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  • #13,441
  • May 7, 2018 7:52am May 7, 2018 7:52am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} You are a white guy, one who makes a lot of money to boot. {quote} .
powerful input as always
  • #13,442
  • May 7, 2018 10:10am May 7, 2018 10:10am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} Nah, you don't see it because you have no reason to look. It is very much like the regular people against Hitler, or Mussolini, or Pol Pot. It does not impact you directly so you cannot be bothered. Trump is our president because there were real victims of globalization in the rust belt that Hillary did not see. Their mistake was that they believed a snake oil salesman. I cannot wait for the EPA to deregulate coal in West Virginia again!
Because I'm white, "make good money" and reject your view doesn't mean I don't see it and can't be bothered. I have plenty of reason to look and do so everyday. Being an NP on US/Mexican border I encounter all of it. I take care of babies born to drug addicted mothers both from US and from Mexico. I take care of babies that Mexican mother's cross the border just to deliver in the US so the baby can become a US citizen. I live in a city where the mean income is among the lowest in the nation. So I deal with everything you so blindly suggest I don't. I see every imaginable plight that you suggest I don't see. Furthermore I actually deal face to face with people experiencing such plight. I am part of a team that actually helps these people find solutions. I do not judge them in anyway.

One thing can be said for Mexicans trying to cross the border to find a better life. They're not victims. They are doing something like getting off there butts and trekking hundreds and sometimes 1000s of miles. There not sitting there waiting for their next welfare check. The social engineering policies of government fail continuously. Government has thrown billions and billions of dollars trying to reduce poverty and other social ills and the result is always the same. Poverty is a natural state of some and it will always exist to a certain degree no matter what government does. Government is the problem not the solution. People who get handouts will always be dependent. Most will never get out of their situation.

Government over-regulation and over taxation stifles the economic growth and business that can provide the very jobs needed to get people out of poverty and dependency. Trump's economy is proving this. Hundreds of corporations have raised salaries or provided bonuses or are expanding so they can hire more people and this all directly attributable to Trump lowering taxes. So call Trump what you want but he is actually making a measurable difference.

I can't wait for the EPA to deregulate coal either. More jobs.
  • #13,443
  • May 7, 2018 10:16am May 7, 2018 10:16am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} By the way Winston, don't get hurt feelings here in the RH. Things get said. Think like a debater.
Get a grip on yourself. No hurt feelings. I just call like I see 'em. I see the not so subtle soft bigotry that occurs in this thread (white, six figure income, etc. etc.). You should take your own advice about "thinking like a debater". No contest.
  • #13,444
  • May 7, 2018 11:22am May 7, 2018 11:22am
Quoting Winston Reed
The US is the safest place on this earth.
Please can you clarify this. Do you mean safest as in least likely to die from violent crime and terrorism, from getting raped and mugged or safest from dying of lifestyle diseases like CV disease and cancer? Can you provide proof, preferably with statistics? I am not disputing your claim; however we do expect to see evidence when you make such a statement.

For the record, unless you live in a war zone or in the third world, you are much more likely to be killed by a lifestyle disease than by violent means. Just to get some perspective.
  • #13,445
  • May 7, 2018 12:06pm May 7, 2018 12:06pm
Quoting jmn5611
Hey, I am a Yank and she is right about the ridiculous leeway the FDA gives Big Food. It's crazy. It is almost impossible for us to eat well here unless you grow your own stuff or have fairly deep pockets. You are an NP so you make six figures. Think about the guy who makes a median salary. They will not be shopping at whole foods. Why does our government not protect the little guy?
Because the food and pharma industries work together. One makes people ill, the other "fixes" it. More profit. More globalist control. And you call that freedom. No freedom for the little guy.
  • #13,446
  • May 7, 2018 3:12pm May 7, 2018 3:12pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Please can you clarify this. Do you mean safest as in least likely to die from violent crime and terrorism, from getting raped and mugged or safest from dying of lifestyle diseases like CV disease and cancer? Can you provide proof, preferably with statistics? I am not disputing your claim; however we do expect to see evidence when you make such a statement. For the record, unless you live in a war zone or in the third world, you are much more likely to be killed by a lifestyle disease than by violent means. Just to get some perspective.
My comment about safety was a sarcastic response to your sarcastic response about seeking a safety zone. But for many reasons I feel I live in the safest country in the world. My OPINION. I love how you conveniently play the "fact card" when its convenient yet you routinely make statements not based in fact. Again my favorite one is giving blood reduces heart disease and strokes by 80%. Still haven't fessed up to that one Jen.
  • #13,447
  • May 7, 2018 3:13pm May 7, 2018 3:13pm
It's not that hard to get good food in the states. Organic food has become somewhat mainstream and is readily available. Most people are either unaware of the potential danger of the crap food, or just don't care.
  • #13,448
  • May 7, 2018 3:42pm May 7, 2018 3:42pm
Quoting Pipfu
It's not that hard to get good food in the states. Organic food has become somewhat mainstream and is readily available. Most people are either unaware of the potential danger of the crap food, or just don't care.
Agreed. Any simpleton with an iPhone could easily find healthy food choices whether from a restaurant or grocery store.
  • #13,449
  • May 7, 2018 3:48pm May 7, 2018 3:48pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} Because the food and pharma industries work together. One makes people ill, the other "fixes" it. More profit. More globalist control. And you call that freedom. No freedom for the little guy.
Conspiracy theory BS at it's best. Facts???
  • #13,450
  • May 7, 2018 4:12pm May 7, 2018 4:12pm
Quoting Ross88
{quote} powerful input as always
Why is this powerful?
  • #13,451
  • May 7, 2018 10:02pm May 7, 2018 10:02pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Why is this powerful?
It's called humour. Quite a clever comment really.
  • #13,452
  • Edited 10:49pm May 7, 2018 10:06pm | Edited 10:49pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Conspiracy theory BS at it's best. Facts???
Believe what you want. Your people are hooked on "food" and drugs. You have the worst life expectancy in the developed world. Don't believe there is a connection then.

