM/SM and for SemiDM/SemiSM it is more towards 50/50. This is a mathematical fact in the long run (minimum of 3+ yrs) that will remain true till the end of time.....3+ yrs because we have to exclude fat trail distributions that market presents from time to time and cover atleast 2-3 business performance cycle
Staying in my lane...
  • #571
  • May 25, 2018 3:01pm May 25, 2018 3:01pm
Thank you Fractal.You have created an informative thread and I want to learn everything you know. Or maybe even 10% will be enough that data feed is the holy grail.

Fractal, isn’t it simple from here on, we know that the big bad guys have spent millions paying Algo developers to write this behaviour. So now that we know the behaviour isn’t all that’s required to be profitable the order book?
  • #572
  • May 25, 2018 3:05pm May 25, 2018 3:05pm
I remember several years back, on this EA that stop order/limit order "dance" with the price, before news release. (rapid order modify).
The EA got banned from the broker.
and on recent year, that same kind of EA emerge again, but "dancing with StopLoss", inviting the hedging flow to opposite direction.
Big pocket play.
  • #573
  • May 25, 2018 4:40pm May 25, 2018 4:40pm
Quoting VEEFX
Mr. Freak, Knowing what I shared above on limit orders.... if I am a A-book profitable trader with $1M account size and have such a position like GCAD in loss, please tell me if the next step I outlined below will have ANY effect on the manipulation techniques. Using GBPCAD as an example to keep the readers entertained.... My average open Short position is at 1.7127 on GBPCAD Assuming london open is next 15 mins. I place a Pending Short order of 100 standard lot size at 1.7100 (assuming I have free margin left in my account) Question: Will the price...
VEE

You are baiting the broker...

I think that the price doesn't go down?

Thanks
  • #574
  • May 25, 2018 4:49pm May 25, 2018 4:49pm
Quoting bonZi
Thank you Fractal.You have created an informative thread and I want to learn everything you know. Or maybe even 10% will be enough that data feed is the holy grail. Fractal, isn’t it simple from here on, we know that the big bad guys have spent millions paying Algo developers to write this behaviour. So now that we know the behaviour isn’t all that’s required to be profitable the order book?
No, only having this indicator is not gonna work without the right knowledge, its just not that easy.
The dealers have many tricks to fool you, like widening the spread at certain levels to grab the stops and pending orders, but there is much more.
Have patience my friend, what he is teaching you is more important then his indicator, this the kinda info thats worth alot.
Was slipping off the edge but i held up.
  • #575
  • May 25, 2018 4:58pm May 25, 2018 4:58pm
Quoting VEEFX
Jury is still out there for me to make a sound judgement on what is being shared. Some is legit and some still requires more sound principles to come to a concrete conclusion. What I know for sure with absolute certainty to be true for DM, Semi-DM, Semi-SM and SM traders is the fact that probabilities remain the same for everyone when it comes to pure price movements on any chart on any timeframe or tick. As I have said before, I make more during price manipulations by following the direction of stop hunts but nothing is perfect in life given the...
Thanks VEE...

One question: What is your take on FX industry/Trading Career sustainability. I mean in the future there could be so many events that could alter like countries breaking down{extreme example}, wars or some of structural change{like we saw the shift from trading pits to computer trading}.

How does the retail trader adapt to the probability of losing his edge{if his finds one, in the first place}? Are there things a retail trader can focus on, to be able to adapt to the coming changes?

Thanks
  • #576
  • May 25, 2018 5:48pm May 25, 2018 5:48pm
Quoting VEEFX
{quote} Sure. I understand but I am not getting into the technicalities of how limit orders are designed in retail FX or in MT4. What I am saying happens across all broker platforms including locally installed and those who offer web browser versions. Same is allowed with FXCM TS2 platform and I do not think the limit orders "sit" locally on our hard drive waiting to be triggered. Maybe that is true but that does not explain why the 'feature' of modifying order size on a active pending order is not allowed... across all brokers that I have tested...

in MT4 brokers (except LMAX) limit orders does not go to LPs

they remain on MT4 server; and will be converted to market order once the bid/ask has reached your limit price.

that is why you get slipped in MT4 on limit orders.

you will NOT get slipped on LMAX (even using their MT4) because they are true ECN
  • #577
  • May 25, 2018 10:08pm May 25, 2018 10:08pm
Quoting silverau
{quote} Up to get the short DM positions
Hi FF, can you please explain to me if I was wrong in my expectation re Nr3 (EurGbp) ?
It only went 9 pips lower after your screen shot, but then went 20+ pips higher.
See the snapshot here (the red line is in the same position as the line on Nr3)
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  • #578
  • May 25, 2018 11:38pm May 25, 2018 11:38pm
FractalFreak

Thank you for open our eye and mind that so many manipulation involve in Forex. Grateful for sharing your precious knowledge to us.
  • #579
  • May 26, 2018 1:49am May 26, 2018 1:49am
So after some research and reading in between the pictures and a couple videos, I think I have figured out how the stop loss accumulation indicator works or whatever the f*ck it's called, the indicator that shows stop losses of traders via a bar. I have decoded how to code the logic behind it. God bless chart screenshots.

Hey OP if I change the TF to daily I bet you a thousand bucks the stop loss line changes as well isn't it? I must say it's quite genius how you or your team were able to figure this out and actually code it. But what boggles me is why you bother with this thread, it surely cannot be from the kindness of your heart. I don't believe such fairy tales.

Anyways out of respect for the intelligence and hard work you or whoever put into it, I won't be posting the indicator here or anywhere else if eventually I do code it right.
Read in between the price!!!
  • #580
  • May 26, 2018 2:28am May 26, 2018 2:28am
Thanks for this very good thread on the market manipulation. And the way you present......keeping the negative members at away. One question; Why the name "FractalFreak"?
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