You don't have a universal healthcare. Your government allows so many additives that other countries ban. Your government doesn't have to pick up the pieces. No coincidence then.
  • #13,453
  • May 7, 2018 10:15pm May 7, 2018 10:15pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} My comment about safety was a sarcastic response to your sarcastic response about seeking a safety zone. But for many reasons I feel I live in the safest country in the world. My OPINION. I love how you conveniently play the "fact card" when its convenient yet you routinely make statements not based in fact. Again my favorite one is giving blood reduces heart disease and strokes by 80%. Still haven't fessed up to that one Jen.
About the giving blood bit - I said "probably." Not fact. Again believe what you want. It was something I read and it seemed to make sense to me, that's all. I'm not the one who's had 2 heart attacks.

"Safe space" means heading somewhere where you won't hear facts that could offend you, not safe from physical harm. It's a snowflake thing.

You feel safe in your country. Good for you. I note the word "feel."
  • #13,454
  • May 7, 2018 10:27pm May 7, 2018 10:27pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Agreed. Any simpleton with an iPhone could easily find healthy food choices whether from a restaurant or grocery store.
Thank you. Why couldn't you tell me that in the first place when I asked? There were no apps for that sort of thing when I was last in the US.
  • #13,455
  • May 7, 2018 10:30pm May 7, 2018 10:30pm
Quoting Pipfu
It's not that hard to get good food in the states. Organic food has become somewhat mainstream and is readily available. Most people are either unaware of the potential danger of the crap food, or just don't care.
Don't you think though, that the government should have some responsibility for these people?
  • #13,456
  • May 7, 2018 10:36pm May 7, 2018 10:36pm
Quoting jen101
{quote} What percentage of the GDP is the EU fee? What should it be? Is there a fixed percentage or do they just charge us what they like to balance their books? I think it is too rudimentary to assume 20%. VAT has 2 bands and many things are VAT exempt. What is the duty on fuel? About 80%? Corporation tax is now 19%, was 20% for all. But how about PAYE? That has numerous bands and it would be too complicated to work out a mean. The top 1% of taxpayers pay 27% of all income tax and you can be sure that's a lot more than 20%. You may find that the...
I was just trying to do a rudimentary calculation focused on tax related to trade, for the reason that so many Europhiles are fixated on the trade that we do with the EU. So that is why my focus was on corpoartion tax, as this is only paid on profits related to goods sold. So by my calculation, the UK's net EU fee, barely covers the trade we conduct with the EU in terms of tax collected on that trade
  • #13,457
  • May 7, 2018 10:50pm May 7, 2018 10:50pm
Quoting Devauxt
{quote} I was just trying to do a rudimentary calculation focused on tax related to trade, for the reason that so many Europhiles are fixated on the trade that we do with the EU. So that is why my focus was on corpoartion tax, as this is only paid on profits related to goods sold. So by my calculation, the UK's net EU fee, barely covers the trade we conduct with the EU in terms of tax collected on that trade
Ahh. I think I see what you're getting at.
  • #13,458
  • May 7, 2018 11:58pm May 7, 2018 11:58pm
Quoting Winston Reed
{quote} Why is this powerful?

I think he is being sarcastic!
  • #13,459
  • May 8, 2018 12:02am May 8, 2018 12:02am
Quoting jmn5611
{quote} {quote} Blah, blah, and more blah? None of these things had an impact on American blacks? This is just denial. Again, your problem with me is that I am not ethnocentric, nor will I ever be. There is one race, the human race.
Irrelevant, as to what this has to do with you asserting why one would not be able to interpret what Kanye said! Again you are avoiding directly answering the question by conflating the issue as you so often do or by repeating Democratic propaganda for the grievance industry by promoting victim hood! The latter symptom had far more impact on African Americans than anything else prior, ignoring this is closer to being in denial than anything else.
  • #13,460
  • May 8, 2018 12:06am May 8, 2018 12:06am
Quoting jen101
{quote} Thank you. Why couldn't you tell me that in the first place when I asked? There were no apps for that sort of thing when I was last in the US.

Well depending how long ago that was, a lot has changed in the US, but simple searches before going out to eat also is helpful. For me personally I never found it a problem to eat healthy when dining out, and that was 20 years ago, so I can only imagine now it has gotten even more better with health issues being prevalent in the consciousness of societal trends particular in the younger generation.
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